Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
EJ forums have always been my goto for WoW information. Everyone crazed over Noxxic but I always thought they were the Walmart Supercenter for information.
In theory every gap closer is considered as BE counter. In practice it is not and if you don't see it you should try to play any other class and try to counter a BE sors by yourself.Bolt escape is countered by every single gap closer and cc in the game. *** you already have on your bar anyway. I have to slot stuff I wouldnt normally use to find a dark cloak spamming NB. MAYBE. You have no argument.Dark cloak is easily countered by detection potions. Roll dodge is countered by CC timing, but I can admit that it is annoying and I will be happy if it is nerfed a little bit too.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
And how is that a Sorc problem again? Roll dodging or Dark Cloak don't just cut down your regen, do they?I read that the regen penalty is applied only when you are out of combat. I will test it tonight with my vr1 sors.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
Free bolt escape. Lol. Kinda like how you shadow cloak and wait 10 seconds. Funny right?
There IS a regen penalty, its just not in the tooltip anymore. You should really get your facts straight.
It is an out of combat penalty.
Wait. The infinite resources are not so big problem as the BE is. In order to prevent the Sors to spam this ability their resources should be reduced while they spam it. If you don't spam BE you will have the infinite resources.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
No. Stop foaming at the mouth about Sorcs for one freaking minute and look at the big picture. Sorcs have no better efficiency options than any other class. *Every* class in the game right now can build for unlimited resources. It has nothing to do with Sorcs.
@Ezareth I don't want to complain, and I won't, because I've given up the argument. But.
Exhibit A = DC Sorcerer, can't remember his name.
I encountered him fighting a group of EP, so I killed the EP first, during the fighting, he was bolting around, firing Mage's Wrat, Curse, typical fighting, once all the EP were dead, I turned to said Sorcerer, andbefore I could even get a crushing shock off what I saw in the distance was 6 balls of light.
He could fight that long and still maintain a high enough magicka pool, through pots or not, to bolt 6 times in a row.
That's broken mechanics in my honest opinion, not that I cared at that point in time during hte game, but you just shouldn't be able to do that so easily, NB cloaks have a ton of counters, dodge roll has counters, the only counter to BoL is to spam a gap closer and pray to jeebus he doesn't drag you so far out from the group then turn around and wreck face.
I do two things when I encounter Sorcerers running around in Cyrodiil now.
Completely ignore them.
Do what they do, turtle behind shields, and walk back to my Keep/Outpost/Resource, secretly laughing at their pitiful damage output.
Says the forum blade who can enter and exit combat AT WILL. There is no 50% cost increase for Shadow Cloak. There is no HALVIG of your out of combat regen either. You can spam that *** and teleport around like a goddamned eso god. Cry me a river.
In theory every gap closer is considered as BE counter. In practice it is not and if you don't see it you should try to play any other class and try to counter a BE sors by yourself.Bolt escape is countered by every single gap closer and cc in the game. *** you already have on your bar anyway. I have to slot stuff I wouldnt normally use to find a dark cloak spamming NB. MAYBE. You have no argument.Dark cloak is easily countered by detection potions. Roll dodge is countered by CC timing, but I can admit that it is annoying and I will be happy if it is nerfed a little bit too.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
And how is that a Sorc problem again? Roll dodging or Dark Cloak don't just cut down your regen, do they?I read that the regen penalty is applied only when you are out of combat. I will test it tonight with my vr1 sors.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
Free bolt escape. Lol. Kinda like how you shadow cloak and wait 10 seconds. Funny right?
There IS a regen penalty, its just not in the tooltip anymore. You should really get your facts straight.
It is an out of combat penalty.
If the regen penalty is when you are out of combat why you bother to mention it. It is irrelevant in PvP.Wait. The infinite resources are not so big problem as the BE is. In order to prevent the Sors to spam this ability their resources should be reduced while they spam it. If you don't spam BE you will have the infinite resources.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
No. Stop foaming at the mouth about Sorcs for one freaking minute and look at the big picture. Sorcs have no better efficiency options than any other class. *Every* class in the game right now can build for unlimited resources. It has nothing to do with Sorcs.
Fix the BE spam and lets see how many shields Sors can stack. I bet if BE is nerfed that everybody will realize that the shields are not the problem and the problem is BE.
Dont get me wrong. I wrote that the infinite resources (only one pool) is not the reason that sors are OP. The reason is BE.In theory every gap closer is considered as BE counter. In practice it is not and if you don't see it you should try to play any other class and try to counter a BE sors by yourself.Bolt escape is countered by every single gap closer and cc in the game. *** you already have on your bar anyway. I have to slot stuff I wouldnt normally use to find a dark cloak spamming NB. MAYBE. You have no argument.Dark cloak is easily countered by detection potions. Roll dodge is countered by CC timing, but I can admit that it is annoying and I will be happy if it is nerfed a little bit too.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
And how is that a Sorc problem again? Roll dodging or Dark Cloak don't just cut down your regen, do they?I read that the regen penalty is applied only when you are out of combat. I will test it tonight with my vr1 sors.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
Free bolt escape. Lol. Kinda like how you shadow cloak and wait 10 seconds. Funny right?
There IS a regen penalty, its just not in the tooltip anymore. You should really get your facts straight.
It is an out of combat penalty.
If the regen penalty is when you are out of combat why you bother to mention it. It is irrelevant in PvP.Wait. The infinite resources are not so big problem as the BE is. In order to prevent the Sors to spam this ability their resources should be reduced while they spam it. If you don't spam BE you will have the infinite resources.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
No. Stop foaming at the mouth about Sorcs for one freaking minute and look at the big picture. Sorcs have no better efficiency options than any other class. *Every* class in the game right now can build for unlimited resources. It has nothing to do with Sorcs.
Fix the BE spam and lets see how many shields Sors can stack. I bet if BE is nerfed that everybody will realize that the shields are not the problem and the problem is BE.
Why do you have a problem with the spammability of Bolt Escape but besides that infinite resources are ok? I mean, in that case we'll never be able to agree on this topic, but history tells us, you think like ZOS.
How is that any different than someone using roll dodge dozens of times? It's possible with the recent popularity of regen builds. There are reflects from shields and RS, gap closers, fears, high damage spells like radiant destruction and many other things to use again sorcerers. It should be embarrassing to come onto the forums and complain that you can't manage to kill a single player with a group. Certainly not something I would admit to.@Ezareth I don't want to complain, and I won't, because I've given up the argument. But.
Exhibit A = DC Sorcerer, can't remember his name.
I encountered him fighting a group of EP, so I killed the EP first, during the fighting, he was bolting around, firing Mage's Wrat, Curse, typical fighting, once all the EP were dead, I turned to said Sorcerer, andbefore I could even get a crushing shock off what I saw in the distance was 6 balls of light.
He could fight that long and still maintain a high enough magicka pool, through pots or not, to bolt 6 times in a row.
That's broken mechanics in my honest opinion, not that I cared at that point in time during hte game, but you just shouldn't be able to do that so easily, NB cloaks have a ton of counters, dodge roll has counters, the only counter to BoL is to spam a gap closer and pray to jeebus he doesn't drag you so far out from the group then turn around and wreck face.
I do two things when I encounter Sorcerers running around in Cyrodiil now.
Completely ignore them.
Do what they do, turtle behind shields, and walk back to my Keep/Outpost/Resource, secretly laughing at their pitiful damage output.
It's already an incredible drain on magicka. Anyone who plays a sorc knows this and they plan accordingly. Those that are complaining about it just don't get what's involved in playing one. But I suspect it doesn't matter, you are not going to be happy till it has a 5 minute cooldown.In theory every gap closer is considered as BE counter. In practice it is not and if you don't see it you should try to play any other class and try to counter a BE sors by yourself.Bolt escape is countered by every single gap closer and cc in the game. *** you already have on your bar anyway. I have to slot stuff I wouldnt normally use to find a dark cloak spamming NB. MAYBE. You have no argument.Dark cloak is easily countered by detection potions. Roll dodge is countered by CC timing, but I can admit that it is annoying and I will be happy if it is nerfed a little bit too.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
And how is that a Sorc problem again? Roll dodging or Dark Cloak don't just cut down your regen, do they?I read that the regen penalty is applied only when you are out of combat. I will test it tonight with my vr1 sors.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
Free bolt escape. Lol. Kinda like how you shadow cloak and wait 10 seconds. Funny right?
There IS a regen penalty, its just not in the tooltip anymore. You should really get your facts straight.
It is an out of combat penalty.
If the regen penalty is when you are out of combat why you bother to mention it. It is irrelevant in PvP.Wait. The infinite resources are not so big problem as the BE is. In order to prevent the Sors to spam this ability their resources should be reduced while they spam it. If you don't spam BE you will have the infinite resources.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
No. Stop foaming at the mouth about Sorcs for one freaking minute and look at the big picture. Sorcs have no better efficiency options than any other class. *Every* class in the game right now can build for unlimited resources. It has nothing to do with Sorcs.
Fix the BE spam and lets see how many shields Sors can stack. I bet if BE is nerfed that everybody will realize that the shields are not the problem and the problem is BE.
Dont get me wrong. I wrote that the infinite resources (only one pool) is not the reason that sors are OP. The reason is BE.In theory every gap closer is considered as BE counter. In practice it is not and if you don't see it you should try to play any other class and try to counter a BE sors by yourself.Bolt escape is countered by every single gap closer and cc in the game. *** you already have on your bar anyway. I have to slot stuff I wouldnt normally use to find a dark cloak spamming NB. MAYBE. You have no argument.Dark cloak is easily countered by detection potions. Roll dodge is countered by CC timing, but I can admit that it is annoying and I will be happy if it is nerfed a little bit too.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
And how is that a Sorc problem again? Roll dodging or Dark Cloak don't just cut down your regen, do they?I read that the regen penalty is applied only when you are out of combat. I will test it tonight with my vr1 sors.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
Free bolt escape. Lol. Kinda like how you shadow cloak and wait 10 seconds. Funny right?
There IS a regen penalty, its just not in the tooltip anymore. You should really get your facts straight.
It is an out of combat penalty.
If the regen penalty is when you are out of combat why you bother to mention it. It is irrelevant in PvP.Wait. The infinite resources are not so big problem as the BE is. In order to prevent the Sors to spam this ability their resources should be reduced while they spam it. If you don't spam BE you will have the infinite resources.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
No. Stop foaming at the mouth about Sorcs for one freaking minute and look at the big picture. Sorcs have no better efficiency options than any other class. *Every* class in the game right now can build for unlimited resources. It has nothing to do with Sorcs.
Fix the BE spam and lets see how many shields Sors can stack. I bet if BE is nerfed that everybody will realize that the shields are not the problem and the problem is BE.
Why do you have a problem with the spammability of Bolt Escape but besides that infinite resources are ok? I mean, in that case we'll never be able to agree on this topic, but history tells us, you think like ZOS.
@Ezareth I don't want to complain, and I won't, because I've given up the argument. But.
Exhibit A = DC Sorcerer, can't remember his name.
I encountered him fighting a group of EP, so I killed the EP first, during the fighting, he was bolting around, firing Mage's Wrat, Curse, typical fighting, once all the EP were dead, I turned to said Sorcerer, andbefore I could even get a crushing shock off what I saw in the distance was 6 balls of light.
He could fight that long and still maintain a high enough magicka pool, through pots or not, to bolt 6 times in a row.
That's broken mechanics in my honest opinion, not that I cared at that point in time during hte game, but you just shouldn't be able to do that so easily, NB cloaks have a ton of counters, dodge roll has counters, the only counter to BoL is to spam a gap closer and pray to jeebus he doesn't drag you so far out from the group then turn around and wreck face.
I do two things when I encounter Sorcerers running around in Cyrodiil now.
Completely ignore them.
Do what they do, turtle behind shields, and walk back to my Keep/Outpost/Resource, secretly laughing at their pitiful damage output.
Says the forum blade who can enter and exit combat AT WILL. There is no 50% cost increase for Shadow Cloak. There is no HALVIG of your out of combat regen either. You can spam that *** and teleport around like a goddamned eso god. Cry me a river.
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In my opinion they broke the game for PvP when they removed softcaps, that kept everyone on equal playing boards, now it's just crazy what people can do if they focus solely on one stat.
Dont get me wrong. I wrote that the infinite resources (only one pool) is not the reason that sors are OP. The reason is BE.In theory every gap closer is considered as BE counter. In practice it is not and if you don't see it you should try to play any other class and try to counter a BE sors by yourself.Bolt escape is countered by every single gap closer and cc in the game. *** you already have on your bar anyway. I have to slot stuff I wouldnt normally use to find a dark cloak spamming NB. MAYBE. You have no argument.Dark cloak is easily countered by detection potions. Roll dodge is countered by CC timing, but I can admit that it is annoying and I will be happy if it is nerfed a little bit too.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
And how is that a Sorc problem again? Roll dodging or Dark Cloak don't just cut down your regen, do they?I read that the regen penalty is applied only when you are out of combat. I will test it tonight with my vr1 sors.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
Free bolt escape. Lol. Kinda like how you shadow cloak and wait 10 seconds. Funny right?
There IS a regen penalty, its just not in the tooltip anymore. You should really get your facts straight.
It is an out of combat penalty.
If the regen penalty is when you are out of combat why you bother to mention it. It is irrelevant in PvP.Wait. The infinite resources are not so big problem as the BE is. In order to prevent the Sors to spam this ability their resources should be reduced while they spam it. If you don't spam BE you will have the infinite resources.Thats why a magica regen penalty is needed too. According to your numbers. It means that you have a free bolt escape every 2 seconds. You can bolt escape 3-4 times in a row. Then you are out of reach and you can recast shields and you wait 10 seconds and you have 15k magica back. Funny right?biggest difference is I'm running around with 3000 magicka regen, otherwise I could only bolt 8 times and 11 times.
No. Stop foaming at the mouth about Sorcs for one freaking minute and look at the big picture. Sorcs have no better efficiency options than any other class. *Every* class in the game right now can build for unlimited resources. It has nothing to do with Sorcs.
Fix the BE spam and lets see how many shields Sors can stack. I bet if BE is nerfed that everybody will realize that the shields are not the problem and the problem is BE.
Why do you have a problem with the spammability of Bolt Escape but besides that infinite resources are ok? I mean, in that case we'll never be able to agree on this topic, but history tells us, you think like ZOS.
How you forum blades can sit there under your shadow cloak and cry about bolt escape is beyond me. Mind blowing!
I tell you what, take away bolt escape and give us shadow cloak. Think about that for a minute. Let it sink in. You'll be BEGGING ZOS to give us bolt escape back. Lol.
xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Anyone who says Gap Closers are a counter to Bolt Escape...Clearly haven't played a class with a Gap Closer yet against a Sorc.