Light attacks ?

tist

I had the pleasure of running into a sorc last night who light attacked me for 15k. Yes, that's 75% of my hp and I have over 10k spell resist. Keep in mind I am a recent V14 and may have underestimated what was going on but there was essentially no warning of the spell going off. Spells like meteor I can expect to hit for that amount, but light attacks.. What?

Cinnamon_Spider

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

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tist wrote: »

I had the pleasure of running into a sorc last night who light attacked me for 15k. Yes, that's 75% of my hp and I have over 10k spell resist. Keep in mind I am a recent V14 and may have underestimated what was going on but there was essentially no warning of the spell going off. Spells like meteor I can expect to hit for that amount, but light attacks.. What?

A meteor is an ultimate just as overload is an ultimate. As for no warning, there is an obvious movement we make and our hands glow with electricity. It is hard to miss if it's just you and the sorc.

Ezareth

tist wrote: »

I had the pleasure of running into a sorc last night who light attacked me for 15k. Yes, that's 75% of my hp and I have over 10k spell resist. Keep in mind I am a recent V14 and may have underestimated what was going on but there was essentially no warning of the spell going off. Spells like meteor I can expect to hit for that amount, but light attacks.. What?

Finally someone who has some actual numbers.

I haven't seen a 15K Power overload light attack since Sharpened was bugged but that at least is possible. Keep in mind I'm not glass cannon specced but I have 29K magicka and 50 champion points into elemental mastery. I think against lightly defended SR targets(10K is barely above minimum so don't count that to mean anything) my overload crits for 12-14K. Pretty good damage but nothing spectacular and as so many have mentioned easy to defend against.

Only on PTS with 3600 Champion points, might of the guild and 45K Magicka could I hit 25K overload hits, that's why I think the OP is BSing.

You could snipe for 35K+ too.

Sacadon

How many other times have you wiped due to this or similar? BTW, I'm not saying that this isn't a concern. Just wanted to see what has you so done with PvP since this seems small, but guessing it's the straw breaking the camels back.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

crowfl56 wrote: »

No wonder people like the spam queens in pvp.

As a member of the gay community, I have just been inspired to become the biggest Spam Queen in the world.

Get yo Spam, get yo mustard, get yo skillet, cuz we frying errybody up in hirrah.

OKRRRR?

k2blader

Joy_Division wrote: »

It's disingenuous to call it a "light attack." It is an ultimate attack that has nothing to do with the standard light attacks from mundane weapons.

I will say the skill is silly when it comes to balance because it is stupidly OP against opponents who do not defend against it (for whatever reason) and next to useless against those that do.

So true. I think people are *finally* understanding when they see the slow bright little blob coming towards 'em all they gotta do is dodge roll. It makes me relieved their noggins are catching up to their tearing eyes, yet also sad because I like(d) having a fun ultimate for once.

On the original post, could we at least see a screen shot. 25k sounds a tad melodramatic if you catch my drift. That said, what with all the EP BS going on in Thorn, maybe it is possible for one of their players.

eventide03b14a_ESO

crowfl56 wrote: »

Doesn't matter what spell line does it ?

A 25k light attack is total baloney

period.

Do you understand what an Ultimate is? It's called a "light attack" only because it's a single quick click and it throws a projectile. The "heavy attack" version just shoots a spray of lightning directly in front of you. The names are only used to help understand how they are used. I don't even use the ultimate in PvP because it's more hassle than it's worth. Having it as an extra bar is actually more annoying than you would think.

Draxys

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

If it was so unless people wouldn't use it when was the last time a Nightblade's Agony or Path of Darkness was on you death recap never cause they are garage (path got some love in 1.6 so maybe it's something now) but they are pointless powers to have

What does this have anything to do with overload? NBs are the king of QQ, nerf NB

Side note most ultimates are easily avoidable ground effects for roll out, channels Purge, burst damage you have to just eat that damage so no real meat to that its counter able argument

Overload is incredibly easy to avoid. There have been numerous counters listed in this post already. Use them, they work.

I'm always amazed when you guys respond because you reply but I'm not sure you can read I use the reflection of Sword and Board to hilarious effects with my free ultimate meteor that you guys gift to me so often.

And the point of mentioning agony and path of darkness was apparently too over your head as it states that they are pointless and no one use them whereas your sorc ultimate seems to be pointless but half the Sorcs in PvP use it not just for the third bar but use the power it self

Maybe if they taught you to read you would do better in life if you need me to I can pay for you to go to a private schoo lbecause you're reading skill are a tragedy

aaahahahaha I love yoda memes

Spangla

ItsRejectz wrote: »

crowfl56 wrote: »

What part of light attack do you all not understand ?

Even if its off an ultimate, ITS A LIGHT attack.

So again I would say 25k is way OP,

Now I realize you sorc's out there just love it, so would I

But it's not a "light attack" it's the light attack of an Ultimate..

Yea the cheapest ultimate....

deepseamk20b14_ESO

I had a bow heavy attack hit me for 15k the other day lol.

vichoi

I've been using overload light attack for 6months and the highest damage I did is 13k, I got 22k spell dmg and 25k magicka,, can anyone explain how to make overload hit 25k? Guess I'll be able to take out a Zerg with overload

Derra

crowfl56 wrote: »

nope, just want to show folks just how unreal certain class's can get with alittle fine tuning.

So there to .

So again I would say NO 25k light attacks period.

Or give all class's a 25k light attack.

Now wouldn't that be fun

You´re getting far to stuck on the wording "light attack". It is a normal instant cast spell projectile that is unable to be weaved with normal attacks - it consumes a gcd.

Overload is a *** ability anyways. It´s pure cheese (and take the third skillbar too). I´d take a 50 ultimate cost one time nuke that is not able to be reflected, dodgerolled or cloaked any day of the week.

Tankqull

vichoi wrote: »

I've been using overload light attack for 6months and the highest damage I did is 13k, I got 22k spell dmg and 25k magicka,, can anyone explain how to make overload hit 25k? Guess I'll be able to take out a Zerg with overload

you can get it into those areas if you highly invest into the cp allocation for elemental dmg, critical dmg hight and with alot more magica, but even then you will need a nearly depleted shield/extream low value shield on the reciving end to hit that hard (->overflow dmg bug).

Sharee

Forget about the 'light' in the name. It is only called 'light' to differentiate it from overload 'heavy', not to suggest the damage will be low. In fact overload heavy has a much lower damage on the tooltip(because it is an AOE channel, so the tooltip damage is 'per tick').

Kas

stop fighting over if overload is too strong or not and concentrate on what's really important:
OP is either lying or wearing nothing under his wedding dress for armor.

even with all the sorc hate i share i gotta say:
pic or didn't happen, OP

Derra

Kas wrote: »

stop fighting over if overload is too strong or not and concentrate on what's really important:
OP is either lying or wearing nothing under his wedding dress for armor.

even with all the sorc hate i share i gotta say:
pic or didn't happend, OP

Most likely scenario is a sorc running towards him with storm armor(boundless) and due to the slow travelingspeed the projectiles hit nearly at the same time and got combined into one hit on the death recap.

SRIBES

1) Screenshot
2) L2P
3) You just went full ***, never go full ***.

golfer.dub17_ESO

Rofl at the replies, "25k Light Attacks are okay because it's an ultimate and ultimates are supposed to be powerful."

Powerful? Yes. Killing people with one or two spammed light attacks? Um, No.

To put it in perspective my dragonknight standard does similar damage to what he claims...after seventeen seconds of 1k damage per tick.

"Just block it." What if the Sorc is shooting bolts at you from the sidelines so you don't see it coming?

"Just reflect it / just hide from it" If the only way to counter something is to reflect it back at the user, that's a pretty good sign it's too powerful.

I'm not saying it does 25k damage. But if the OP is telling the truth...then no...there's absolutely no way that's balanced.

You could snipe for 35K+ too.

Snipe also has a cast time and a lower rate of fire...

Derra

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Rofl at the replies, "25k Light Attacks are okay because it's an ultimate and ultimates are supposed to be powerful."

Powerful? Yes. Killing people with one or two spammed light attacks? Um, No.

To put it in perspective my dragonknight standard does similar damage to what he claims...after seventeen seconds of 1k damage per tick.

"Just block it." What if the Sorc is shooting bolts at you from the sidelines so you don't see it coming?

"Just reflect it / just hide from it" If the only way to counter something is to reflect it back at the user, that's a pretty good sign it's too powerful.

I'm not saying it does 25k damage. But if the OP is telling the truth...then no...there's absolutely no way that's balanced.

You could snipe for 35K+ too.

Snipe also has a cast time and a lower rate of fire...

Sorry to burst your bubble. Snipe has exactly the same fireing frequency as overload light attacks with the added benefit of weaved in bow light attacks.
It has a casttime but after all overload is an ultimate.

I don´t like the ability either bc imo it´s cheap too rewarding against unaware players and too useless against ppl noticing it.

seniden_ESO

LameoveR wrote: »

crowfl56 wrote: »

nope, just want to show folks just how unreal certain class's can get with alittle fine tuning.

So there to .

So again I would say NO 25k light attacks period.

Or give all class's a 25k light attack.

Now wouldn't that be fun

You don't get it still.
It's not a common light attack you can spam whole day.
It's ultimate's light attack, that uses ultimate resource. Sorc can shoot it ~20 times, maybe.
Then he will run out of ultimate.

So I only have to dodge/block/cloak/reflect 20 1-shots in a row!?
Well, ***. I guess I see where all of you are coming from.

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Ezareth

seniden_ESO wrote: »

LameoveR wrote: »

crowfl56 wrote: »

nope, just want to show folks just how unreal certain class's can get with alittle fine tuning.

So there to .

So again I would say NO 25k light attacks period.

Or give all class's a 25k light attack.

Now wouldn't that be fun

You don't get it still.
It's not a common light attack you can spam whole day.
It's ultimate's light attack, that uses ultimate resource. Sorc can shoot it ~20 times, maybe.
Then he will run out of ultimate.

So I only have to dodge/block/cloak/reflect 20 1-shots in a row!?
Well, ***. I guess I see where all of you are coming from.

You can dodge 3 in a row with a single dodge roll so you only need to dodge roll 7 times in a row....which you should be doing anyways regardless.

A good sorc will stop spamming overload when he sees a character actually knows how to dodge roll. I may let fly an occasional one afterwards to keep them on their toes and rolling, but I'll never continue firing overload at a target while they're rolling. And if they have reflective scales or defensive posture? I only shoot 1 at a time.and wait for the reflect.

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seniden_ESO

Ezareth wrote: »

seniden_ESO wrote: »

LameoveR wrote: »

crowfl56 wrote: »

nope, just want to show folks just how unreal certain class's can get with alittle fine tuning.

So there to .

So again I would say NO 25k light attacks period.

Or give all class's a 25k light attack.

Now wouldn't that be fun

You don't get it still.
It's not a common light attack you can spam whole day.
It's ultimate's light attack, that uses ultimate resource. Sorc can shoot it ~20 times, maybe.
Then he will run out of ultimate.

So I only have to dodge/block/cloak/reflect 20 1-shots in a row!?
Well, ***. I guess I see where all of you are coming from.

You can dodge 3 in a row with a single dodge roll so you only need to dodge roll 7 times in a row....which you should be doing anyways regardless.

A good sorc will stop spamming overload when he sees a character actually knows how to dodge roll. I may let fly an occasional one afterwards to keep them on their toes and rolling, but I'll never continue firing overload at a target while they're rolling. And if they have reflective scales or defensive posture? I only shoot 1 at a time.and wait for the reflect.

So at minimum, I'm dodging 7 times in a row to counter this, and if the sorcerer isn't firing them back to back but is instead acting at least somewhat unpredictably and using other abilities, I'm expected to dodge 20.

Edit: You'll only dodge 3 with one roll if the sorc is moving toward you while casting them. If you're going to argue, use realistic scenarios and not the ones that best suit your argument. It makes you look biased and incapable of reasoning.

Alright, cool. This is why nobody takes you people seriously when you defend this.

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MoneyOverEverything

1. reroll sorc and grind to v14
2. learn how to play against sorcs
3. log on your main (i bet its a nb 7 med 0 selfheal)
4. log on your sorc
5. delete your main
6. play sorc

Vis

Pics or it didn't happen.

Wreuntzylla

Every class has a high DPS, one-trick pony rotation. For example, DKs have a one-shot, heavy attack build that relies on molten weapons. It's actually a 2-3 ability rotation that lands within the space of a second for 25k+ on decently geared opponents. Overload is much easier to deal with.

tist wrote: »

I had the pleasure of running into a sorc last night who light attacked me for 15k. Yes, that's 75% of my hp and I have over 10k spell resist. Keep in mind I am a recent V14 and may have underestimated what was going on but there was essentially no warning of the spell going off. Spells like meteor I can expect to hit for that amount, but light attacks.. What?

10k spell resist is very low. I think 32k is the hard cap for 50% spell mitigation. There are multiple ways to get to between 25k-32k depending on your class, gear, armor, potions, etc. You can do it without sacrificing much in the way of DPS. The bottom line is that you shouldn't walk into Cyrodiil without at least two nirnhone traited armor pieces. Some people preach 4.

If you are a magicka build, harness magicka is very effective.

seniden_ESO wrote: »

So at minimum, I'm dodging 7 times in a row to counter this, and if the sorcerer isn't firing them back to back but is instead acting at least somewhat unpredictably and using other abilities, I'm expected to dodge 20. [/quote]

Every build has to take into account some spike dps rotation from all four classes. It's not unreasonable. Depending on whether you are magicka or stamina based, you can dodge roll, spam damage shields (including Harness Magicka and Healing Ward), keep dodge buff up, go invisible (e.g., potions), use armor mitigation, reflect abilities, use terrain, apply cc, etc.

Now, I would argue that current ttk is too low across the board and uninteresting. But that's for a different thread.

Panda244 wrote: »

This is... I just... [...] Sorcerer's are in need of re-balancing yes, Overload has NOTHING to do with it. Overload is probably the worst Ultimate in the game as it's so easily ignored.

k2blader wrote: »

So true. I think people are *finally* understanding when they see the slow bright little blob coming towards 'em all they gotta do is dodge roll. It makes me relieved their noggins are catching up to their tearing eyes, yet also sad because I like(d) having a fun ultimate for once.

Why on earth would you use overload at range???

Ezareth

seniden_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

seniden_ESO wrote: »

LameoveR wrote: »

crowfl56 wrote: »

nope, just want to show folks just how unreal certain class's can get with alittle fine tuning.

So there to .

So again I would say NO 25k light attacks period.

Or give all class's a 25k light attack.

Now wouldn't that be fun

You don't get it still.
It's not a common light attack you can spam whole day.
It's ultimate's light attack, that uses ultimate resource. Sorc can shoot it ~20 times, maybe.
Then he will run out of ultimate.

So I only have to dodge/block/cloak/reflect 20 1-shots in a row!?
Well, ***. I guess I see where all of you are coming from.

You can dodge 3 in a row with a single dodge roll so you only need to dodge roll 7 times in a row....which you should be doing anyways regardless.

A good sorc will stop spamming overload when he sees a character actually knows how to dodge roll. I may let fly an occasional one afterwards to keep them on their toes and rolling, but I'll never continue firing overload at a target while they're rolling. And if they have reflective scales or defensive posture? I only shoot 1 at a time.and wait for the reflect.

So at minimum, I'm dodging 7 times in a row to counter this, and if the sorcerer isn't firing them back to back but is instead acting at least somewhat unpredictably and using other abilities, I'm expected to dodge 20.

Edit: You'll only dodge 3 with one roll if the sorc is moving toward you while casting them. If you're going to argue, use realistic scenarios and not the ones that best suit your argument. It makes you look biased and incapable of reasoning.

Alright, cool. This is why nobody takes you people seriously when you defend this.

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The whole scenario of me just sitting there left-clicking someone who knows how to play to death while they stand there eating my overload isn't a realistic scenario. You can dodge roll and then use a gap-closer then fear and put me on the defensive. You can't choreograph an entire fight because everything has a counter and that's not the point.

Yes I can spam 20 light overload attacks in a row. You can spam 20 lethal arrows in a row with near the same frequency. I can't tell you how to play your class but the good nightblades I fight dont get hit by overload no matter how much I try.

Dositheus

Tankqull wrote: »

well overload does ~8-12k dmg before spell resists while beeing buffed so without some bug (wich the game contains way to much sadly) the dmg you observed is not possible.

I'm not sure about Overload attacks, since I don't play a Sorc and I have no clue how hard it is to use the attacks etc. But I can say with 100% honesty, that I have been hit with 18k to 22k overload light attacks by Sorcs. I know, because I stared at the death recap and scratched my head. I knew it was something to do with an ult though, so I just shrugged... respawned and went back to feed some ap... err.. try to get ap. :P

And that's with 13k magic resist when I was nailed by those. Not a ton I know, but not naked either. Obviously, I should have been rolling.

Snit

Overload is awesome against inattentive or one-dimensional players. In particular, it's great against one particular flavor of templar: The guy who just stands there, unmoving, determined to outheal your damage. Most can't, at least not against a sorc built primarily around +spell damage.

Good players dodge, do something to put me on the defensive, break line of sight or reflect.

cozmon3c_ESO

when a sorc pops overlaod they lose some defensive capabilities, the only real defense they can do from there 3rd skill bar is hardened ward. if you see those hands start catching lightening then you know its time to dodge roll and go full offensive and force the sorc out of overload to cast healing ward. just the delay for a sorc to get to his healing ward bar again is usually, 9 times out of 10 is the death of the sorc before they can get that shield off.

ToRelax

Dositheus wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

well overload does ~8-12k dmg before spell resists while beeing buffed so without some bug (wich the game contains way to much sadly) the dmg you observed is not possible.

I'm not sure about Overload attacks, since I don't play a Sorc and I have no clue how hard it is to use the attacks etc. But I can say with 100% honesty, that I have been hit with 18k to 22k overload light attacks by Sorcs. I know, because I stared at the death recap and scratched my head. I knew it was something to do with an ult though, so I just shrugged... respawned and went back to feed some ap... err.. try to get ap. :P

And that's with 13k magic resist when I was nailed by those. Not a ton I know, but not naked either. Obviously, I should have been rolling.

Well these hits are possible if you invest a lot in spell damage and magicka, more than I would call a healthy balance.
And 13k spell resist is not only not a ton, it's easily completely ignored.