WEAKEST CLASS IN PVP?

Cinbri

TEMPLAR

oren74 wrote: »

A good DPS Templar build is the #1 solo build in PvP atm.

I consider it as a trolling.

Ashamray

TEMPLAR

So Templar is the weakest class, judging by this topic =\

What can I say? My main is a templar, destrostaff, light armor. It is hard for me to play 1x1 against all, but I can kill practically everyone spec. The hardest are Nightblades, especially stamina based because I have protection against spell damage but don't withstand physical one when it go with Fear. Fear is awfull. Even perma-wings of DK do not annoy like fear.
And the easiest for me as a templar is... another templar.

pokinatchapunx

TEMPLAR

Ashamray wrote: »

So Templar is the weakest class, judging by this topic =\

What can I say? My main is a templar, destrostaff, light armor. It is hard for me to play 1x1 against all, but I can kill practically everyone spec. The hardest are Nightblades, especially stamina based because I have protection against spell damage but don't withstand physical one when it go with Fear. Fear is awfull. Even perma-wings of DK do not annoy like fear.
And the easiest for me as a templar is... another templar.

I am new to the game but judging from what I have read, it seems like every class/build has a weakness. Personally I think that is a good balancing point. We'll see how I feel about it once I get to play real PvP.

But yeah, I can see why templar is the weakest PvP class. It is arguably the strongest PvE class though.

FPS-Art1st

TEMPLAR

I've spend a day holding duels with my guild on the PTS. I was the only templar.

Whilst the Melee Stamina build idea's are cool, The skills themselves and all the bugs and stuff make them whole-fully inadequate to measure up against say a DK or Sorc.
The biggest problems I had were:

- Insufficient Damage output
- No spamable CC (like the DK's knockdown) (nor a spell as Irritating for people as sorc mines)
- No useful self heal (just try to heal yourself when under heavy attack in a duel)
- Damage Aborbing shields do not even begin to compare with sorc & dk dmg mitigation.
- Melee weapons are a joke

My guild tried everything we could think off, from going medium armor to trading any and all health for more stamina.
Thing is, Stamina based Melee Templars just do not work at this moment.

I'm turning mine into a priest. I feel good for magica related tasks like buffing, healing and perhaps some destro staff but that is about it. I look forward to the day that it gets fixed though, I really loved playing templar when the game released. Now I just wonder why the hell I didn't make a sorcerer...

Rhakon

TEMPLAR

Templars, has no cc and no escape and bad ultimates and passives

The only things that where strong was heal and blazing shield(based of hp...), all was nerfed.

dmg skills are slow projectils or cc immunity granting or channeled skills.

no root, no usefull stun, no direct dmg skills, useless shield and no escape plan.

doomed to heal in groups.


sorc has boltescape and 100% shield,direct curse...
nightblade has fear and cloak good dmg skills..
DK has reflect and root unblockable stun...
All have better ultimates.

anyone can see what a templars have? beside noob-beam.

Tankqull

TEMPLAR

magica templar trying to be a DD.
beside that all stamina specs and magica sorcs are prety much equal with a slight advantage for stam nbs.

Dredlord

TEMPLAR

Rhakon wrote: »

Templars, has no cc and no escape and bad ultimates and passives

The only things that where strong was heal and blazing shield(based of hp...), all was nerfed.

dmg skills are slow projectils or cc immunity granting or channeled skills.

no root, no usefull stun, no direct dmg skills, useless shield and no escape plan.

doomed to heal in groups.


sorc has boltescape and 100% shield,direct curse...
nightblade has fear and cloak good dmg skills..
DK has reflect and root unblockable stun...
All have better ultimates.

anyone can see what a templars have? beside noob-beam.

quoted for truth, this is the core of it all, of course much more can be said but whats the point when the devs seem so utterly clueless to the situation.

Will Zos leave the templar class an utter joke for console release? my bet is yes...

Lyzaaa

TEMPLAR

anyone voting for NB just... instant facepalm

Ace_SiN

DRAGONKNIGHT

Please buff DK

Mephiston87

TEMPLAR

Well this is a steamroll vote, templars skill tree's are lacking:

Escape mechanism
Good form of in combat resource regeneration
Good form of mobile attack
Good form of CC

basically every attack is a standing still or moving very slow attack(channeled/cast time) vamps bane/charge/throw spear etc being the exception(low damage). So they'r not a very mobile class, but that lack of mobility gets worse when they have next to no legitimate CC, only a knock down and a slow(aedric spear/vamps bane). Then when they get in trouble they cant tough it out like a DK or TP away like a mage or vanish like a night blade. They stand there and die.

I in no way am expecting them to get all of this, however one or 2 of that list would help to bring them up to par with other classes.

Kypho

NIGHTBLADE

how can be templar the weakest? good templar does lot dmg with jesus beam after 50% (lawl really... not 25 or 30....) health.

But i think OPcerers are the weakest class, they cry lot about snipe, and how low the 13k+fagment dmg, 9k curse, etc... they need a serious buff to class shield, and should just insta kill anyone with an attack. 2 or 3 is too much, and 20 streak is not enough eighter. they shall move with streak without any cost. Seriously. VOTE SORC!!!

technohic

TEMPLAR

Templar OP. They just heal through everything and Jesus Beam me to death. Can't dodge roll out of it so my 2500 stam regen does nothing and mah 1600 weapon damage can't kills them with all Dat heals. Nerf ploX.

Lesspa

DRAGONKNIGHT

Clearly, not enough temps are using Rad Destro...

Lava_Croft

Thinking about it, the weakest class in the game might actually be the Sorcerer, but purely because Stamina Sorcerers are so ***. No other type of build is as weak as a Stamina Sorcerer.

Soris

TEMPLAR

Stamina sorcerers should stop calling themselves Sorcerer

tplink3r1

TEMPLAR

Magicka templar.

jelliedsoup

TEMPLAR

jesus beam killed me 8 times out of my first 9 deaths laay night.

This button is the i win button.

I'm not convinced that temps are that bad. One of the strongest toons i know is a temp.

Nbs without vigour go down super quick.

earth_angel

TEMPLAR

jelliedsoup wrote: »

jesus beam killed me 8 times out of my first 9 deaths laay night.

This button is the i win button.

I'm not convinced that temps are that bad. One of the strongest toons i know is a temp.

Nbs without vigour go down super quick.

Was it solo play or keep battle ?

In keep battle, ranged templars are actually very good as there are many low health player and lots of people to support. And in x vs x situation, radiant destruction is indeed very strong (I would say as strong as lethal arrow) because the templar can use chaos to hide.

In solo play the easiest target I can find are still magicka templars. by far. I don't even remember the last time a templar killed me in 1 vs 1. But YMMV. Anyway in 1 vs 1 you can counter radiant destruction so easily it becomes useless. add to that a shield that is weak, bugged skills. and abilities that are slow and subject to a global cooldown. They will probably end up spamming puncturing strikes and you can be prepared for that (puncturing strike is channeled and you can dodge through the player to avoid all damage).

Vilestride

DRAGONKNIGHT

I Voted DK simply because as a temp they have the most trouble killing me. This being said I I dont consider any class weaker than others. People are underrating the Templar role IMO, and may just be looking at this from a 1v1 perspective, in which case sure, temp is not as strong. But when it comes to group play bringing down temp heavy groups is a real problem, even for solid Single target based groups and more so for AoE. Healers seem to be a dying breed and its probably because simply put its a little more boring and it limits your ability to play solo. I am not against classes being oriented towards particular roles, infact I think its how it should be, otherwise why have classes at all, but IMO temp could use more utility in the current meta, IMO I think they exchange of Blinding flashes for RD was a huge loss, but perhaps that was the point. with all the stam build running around atm, I would love to be able to hide my light Armour covered body behind Blazing shield and 50% miss chance while keeping my group alive.

earth_angel

TEMPLAR

Giahh wrote: »

I Voted DK simply because as a temp they have the most trouble killing me. This being said I I dont consider any class weaker than others. People are underrating the Templar role IMO, and may just be looking at this from a 1v1 perspective, in which case sure, temp is not as strong. But when it comes to group play bringing down temp heavy groups is a real problem, even for solid Single target based groups and more so for AoE. Healers seem to be a dying breed and its probably because simply put its a little more boring and it limits your ability to play solo. I am not against classes being oriented towards particular roles, infact I think its how it should be, otherwise why have classes at all, but IMO temp could use more utility in the current meta, IMO I think they exchange of Blinding flashes for RD was a huge loss, but perhaps that was the point. with all the stam build running around atm, I would love to be able to hide my light Armour covered body behind Blazing shield and 50% miss chance while keeping my group alive.

Yes the miss chance was nice. But Radiant destruction is there to stay. Probably in a sooned to be nerfed-to-the ground version that will be useless.

As for healer I love the role and I play as soon as I can. But PvP in Eso is not healer friendly :
1) healing potential is nerfed a lot in Cyrodil
2) too much burst damage and too much movements which means that your most efficient healing is one that does not allow you to choose your target.

corx3

.

Soris wrote: »

Stamina sorcerers should stop calling themselves Sorcerer

... Stamperor? Fauxperor? @FENGRUSH?

deepseamk20b14_ESO

NIGHTBLADE

Kidding.

NB's are wicked strong. We have fear which is one of the best CC in the game. We have shadow barrier passive so wearing medium armor feels much better simply because of this. We have 2 of the hardest hitting single target skills in the game. I think radiant destruction is stronger than killers blade at the moment but it IMO the 2nd best execute in the game. It annoys me that all classes have access to a major evasion skill like shuffle, since I feel it should be an NB's "thing" but double take is strong and the speed bonus has saved me countless times, I can also catch sorcs with it who are trying to bolt escape. We have the 2nd best gap closer (I like crit rush the best). Crippling grasp is to me the best non-ult DoT in the game. Shadowy disguise is kind of trash but dark cloak is great. Our class skills synergize well with each other. We have some of the best Ults in the game. Yeah, we lack AoE but our class to me is meant to be single target high DPS. This doesn't mean we are only good 1v1 either, its actually the opposite. NB's are good against multiple targets if played right. Pick your target and bounce between players and disappear until one is dead and repeat, the whole time the enemy is trying to hit you but cannot.

NB, sorc, DK do not need needs or buffs (though shield stacking is annoying some times lol). Temps are good too, if anything maybe increase damage very little. To me, a class with that many defense and self healing options shouldn't be able to simply run through people. That being said I've fought and seen some pretty nasty temps who will laugh at you if you say they need to be buffed.

Fact is, nerfs and buffs are not needed. FIXES are needed. NB skills need to stop being so buggy, like cloak, or fear (when it comes to a bug that makes some people not able to CC break even if they have stamina). Other classes have skills that need fixes as well. It isn't about balancing to me it about the damn annoying bugs that everyone has.

DisgracefulMind

TEMPLAR

Cody wrote: »

They cant play stamina builds worth a crap, and can only play the "eternal kiting build" which even then can be stopped by gap closer users.

they also lack any reliable class based self heals.

I'm shocked that this was your response O:

In my opinion, Templars are the easiest for me to take out. Then can keep healing, but I will burst them eventually, and they probably won't do much damage to me.

FENGRUSH

FENGRUSH has been summoned to this thread.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Thinking about it, the weakest class in the game might actually be the Sorcerer, but purely because Stamina Sorcerers are so ***. No other type of build is as weak as a Stamina Sorcerer.

Despite the lack of advantages offered to stam sorc, FENGRUSH has demonstrated their ability to be viable in PvP.

Soris wrote: »

Stamina sorcerers should stop calling themselves Sorcerer

Sounds like a broad statement made from somebody who needs to be handed builds from better players.

FENGRUSH accepts your apology in advance.

Joy_Division

TEMPLAR

earth_angel wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

jesus beam killed me 8 times out of my first 9 deaths laay night.

This button is the i win button.

I'm not convinced that temps are that bad. One of the strongest toons i know is a temp.

Nbs without vigour go down super quick.

Was it solo play or keep battle ?

In keep battle, ranged templars are actually very good as there are many low health player and lots of people to support. And in x vs x situation, radiant destruction is indeed very strong (I would say as strong as lethal arrow) because the templar can use chaos to hide.

In solo play the easiest target I can find are still magicka templars. by far. I don't even remember the last time a templar killed me in 1 vs 1. But YMMV. Anyway in 1 vs 1 you can counter radiant destruction so easily it becomes useless. add to that a shield that is weak, bugged skills. and abilities that are slow and subject to a global cooldown. They will probably end up spamming puncturing strikes and you can be prepared for that (puncturing strike is channeled and you can dodge through the player to avoid all damage).

Stop making sense! Your ability to consider multiple perspectives will take this forum to a place it has never been...

TheBucket

TEMPLAR

Lhorion wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

With Detection potions in my bag: Nightblade

If temporarily out of Detection potions: Templar

Your detection potions help against perma-dodge? Nice, I want them, too!

NB is not the only class that can dodge roll alot.

No class can perma dodge roll.

jelliedsoup

TEMPLAR

earth_angel wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

jesus beam killed me 8 times out of my first 9 deaths laay night.

This button is the i win button.

I'm not convinced that temps are that bad. One of the strongest toons i know is a temp.

Nbs without vigour go down super quick.

Was it solo play or keep battle ?

In keep battle, ranged templars are actually very good as there are many low health player and lots of people to support. And in x vs x situation, radiant destruction is indeed very strong (I would say as strong as lethal arrow) because the templar can use chaos to hide.

In solo play the easiest target I can find are still magicka templars. by far. I don't even remember the last time a templar killed me in 1 vs 1. But YMMV. Anyway in 1 vs 1 you can counter radiant destruction so easily it becomes useless. add to that a shield that is weak, bugged skills. and abilities that are slow and subject to a global cooldown. They will probably end up spamming puncturing strikes and you can be prepared for that (puncturing strike is channeled and you can dodge through the player to avoid all damage).

lol by the time i respond to it in usually dead. Try dark cloaking on a laggy connection in a fight.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

NIGHTBLADE

TheBucket wrote: »

Lhorion wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

With Detection potions in my bag: Nightblade

If temporarily out of Detection potions: Templar

Your detection potions help against perma-dodge? Nice, I want them, too!

NB is not the only class that can dodge roll alot.

No class can perma dodge roll.

Actually i see a lot of DK's dodging just as much as NB's.

Lava_Croft

Soris wrote: »

Stamina sorcerers should stop calling themselves Sorcerer

FENGRUSH wrote: »

FENGRUSH has been summoned to this thread.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Thinking about it, the weakest class in the game might actually be the Sorcerer, but purely because Stamina Sorcerers are so ***. No other type of build is as weak as a Stamina Sorcerer.

Despite the lack of advantages offered to stam sorc, FENGRUSH has demonstrated their ability to be viable in PvP.

It can be viable while also being the weakest build.

BrassRazoo

SORCERER

Sorcerer wearing light armour with most / all points in Magic is the weakest correct?