Heavy Armor still to weak in PvP?

ChefZero

Are there any viable Heavy-Armor-Builds out there?

Soulac

Yes, there´re are viable heavy armor builds.
No, it´s not weak.

Domander

I would have been a little more interested in a poll about light armor.

olsborg

No

Heavy armor is far from weak

Light armor is utterly *** defencively, might aswell be naked.

Draxys

This is a strange poll. Do I think it's too weak? Not sure. I think it could either mitigate a little more physical damage or stamina damage output needs to be toned back a bit (probably both). Do I think there are viable heavy builds? Absolutely.

FireCowCommando

No

yeah... a whole suit of LA even if you decided to do reinforced doesnt even give you as much physical resistance as any major defense buff (such as immoveable). I agree with Domander on this one.

Heavy armor builds are very viable, just not a large range of styles for defense builds
Mega tank = Zero dmg output
Mid range tank = Mid range dmg
Full stam dmg = Poor tank

Doesnt really matter LA/MED/HEAVY
-unless you are running a tank build with the right supporting sets, your armor counts for little.

Soris

Yes

It is weak because currently;

Offence > Defence
Burst > Sustained dps
Dodge roll > Block

If you consider actual nerfs to the heavy armor passives&actives and the new meta changes, it was much more strong before 1.6.

Xsorus

Yes

Soris wrote: »

It is weak because currently;

Offence > Defence
Burst > Sustained dps
Dodge roll > Block

If you consider actual nerfs to the heavy armor passives&actives and the new meta changes, it was much more strong before 1.6.

This

That said..you can compete with Heavy Armor..its just everything else is better.

eliisra

Yes

It's only the few rare guys still using a magicka build, that equips 2 or 5 heavy. No other choice, after the light gimp. Some use a piece for more Undaunted passives to. So no I wouldn't say that heavy armor is worth creating a build around, considering that.

You cant really tank in PvP to begin with in 1.6.5, stuff hits to hard including siege. Avoiding dmg is the way to go and heavy has no passives for that. Bursting and being offensive is the way to go, heavy has no passives for that either.

Medium has higher survivability from dodge rolls, more mobility, more burst, more sustained and you get 3/4 of heavy armor ratings.

exiledtyrant

Yes

The issue is going to be what are heavy armor users going to do when more people start get their 100 penetration star in the mage constellations. All that armor isn't going to mean anything when 59% physical penetration or 70% destro stafff penetration rips through. Even more so with flat reductions taking heavy to almost light armor levels.

noobfury

Yes

I agree with what Soris said Offense > Defense.

It's not weak for what it is , it's just that what it is does and what it should do are two different things.

It can't do what it should based on current imbalances between offense and defense.

I run full heavy and have the entire line maxed .

ToRelax

No

Now if you put it that way you are right to a degree - however, the low TTK is affekting everyone, not just heavy armor users. It is also true that you can avoid a lot of damage with medium armor (dodge rolls) or as a magicka Sorc/NB, maybe vamp with Mistform. However, that does not replace a tank for a small group that intends to take on larger numbers if you also have even one less mobile healer/damage dealer.

Edit: To make that one clear, I do not think heavy needs a buff or something. The skill line is fine.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Yes

Heavy armor is good now very much is...... But shield stacking >>> armor. Doge roll >>> blocking. and whats the point of high armor and spell res if the nirnhoned gets past like 30% (or what ever it is) of spell res stacked with the champion skills and what ever else you got or same with armor piercing.

So heavy armor is good but needs to be reworked to counter LA users and magic and MA users and armor piercing skills. But not make it like the only way to survive in pvp just with HA your getting armor spell res and health that's it with LA you get a giant boost to magical skills and MA is making stam build so powerful and with PvP. Like how it is now it's basicly DPS >>>>> tanking.

So just a little more boost and then heavy armor should be a good defence but you have to give up that boost to magical skills or stamina skills for it though as you give up your defence for LA and MA. Cause again right now as long as you can shield stack or dodge roll you can last longer than some one in full heavy armor blocking with say 23,000 armor and spell res.

noobfury

Yes

This is a valid point and may actually be viable to a certain degree in relation to the argument about certain op magic using classes .

If HA users are willing to give up the benefits of MA and LA then an increase in compensation for that could be the missing link needed to create much needed balance.

The HA approach theoretically should be to outlast your opponent which isn't possible in the current environment. Yet at the same time MA and LA are effective at both evasion and offensive skill benefits.

I gave up the benefits of MA and LA in order to apply this strategy and it's the hardest play style to pull off as of now because the reward for playing heavy isn't in line with the other two.

Spell resistance and Health need to be boosted to compete the circle between classes.

ChefZero

Yes

Other thing is, that many heavy dropsets are max V12/13. That's a bit annoying.

Bashev

Yes

Another fact is that a light armor user has better defense against siege weapons because of the damage shields. Which is so wrong.
1) Armor/Spell resists should mitigate siege damage (the highest stat)
or
2) Siege should bypass damage shields

Cinbri

No

Heavy armor is strong enough. Personally can't imagine my templar in 1.6 in light armor.

ToRelax

No

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Heavy armor is good now very much is...... But shield stacking >>> armor. Doge roll >>> blocking. and whats the point of high armor and spell res if the nirnhoned gets past like 30% (or what ever it is) of spell res stacked with the champion skills and what ever else you got or same with armor piercing.

So heavy armor is good but needs to be reworked to counter LA users and magic and MA users and armor piercing skills. But not make it like the only way to survive in pvp just with HA your getting armor spell res and health that's it with LA you get a giant boost to magical skills and MA is making stam build so powerful and with PvP. Like how it is now it's basicly DPS >>>>> tanking.

So just a little more boost and then heavy armor should be a good defence but you have to give up that boost to magical skills or stamina skills for it though as you give up your defence for LA and MA. Cause again right now as long as you can shield stack or dodge roll you can last longer than some one in full heavy armor blocking with say 23,000 armor and spell res.

The high damage, low health pools, that you can block so many more things, the near infinite resources, that is what makes tanking difficult. Not heavy armor. Heavy armor is fine. It gives tons of armor and spell resist, constitution passive, max health, block cost reduction and healing received.

eventide03b14a_ESO

What is the purpose of this poll? I feel like the OP would have done better to ask for comments or links to youtube videos with good Heavy Armor builds. This feels a lot more like an inflammatory thread meant to incite a conflict.

Sacadon

Bashev wrote: »

Another fact is that a light armor user has better defense against siege weapons because of the damage shields. Which is so wrong.
1) Armor/Spell resists should mitigate siege damage (the highest stat)
or
2) Siege should bypass damage shields

Siege does bypass most damage shields. The DOT is what hurts and can be cleansed off.

Sacadon

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

What is the purpose of this poll? I feel like the OP would have done better to ask for comments or links to youtube videos with good Heavy Armor builds. This feels a lot more like an inflammatory thread meant to incite a conflict.

quite possibly... It is interesting how split the responses are though.

skarvika

Yes

I would never consider using more than 2 heavy. Even for Dragonknights, medium is best due to the stamina/damage buffs it gives.

Rohaus

Yes

I have been rolling 5 pieces of HA for a couple weeks now. I very much enjoy it as I am much tankier than when I was full Medium armor. However, I must say that stam builds are still doing more damage to me than I think should be. When I die, it is usually stam abilities that killed me... magicka damage is weak by comparison... thanks to a couple pieces of Nirn and of course 5 pieces HA.

Roll dodging with 7 pieces of Medium is probably the best defensive way to get in and out of battle. With a 5 piece set of Air, you not only get incredible stam sustain but you also get a nice damage booster.

Ezareth

No

I think Medium Armor is far and above the best Armor type right now given the supremacy of stamina builds, followed by Heavy and then light.

I don't think heavy is bad at all, and in the world of nearly limitless resources that is 1.6 it offers some pretty powerful protection for a fair tradeoff.

Medium armor on the other hand has no real downside. It has powerful offensive bonuses, defensive bonuses and 3/4 the passive protection of Heavy armor. What isn't there to like?

Warraxx

Rohaus wrote: »

...Roll dodging with 7 pieces of Medium is probably the best defensive way to get in and out of battle. With a 5 piece set of Air, you not only get incredible stam sustain but you also get a nice damage booster.

Bolt Escape is the best followed by mist form spam. 3rd spot would be cloak/invis pot/rapids. I would put dodge-roll spam a distant 4th on the list.

Ezareth

No

Warraxx wrote: »

Rohaus wrote: »

...Roll dodging with 7 pieces of Medium is probably the best defensive way to get in and out of battle. With a 5 piece set of Air, you not only get incredible stam sustain but you also get a nice damage booster.

Bolt Escape is the best followed by mist form spam. 3rd spot would be cloak/invis pot/rapids. I would put dodge-roll spam a distant 4th on the list.

As a 1vXer it isn't the best escape, but if you're within 100 yards of a friendly zerg/keep walls you're pretty much guaranteed to escape with roll dodge.

Xsorus

Yes

Ezareth wrote: »

Warraxx wrote: »

Rohaus wrote: »

...Roll dodging with 7 pieces of Medium is probably the best defensive way to get in and out of battle. With a 5 piece set of Air, you not only get incredible stam sustain but you also get a nice damage booster.

Bolt Escape is the best followed by mist form spam. 3rd spot would be cloak/invis pot/rapids. I would put dodge-roll spam a distant 4th on the list.

As a 1vXer it isn't the best escape, but if you're within 100 yards of a friendly zerg/keep walls you're pretty much guaranteed to escape with roll dodge.

Unless ya know...templars are near by...

lonewolf0052

No

I personally don't think so?
Are you talking about full heavy?
Just the stats from the skills etc?

Ezareth

No

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Warraxx wrote: »

Rohaus wrote: »

...Roll dodging with 7 pieces of Medium is probably the best defensive way to get in and out of battle. With a 5 piece set of Air, you not only get incredible stam sustain but you also get a nice damage booster.

Bolt Escape is the best followed by mist form spam. 3rd spot would be cloak/invis pot/rapids. I would put dodge-roll spam a distant 4th on the list.

As a 1vXer it isn't the best escape, but if you're within 100 yards of a friendly zerg/keep walls you're pretty much guaranteed to escape with roll dodge.

Unless ya know...templars are near by...

Because there are no counters to Beam....and you can't roll out of range or LoS or a host of other things while being beamed.

ToRelax

No

Ezareth wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Warraxx wrote: »

Rohaus wrote: »

...Roll dodging with 7 pieces of Medium is probably the best defensive way to get in and out of battle. With a 5 piece set of Air, you not only get incredible stam sustain but you also get a nice damage booster.

Bolt Escape is the best followed by mist form spam. 3rd spot would be cloak/invis pot/rapids. I would put dodge-roll spam a distant 4th on the list.

As a 1vXer it isn't the best escape, but if you're within 100 yards of a friendly zerg/keep walls you're pretty much guaranteed to escape with roll dodge.

Unless ya know...templars are near by...

Because there are no counters to Beam....and you can't roll out of range or LoS or a host of other things while being beamed.

It's hard enough to escape beams as a Sorc sometimes. When you are relying on dodge rolls, so the enemy has an easier time keeping up with you, templars can give you a hard time I am sure.

Bashev

Yes

Sacadon wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Another fact is that a light armor user has better defense against siege weapons because of the damage shields. Which is so wrong.
1) Armor/Spell resists should mitigate siege damage (the highest stat)
or
2) Siege should bypass damage shields

Siege does bypass most damage shields. The DOT is what hurts and can be cleansed off.

It does not bypass most. Probably some like bone shield which is bugged and is only for physical damage or annulment which only for magicka damage. Just use an addon and fire on a group of Sorcs. You will see only absorbed damage by their shields.