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Magicka based vs stamina based
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k2blader✭✭✭✭✭
WHAT?
I see a bunch of Wrecking Blows, yes.... but majority of deaths in Cyro is still freakin crystal fragment and snipes....
And spell/weapon dmg is NOT an indicator of DPS.
Go check out which skills uses it.
PS: plus magicka dont even need to get close to dish out damage...........
Crystal frags, really? I need to write Zeni about getting mine to proc more. Or maybe I need to be in much larger zergs where I can get lost in the mix enough to hard-cast frags, assuming lag doesn't strike first.
But more seriously, the vast majority of my deaths are from physical damage abilities or bow abilities. It makes sense though in that if I'm using BoL (no, I can't spam it and disappear into the horizon, not built for that) it would be harder for magicka users to kill me. But if I'm not careful to keep out of range and constantly keep shields up, I am dead meat. Some might say, "well that's balanced then," but if they really meant that, then folks would not be calling for nerfs to sorc mitigation and mobility which are essential for effectiveness.
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Vast majority of my deaths in most fights is Radiant Destruction heh
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Domander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not only these things, but at the same time, stamina damage output is way higher. You have to give up quite a bit of regen and max magicka to get 2k+ spell dmg, and I can get to 2k wpn dmg while barely even trying.
WHAT?
I see a bunch of Wrecking Blows, yes.... but majority of deaths in Cyro is still freakin crystal fragment and snipes....
And spell/weapon dmg is NOT an indicator of DPS.
Go check out which skills uses it.
PS: plus magicka dont even need to get close to dish out damage...........
Stamina doesn't need to get close either, and yes, some magicka users do have to get close.
also more magicka spells are close range/melee range than not
PS: I don't think that many players die that much from crystal frags or snipes any more, many have learned to dodge or use one of the many things listed in the OP.0 -
Domander✭✭✭✭✭
✭deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »jelliedsoup wrote: »Just wondering if people realise you just use magicka for skills and stamina uses blocking running dodging and skills?
A stamina build can block/run/dodge a lot more than a magicka build, on top of that stamina weapon abilites have a lower cost.
Magicka builds with full light armor may be hindered by their armor and spell resist rating but all heals and most shields are magicka based. This is how basically all magicka builds survive. Stamina builds generally don't have any heals comparable.
This is not true, there are 2 stamina heals and they are freaking fantastic.
Also, while many heals and shields cost magicka, many do not scale with magicka, which is actually beneficial to being stamina based.Edited by Domander on 18 April 2015 02:000 -
glak✭✭✭
Difficult to interrupt a ranged, channeled beam in the heat of battle. May help to carry one of these ranged interrupts, unless the Templar is using Immovable, Break Free, spamming Healing Springs, or mashing the Meteor button:xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Vast majority of my deaths in most fights is Radiant Destruction heh
2H:
Crit Charge + Bash / Uppercut = Dead Templar
Bow:
Venom Arrow + Snipe = Dead Templar
Scatter Shot
Shield:
Shield Charge
DK:
Petrify
Chains
NB:
*Terror
Agony
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Difficult to interrupt a ranged, channeled beam in the heat of battle. May help to carry one of these ranged interrupts, unless the Templar is using Immovable, Break Free, spamming Healing Springs, or mashing the Meteor button:xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Vast majority of my deaths in most fights is Radiant Destruction heh
2H:
Crit Charge + Bash / Uppercut = Dead Templar
Bow:
Venom Arrow + Snipe = Dead Templar
Scatter Shot
Shield:
Shield Charge
DK:
Petrify
Chains
NB:
*Terror
Agony
Teleport Strike
Virtually everyone of your suggestions is for a 1v1 fight. Radiant destruction is fine in 1v1... When it's not fine is when someone can't do any of those things because they are occupied with someone else
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »
Difficult to interrupt a ranged, channeled beam in the heat of battle. May help to carry one of these ranged interrupts, unless the Templar is using Immovable, Break Free, spamming Healing Springs, or mashing the Meteor button:xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Vast majority of my deaths in most fights is Radiant Destruction heh
2H:
Crit Charge + Bash / Uppercut = Dead Templar
Bow:
Venom Arrow + Snipe = Dead Templar
Scatter Shot
Shield:
Shield Charge
DK:
Petrify
Chains
NB:
*Terror
Agony
Teleport Strike
Virtually everyone of your suggestions is for a 1v1 fight. Radiant destruction is fine in 1v1... When it's not fine is when someone can't do any of those things because they are occupied with someone else
then you are either heavily outnumbered where you deserve to die or you have companies where atleast one should be ranged to handle such a situation or its in the worst case a l2p issue in the case of getting rid of "your" tunnel vision.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »
Difficult to interrupt a ranged, channeled beam in the heat of battle. May help to carry one of these ranged interrupts, unless the Templar is using Immovable, Break Free, spamming Healing Springs, or mashing the Meteor button:xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Vast majority of my deaths in most fights is Radiant Destruction heh
2H:
Crit Charge + Bash / Uppercut = Dead Templar
Bow:
Venom Arrow + Snipe = Dead Templar
Scatter Shot
Shield:
Shield Charge
DK:
Petrify
Chains
NB:
*Terror
Agony
Teleport Strike
Virtually everyone of your suggestions is for a 1v1 fight. Radiant destruction is fine in 1v1... When it's not fine is when someone can't do any of those things because they are occupied with someone else
then you are either heavily outnumbered where you deserve to die or you have companies where atleast one should be ranged to handle such a situation or its in the worst case a l2p issue in the case of getting rid of "your" tunnel vision.
Or it's the fact I play a glass cannon stamina user who has to rely on things like dodge roll to avoid damage which radiant destruction ignores... I realize if you play a face roll easy mode class like sorc you might have an easier time with radiant destructionhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Tankqull✭✭✭✭✭
✭currently i´m playing my nightblade as long as they do not nerf the completly out of whack endu reg of nbs i´m joining the bandwagon of playing the most overpowered class currently existing (especially with nirn destroying any magica spec currently) and i do not have issues with RD on her.
if i´m out numbered its my fault of chosing the wrong fight and when i´m grouped with my guildies we rupt and tear templars a second hole in their backs
spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"0 -
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✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »
Difficult to interrupt a ranged, channeled beam in the heat of battle. May help to carry one of these ranged interrupts, unless the Templar is using Immovable, Break Free, spamming Healing Springs, or mashing the Meteor button:xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Vast majority of my deaths in most fights is Radiant Destruction heh
2H:
Crit Charge + Bash / Uppercut = Dead Templar
Bow:
Venom Arrow + Snipe = Dead Templar
Scatter Shot
Shield:
Shield Charge
DK:
Petrify
Chains
NB:
*Terror
Agony
Teleport Strike
Virtually everyone of your suggestions is for a 1v1 fight. Radiant destruction is fine in 1v1... When it's not fine is when someone can't do any of those things because they are occupied with someone else
then you are either heavily outnumbered where you deserve to die or you have companies where atleast one should be ranged to handle such a situation or its in the worst case a l2p issue in the case of getting rid of "your" tunnel vision.
Or it's the fact I play a glass cannon stamina user who has to rely on things like dodge roll to avoid damage which radiant destruction ignores... I realize if you play a face roll easy mode class like sorc you might have an easier time with radiant destruction
If I am hit by only one Radiant Destruction by one of the lower spell damage/magicka templars, and I have enough stamina to dodge cast a few times, then I can survive spamming Healing Ward...
Usually Radiant Destruction gets me killed when I am low and I can not wipe a group if 2 spam that unless I manage to kill one of them really fast or they let me spread them out.xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »
Difficult to interrupt a ranged, channeled beam in the heat of battle. May help to carry one of these ranged interrupts, unless the Templar is using Immovable, Break Free, spamming Healing Springs, or mashing the Meteor button:xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Vast majority of my deaths in most fights is Radiant Destruction heh
2H:
Crit Charge + Bash / Uppercut = Dead Templar
Bow:
Venom Arrow + Snipe = Dead Templar
Scatter Shot
Shield:
Shield Charge
DK:
Petrify
Chains
NB:
*Terror
Agony
Teleport Strike
Virtually everyone of your suggestions is for a 1v1 fight. Radiant destruction is fine in 1v1... When it's not fine is when someone can't do any of those things because they are occupied with someone else
then you are either heavily outnumbered where you deserve to die or you have companies where atleast one should be ranged to handle such a situation or its in the worst case a l2p issue in the case of getting rid of "your" tunnel vision.
I don't understand at all why I would deserve to die jsut because I am heavily outnumbered - so far I was always able to take on groups of 5+ enemies who didn't know what they were doing, that did not change in 1.6 (besides that I don't have to specialise as much for group play ergo can fight all sorts of opponents usually).
So why should I die just because the enemy group has a templar who plays in a lazy and usually inefficient way and shows no skill or knowledge of game mechanichs whatsoever. That skill just happens to be very rewarding to use when you are heavily outnumbering the enemy, and I think such a skill should not exist in this game. This skill need a counter like purging or dodging, break free or anything that does not require to turn around and target that one templar.Edited by ToRelax on 18 April 2015 22:35DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »
Difficult to interrupt a ranged, channeled beam in the heat of battle. May help to carry one of these ranged interrupts, unless the Templar is using Immovable, Break Free, spamming Healing Springs, or mashing the Meteor button:xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Vast majority of my deaths in most fights is Radiant Destruction heh
2H:
Crit Charge + Bash / Uppercut = Dead Templar
Bow:
Venom Arrow + Snipe = Dead Templar
Scatter Shot
Shield:
Shield Charge
DK:
Petrify
Chains
NB:
*Terror
Agony
Teleport Strike
Virtually everyone of your suggestions is for a 1v1 fight. Radiant destruction is fine in 1v1... When it's not fine is when someone can't do any of those things because they are occupied with someone else
then you are either heavily outnumbered where you deserve to die or you have companies where atleast one should be ranged to handle such a situation or its in the worst case a l2p issue in the case of getting rid of "your" tunnel vision.
Or it's the fact I play a glass cannon stamina user who has to rely on things like dodge roll to avoid damage which radiant destruction ignores... I realize if you play a face roll easy mode class like sorc you might have an easier time with radiant destruction
If I am hit by only one Radiant Destruction by one of the lower spell damage/magicka templars, and I have enough stamina to dodge cast a few times, then I can survive spamming Healing Ward...
Usually Radiant Destruction gets me killed when I am low and I can not wipe a group if 2 spam that unless I manage to kill one of them really fast or they let me spread them out.xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »
Difficult to interrupt a ranged, channeled beam in the heat of battle. May help to carry one of these ranged interrupts, unless the Templar is using Immovable, Break Free, spamming Healing Springs, or mashing the Meteor button:xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Vast majority of my deaths in most fights is Radiant Destruction heh
2H:
Crit Charge + Bash / Uppercut = Dead Templar
Bow:
Venom Arrow + Snipe = Dead Templar
Scatter Shot
Shield:
Shield Charge
DK:
Petrify
Chains
NB:
*Terror
Agony
Teleport Strike
Virtually everyone of your suggestions is for a 1v1 fight. Radiant destruction is fine in 1v1... When it's not fine is when someone can't do any of those things because they are occupied with someone else
then you are either heavily outnumbered where you deserve to die or you have companies where atleast one should be ranged to handle such a situation or its in the worst case a l2p issue in the case of getting rid of "your" tunnel vision.
I don't understand at all why I would deserve to die jsut because I am heavily outnumbered - so far I was always able to take on groups of 5+ enemies who didn't know what they were doing, that did not change in 1.6 (besides that I don't have to specialise as much for group play ergo can fight all sorts of opponents usually).
So why should I die just because the enemy group has a templar who plays in a lazy and usually inefficient way and shows no skill or knowledge of game mechanichs whatsoever. That skill just happens to be very rewarding to use when you are heavily outnumbering the enemy, and I think such a skill should not exist in this game. This skill need a counter like purging or dodging, break free or anything that does not require to turn around and target that one templar.
Heh can't count the number of times I've ran across a small group with like 2 templats in it and the first thing they do and the entire thing they do in the fight is spam radiant destruction. I mean I don't blame them.. If you are zerg surfing it's the easiest spell in the game to get kills on.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
ESO and GW2 PvP videos1 -
RoamingRiverElk✭✭✭✭✭With Radiant Destruction around, DKs have become weaker because their class heal is meant to be used when in low health, not near full. And shield stacking to keep health at 100% isn't efficient on a magicka DK because the class shield depends on max health.Dalris Aalr - Magicka (Stamina) DK | Dalfish - Magicka Sorc | Dal Aalr - Magicka Warden | Dalrish - Mag/Stam NB | Irana Aalr - PvE Templar1 -
Domander✭✭✭✭✭
✭currently i´m playing my nightblade as long as they do not nerf the completly out of whack endu reg of nbs i´m joining the bandwagon of playing the most overpowered class currently existing (especially with nirn destroying any magica spec currently) and i do not have issues with RD on her.
if i´m out numbered its my fault of chosing the wrong fight and when i´m grouped with my guildies we rupt and tear templars a second hole in their backs
Yeah I'm leveling a stamina nightblade. I tried stamina on my main, I just don't like it as much..even though it's more effective.0 -
Tintinabula✭✭✭✭✭
✭There is also the hardened ward based off their magicka pool. Stamina users do not have a shield with its strength based off their main stat "stamina'. You will be told that hardened ward prevents them from DPSn while its up..not true. Dodge roll is a 1 second 100% evade. (Hardly comparable to a 20 second 13K plus mitigation shield and I have still to find out if Hardened ward DOESN'T mitigate a certain type of damage..while..dodge rolls only evade certain things.)
Thankyou for this thread Domander.
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Domander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tintinabula wrote: »There is also the hardened ward based off their magicka pool. Stamina users do not have a shield with its strength based off their main stat "stamina'. You will be told that hardened ward prevents them from DPSn while its up..not true. Dodge roll is a 1 second 100% evade. (Hardly comparable to a 20 second 13K plus mitigation shield and I have still to find out if Hardened ward DOESN'T mitigate a certain type of damage..while..dodge rolls only evade certain things.)
Thankyou for this thread Domander.
Yeah, annulment is also based off max magicka... which makes fighting someone using both of those shields as magicka damage just so futile. If geared right harness magicka will give back more magicka than it costs, and take more than one ability to get through.1 -
iseko✭✭✭✭Anyone who thinks stamina is OP is talking about 1v1 I think. In AvA magicka is still the meta. If you dont think so go head to head with exile or banana squad bomb squads. They hit like a truck... Filled with napalm... To the face.0 -
Poxheart✭✭✭✭✭You haven't seen the pain trains that spam aoe roots, fear & steel tornado.Unsubbed and no longer playing, but still checking the Alliance War forum for the lulz.
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You probably haven't been in Cyrodiil lately. 1vX while endless using dodge rolling is very much a thing.Anyone who thinks stamina is OP is talking about 1v1 I think. In AvA magicka is still the meta. If you dont think so go head to head with exile or banana squad bomb squads. They hit like a truck... Filled with napalm... To the face.
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iseko✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
You probably haven't been in Cyrodiil lately. 1vX while endless using dodge rolling is very much a thing.Anyone who thinks stamina is OP is talking about 1v1 I think. In AvA magicka is still the meta. If you dont think so go head to head with exile or banana squad bomb squads. They hit like a truck... Filled with napalm... To the face.
Curse. Heavy rest/lightning destro. Jesus beam. Byebye.
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Stop chasing VR1 Tyros.Lava_Croft wrote: »
You probably haven't been in Cyrodiil lately. 1vX while endless using dodge rolling is very much a thing.Anyone who thinks stamina is OP is talking about 1v1 I think. In AvA magicka is still the meta. If you dont think so go head to head with exile or banana squad bomb squads. They hit like a truck... Filled with napalm... To the face.
Curse. Heavy rest/lightning destro. Jesus beam. Byebye.
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »
Difficult to interrupt a ranged, channeled beam in the heat of battle. May help to carry one of these ranged interrupts, unless the Templar is using Immovable, Break Free, spamming Healing Springs, or mashing the Meteor button:xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Vast majority of my deaths in most fights is Radiant Destruction heh
2H:
Crit Charge + Bash / Uppercut = Dead Templar
Bow:
Venom Arrow + Snipe = Dead Templar
Scatter Shot
Shield:
Shield Charge
DK:
Petrify
Chains
NB:
*Terror
Agony
Teleport Strike
Virtually everyone of your suggestions is for a 1v1 fight. Radiant destruction is fine in 1v1... When it's not fine is when someone can't do any of those things because they are occupied with someone else
then you are either heavily outnumbered where you deserve to die or you have companies where atleast one should be ranged to handle such a situation or its in the worst case a l2p issue in the case of getting rid of "your" tunnel vision.
Or it's the fact I play a glass cannon stamina user who has to rely on things like dodge roll to avoid damage which radiant destruction ignores... I realize if you play a face roll easy mode class like sorc you might have an easier time with radiant destruction
If I am hit by only one Radiant Destruction by one of the lower spell damage/magicka templars, and I have enough stamina to dodge cast a few times, then I can survive spamming Healing Ward...
Usually Radiant Destruction gets me killed when I am low and I can not wipe a group if 2 spam that unless I manage to kill one of them really fast or they let me spread them out.xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »
Difficult to interrupt a ranged, channeled beam in the heat of battle. May help to carry one of these ranged interrupts, unless the Templar is using Immovable, Break Free, spamming Healing Springs, or mashing the Meteor button:xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Vast majority of my deaths in most fights is Radiant Destruction heh
2H:
Crit Charge + Bash / Uppercut = Dead Templar
Bow:
Venom Arrow + Snipe = Dead Templar
Scatter Shot
Shield:
Shield Charge
DK:
Petrify
Chains
NB:
*Terror
Agony
Teleport Strike
Virtually everyone of your suggestions is for a 1v1 fight. Radiant destruction is fine in 1v1... When it's not fine is when someone can't do any of those things because they are occupied with someone else
then you are either heavily outnumbered where you deserve to die or you have companies where atleast one should be ranged to handle such a situation or its in the worst case a l2p issue in the case of getting rid of "your" tunnel vision.
I don't understand at all why I would deserve to die jsut because I am heavily outnumbered - so far I was always able to take on groups of 5+ enemies who didn't know what they were doing, that did not change in 1.6 (besides that I don't have to specialise as much for group play ergo can fight all sorts of opponents usually).
So why should I die just because the enemy group has a templar who plays in a lazy and usually inefficient way and shows no skill or knowledge of game mechanichs whatsoever. That skill just happens to be very rewarding to use when you are heavily outnumbering the enemy, and I think such a skill should not exist in this game. This skill need a counter like purging or dodging, break free or anything that does not require to turn around and target that one templar.
Heh can't count the number of times I've ran across a small group with like 2 templats in it and the first thing they do and the entire thing they do in the fight is spam radiant destruction. I mean I don't blame them.. If you are zerg surfing it's the easiest spell in the game to get kills on.
LOL Well a 3 reasons they might spam RD.
1. Noobs that heard it was so great.
2. Other templar abilities can be pretty crappy
3. If they are in a group, could be heavily support specced as healing is already the best thing a templar can do and RD probably is best at supporting other DPs who can burst you to execute range.
It's really not all that great.0