pls fix NB cloak

morf87

Im so tired of being pulled out of cloak by half the skills in the game, cloak is not a minor skill..its a class defining skill. ESO is 1 year old, how much longer do we have to wait for you to get your act together ? like i have said before if bolt escape and green dragon blood worked 50% of the time or even less like cloak there would be an uproar..im not sure you understand how critical cloak is and how frustrating it is to use your whole magika pool and it do nothing not to mention detect pots being able to see players using cloak...
Pls fix asap before i lose my patience with my NB and this game and im sure im not the only one who feels this way.

tcgoetzub17_ESO

Agreed!

Cloak is a class defining ability and invisibility potions are better.

pecheckler

This is why i quit my nightblade. Zenimax hasn't even acknowledged the problem.

EsORising

pecheckler wrote: »

This is why i quit my nightblade. Zenimax hasn't even acknowledged the problem.

Cloaks been broken for the longest time and with 1.6 the animation is broke now too. If you stealth more than once while moving the animation doesn't register so you don't know if your in stealth or not. You can look at the eye reticle but with only 2.5 sec can you really afford too?

That's another thing.. would it be too much to ask for more than 3sec in stealth. I think with all the nightblade perks we should get more than 0.4 seconds espcially since the others classes are so buff compared to nightblades. PLEASSSSSE Zenimax at least 5 sec of stealth or reduce the mana consumption. The skill takes so much mana and breaks if you do any dmg or if anyone aoe's. Most people have it on their skill bar as a novelty because it's the essence of a stealth/rouge class.

Not to mention sparks and haste was taken away and replaced with crap skills so stealth is really the only rouge/assassin type feature for the nightblades. I can write 2 pages how much i hate the new skills but it wouldnt be constructive because changes were made and most people hate it but it's probably going to stay anyways. Why take 2 of the best skills and just replace them with crap. I digress.

Stannum

Really there is no need in 5 sec invis. There is need in 3 sec invis works reliable. Now it's allmost useless in PvP (Think most non-vampire NBs do not have this skill on their PvP bars).

Lava_Croft

I'm a non-Vampire Magicka Nightblade and I depend heavily on Cloak. It's nowhere near as broken as some of you make it out to be, but it certainly isn't free of any problems. Like a lot of other skills.

However, there are too many ways to counter Cloak.

Septimus_Magna

I hate to break it to you but Bolt Escape, especially Ball of Lighting morph, is broken as well.
If there is a big group close by I cant Bolt Escape most of the time, it drains my magicka but I dont teleport forward.
Also the ball doesnt absorb all projectiles, I often knock down fleeing sorcs with my cyrtal frags for example.

This is not the only skill that is broken but I understand your frustration.
Its time ZOS gets their act together and fixes these annoying bugs.

P.S. When I fight a NB he cloaks himself each 5 seconds (and he disappears) so without detection potions its impossible to fight them imo.

Smaxx

I don't think it's an issue with class balance. It's a mechanic one, mostly related to bugs as well.

• Being stuck in "detected": This is the single most annoying bug for me. You don't get away from it, unless you manage to get enough distance to get out of combat. It doesn't even matter whether you're hit or not. As long as you're in combat you sometimes don't cloak. Sometimes it works right away once you break line of sight. It's far too inconsistent to be considered working as intended IMO.
• Crouching failing instantly the moment you do damage: This is somewhat related to the first issue. Why can't your stealth status just go to "Detected" the moment you do damage? Why does your char have to stop crouching?
• Detection Potions: As far as I know there's no distinctive way to tell others using such a potion (maybe I've just missed it or were plagued by other stealth related bugs). Given it's effect this feels very unfair. Consider Magelight's comparatively small bonus with that huge and easy to spot light effect, this sounds very odd. The potion grants you what? like 20 meters detection radius? Personally I'd love to see the range of the potion reduced, at least halfed. Add some effect (maybe eyes similar to PvE encounters with disguises) and to compensate for this, nerf the default stealth radius, while allowing Nightblades to regain the old one using a new Shadow passive.

Lhorion

NBs in my guild told me cloak is nearly fine as it is. Usualle it works as it is intended. In huge fights it does not work fine, but what skill does work in huge battles. Leap? Leapbug! Charge? Chargebug! Ult? After an hour! Heavy attacks don't work sometimes and so on. Short version: The lag is destroying most of the skills.

The cloak is not intended as an vanish skill like you know from other games. In other games you have to wait up to 5 minutes (cooldown) for this vanish. Would cloak work like many of you want it to work... Beeing able to disappear everytime and everywhere as long as you have magicka? Seriously?
Then tanks should have a skill like magmar armour for 1,5k magicka. Ah no, right. This kind of skill has a long CD in other games and here it is an ultimate.

All I want to say:

There are two types of skills.
1. Skills that can be spammed without breaking the balance.
2. Skills that are too powerful for spamming them.

For the second case most of the games have a cooldown that is higher when the skill is more powerful. Ultimates are annother way to limitate skills so they won't be used all the time.

A 'working' cloak (you disappear and wont be interrupted) would be such a skill that must not be spammable.
Stealth-potions have a CD and they work like you want the cloak to work. I think ZOS does the cloak want to work in a different way.

olsborg

Make cloak work like vampire ultimate, the one where you become invisible and if by any source you are revelaed you are instantly reinvised for the duration. If this was implemented and the same cost penalty applied to it like Bolt Escape has now, it might work, I dunno.

Btw, fix Ball of Ligtning, it doesnt suck in projectiles half the time, kthxbye!

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I'm a non-Vampire Magicka Nightblade and I depend heavily on Cloak. It's nowhere near as broken as some of you make it out to be, but it certainly isn't free of any problems. Like a lot of other skills.

However, there are too many ways to counter Cloak.

I'm not sure you count for this on my stamina Nightblades when Cloak breaks I die most times but on my magic Nightblades I can just recast

Stamina Nightblades can cast four to five times with a full bar and after it regens my Shadow Mage can cast cloak forever with five seducer (1 weapon 2 light and 2 heavy) and Marshall knowledge with three Warlock jewelry I can spam it if it breaks just recast that's not always possible for stamina builds

Magic should be able to use the power more but we shouldn't have to spam it for it to work

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

I hate to break it to you but Bolt Escape, especially Ball of Lighting morph, is broken as well.
If there is a big group close by I cant Bolt Escape most of the time, it drains my magicka but I dont teleport forward.
Also the ball doesnt absorb all projectiles, I often knock down fleeing sorcs with my cyrtal frags for example.

This is not the only skill that is broken but I understand your frustration.
Its time ZOS gets their act together and fixes these annoying bugs.

P.S. When I fight a NB he cloaks himself each 5 seconds (and he disappears) so without detection potions its impossible to fight them imo.

I have two guild member test that today in fact if you cast one it works but multiple balls will break it. If that helps

Not to say that you BE not moving at all is wouldn't be bad for obvious reasons but you do have a 15+k damage shield to lean on and that's not breaking everyday with like ten counter one of which kills your stealth for 41.3 seconds. Both are sad on ZOS part but one is granted death the other is spam Hardening and healing Ward

Edit: cloak only lasts for 2.9 seconds at max with a 3k cost to stimina builds not all but most Nightblades

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Lhorion wrote: »

NBs in my guild told me cloak is nearly fine as it is. Usualle it works as it is intended. In huge fights it does not work fine, but what skill does work in huge battles. Leap? Leapbug! Charge? Chargebug! Ult? After an hour! Heavy attacks don't work sometimes and so on. Short version: The lag is destroying most of the skills.

The cloak is not intended as an vanish skill like you know from other games. In other games you have to wait up to 5 minutes (cooldown) for this vanish. Would cloak work like many of you want it to work... Beeing able to disappear everytime and everywhere as long as you have magicka? Seriously?
Then tanks should have a skill like magmar armour for 1,5k magicka. Ah no, right. This kind of skill has a long CD in other games and here it is an ultimate.

All I want to say:

There are two types of skills.
1. Skills that can be spammed without breaking the balance.
2. Skills that are too powerful for spamming them.

For the second case most of the games have a cooldown that is higher when the skill is more powerful. Ultimates are annother way to limitate skills so they won't be used all the time.

A 'working' cloak (you disappear and wont be interrupted) would be such a skill that must not be spammable.
Stealth-potions have a CD and they work like you want the cloak to work. I think ZOS does the cloak want to work in a different way.

That would be a valid argument if we had a class shield bone wall is ok but not worth the space maybe on your off bar, healing Ward is locked with resto and with cloak breaking is not problem for magic builds so also invalid. Annulment cost as much a cloak and only stop 2k damage for stamina builds as it shouldn't be its just not practical

Look at our class we don't get burst damage bonuses beside on the first attack from stealth we play that play style we don't have damage mitigation powers

The two most uniquely Nightblade power Blar (miss chance) and Shadow Cloak (invisibility pots) both can to used to far better ends by all classes and what the laundry list of things that counter or straight up breaks your cloak it needs a break Argo or combat it's only 2.9 secs and have to be spammed most times

With all classes arguing against giving Nightblades a class shield cause of burst then the thing used as a "shield" should work Ira not like popping cloak grants you stealth so you assassin passives kick in cause it doesn't

Lhorion

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Lhorion wrote: »

NBs in my guild told me cloak is nearly fine as it is. Usualle it works as it is intended. In huge fights it does not work fine, but what skill does work in huge battles. Leap? Leapbug! Charge? Chargebug! Ult? After an hour! Heavy attacks don't work sometimes and so on. Short version: The lag is destroying most of the skills.

The cloak is not intended as an vanish skill like you know from other games. In other games you have to wait up to 5 minutes (cooldown) for this vanish. Would cloak work like many of you want it to work... Beeing able to disappear everytime and everywhere as long as you have magicka? Seriously?
Then tanks should have a skill like magmar armour for 1,5k magicka. Ah no, right. This kind of skill has a long CD in other games and here it is an ultimate.

All I want to say:

There are two types of skills.
1. Skills that can be spammed without breaking the balance.
2. Skills that are too powerful for spamming them.

For the second case most of the games have a cooldown that is higher when the skill is more powerful. Ultimates are annother way to limitate skills so they won't be used all the time.

A 'working' cloak (you disappear and wont be interrupted) would be such a skill that must not be spammable.
Stealth-potions have a CD and they work like you want the cloak to work. I think ZOS does the cloak want to work in a different way.

That would be a valid argument if we had a class shield bone wall is ok but not worth the space maybe on your off bar, healing Ward is locked with resto and with cloak breaking is not problem for magic builds so also invalid. Annulment cost as much a cloak and only stop 2k damage for stamina builds as it shouldn't be its just not practical

Look at our class we don't get burst damage bonuses beside on the first attack from stealth we play that play style we don't have damage mitigation powers

The two most uniquely Nightblade power Blar (miss chance) and Shadow Cloak (invisibility pots) both can to used to far better ends by all classes and what the laundry list of things that counter or straight up breaks your cloak it needs a break Argo or combat it's only 2.9 secs and have to be spammed most times

With all classes arguing against giving Nightblades a class shield cause of burst then the thing used as a "shield" should work Ira not like popping cloak grants you stealth so you assassin passives kick in cause it doesn't

As I said: A cloak working as you want would be too powerful for a "normal" skill.
Boneshield is not okay, because it is no damage shield for the caster, the tooltip is a lie.
Harness is a bad choice for stamina NBs.
Stamina NBs have the best stamina regeneration and there are buils that let you dodge for years. Stamina builds have to use the cloak in some situations, but not as the main skill to get rid of damage. Dodging is the number one, cloaking in some situations. On my magicka build I can use my scales in a different way than I can use it with my stamina build. No reason to change scales.

In small fights cloak works very well. Magicka NBs can leave the combat when they want and even stamina NBs usually can if they use dodge roles in their fights. One of my guild mates plays a stamina NB. If he is in focus he is dodging and cloaking (depends on the situation), usually both. Most of the NBs I know think that cloak is fine now (in the past it wasn't -> I agree).

morf87

Some valid points in this thread and i would like to say i dont want cloak to be OP i just want it to be reliable. You can test for yourself in pve how unreliable it is, pull 3 or 4 mobs that dont all do the same attacks and you will be pulled out of cloak half the time, its even worse in pvp. Dont get me wrong there are times when i can escape a situation which would usually result in death but this doesnt happen often at all.
I could write paragraph's of how other classes have there major class defining skills work just fine but i dont want to turn this into a comparison of classes all i wish is for cloak to be reliable.
I like the idea of having it work like the vampire ultimate that makes u invisible but they would have to make it so aoe breaks it and other skills/situations. any chance someone @ZOS could look into the possibility of a change similar to the vamp ultimate that makes u invisible ?
Its beyond frustrating to PVP and be hit by gap closers and many other skills after roll dodging and using cloak, mayb the issue is not just cloak mayb its the lack of any other good defensive class skills or how other skils react to cloak idk, but having the reason u chose to play a NB fail half the time results in me not login in.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Lhorion wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Lhorion wrote: »

NBs in my guild told me cloak is nearly fine as it is. Usualle it works as it is intended. In huge fights it does not work fine, but what skill does work in huge battles. Leap? Leapbug! Charge? Chargebug! Ult? After an hour! Heavy attacks don't work sometimes and so on. Short version: The lag is destroying most of the skills.

The cloak is not intended as an vanish skill like you know from other games. In other games you have to wait up to 5 minutes (cooldown) for this vanish. Would cloak work like many of you want it to work... Beeing able to disappear everytime and everywhere as long as you have magicka? Seriously?
Then tanks should have a skill like magmar armour for 1,5k magicka. Ah no, right. This kind of skill has a long CD in other games and here it is an ultimate.

All I want to say:

There are two types of skills.
1. Skills that can be spammed without breaking the balance.
2. Skills that are too powerful for spamming them.

For the second case most of the games have a cooldown that is higher when the skill is more powerful. Ultimates are annother way to limitate skills so they won't be used all the time.

A 'working' cloak (you disappear and wont be interrupted) would be such a skill that must not be spammable.
Stealth-potions have a CD and they work like you want the cloak to work. I think ZOS does the cloak want to work in a different way.

That would be a valid argument if we had a class shield bone wall is ok but not worth the space maybe on your off bar, healing Ward is locked with resto and with cloak breaking is not problem for magic builds so also invalid. Annulment cost as much a cloak and only stop 2k damage for stamina builds as it shouldn't be its just not practical

Look at our class we don't get burst damage bonuses beside on the first attack from stealth we play that play style we don't have damage mitigation powers

The two most uniquely Nightblade power Blar (miss chance) and Shadow Cloak (invisibility pots) both can to used to far better ends by all classes and what the laundry list of things that counter or straight up breaks your cloak it needs a break Argo or combat it's only 2.9 secs and have to be spammed most times

With all classes arguing against giving Nightblades a class shield cause of burst then the thing used as a "shield" should work Ira not like popping cloak grants you stealth so you assassin passives kick in cause it doesn't

As I said: A cloak working as you want would be too powerful for a "normal" skill.
Boneshield is not okay, because it is no damage shield for the caster, the tooltip is a lie.
Harness is a bad choice for stamina NBs.
Stamina NBs have the best stamina regeneration and there are buils that let you dodge for years. Stamina builds have to use the cloak in some situations, but not as the main skill to get rid of damage. Dodging is the number one, cloaking in some situations. On my magicka build I can use my scales in a different way than I can use it with my stamina build. No reason to change scales.

In small fights cloak works very well. Magicka NBs can leave the combat when they want and even stamina NBs usually can if they use dodge roles in their fights. One of my guild mates plays a stamina NB. If he is in focus he is dodging and cloaking (depends on the situation), usually both. Most of the NBs I know think that cloak is fine now (in the past it wasn't -> I agree).

Everyone says this as if all stamina build should say to hell with break thought a shield and go pure regen to forever roll if I'm fighting im using stamina immovable and breaking free cost about the same for me so no need to have it I get the armor and spell resistance from using a shadow power
So hold stam to cc break when needed is better then wasting it keeping that power up

But even then blocking Knockbacks and ranged Crystal fragments Attackong and rolling to avoid damage all puts a heavy drain on your stamina with 2945 stamina regen 43 in Warlord to get Stamina cost reduction, full medium armor and three gold stamina cost reduction enchants

When the fight gets to the point that you have to get away at the very best you have half stamina rolling with that same does save you but channels blow thought that what the Radiant Destruction spammers it saves you less then you would think between DoTs and RD rolling can be useless that's where Dark Cloak should save you removes 4 DoTs and kills single target locks and channels

(radiant destruction of course being the exception because it goes through your cloak still)

Ender1310

I love the stamina changes. With that said my typical stamina NB (dwl wield, bow/twohnd sword) feels so under powered. I feel that cloak could change all of that. If I could reliably get away and keep attacking from stealth I might..might have a chance in cyrodil. Note: I am squishy and depend on getting that stealth blow. Now I can two shot some players in cyrodil but as soon as I run into that DK or mage or templar..or anyone that stacks the damage shields and the heals I am dead. I think that cloak would fix this..give me a chance and create utility for my class. and Game play..I do not think it would be op'ed at all, but I do understand that maybe someone could come up with a build that could abuse it. So yeah fix cloak.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

@Lhorion I see your point about it would be OP but look at your kill counter Nightblades are your most killed class and ask you friends to do the same as a Nightblade I love to get the Nightblade bounty cloak is a joke most of us use it just to remove four DoTs

deepseamk20b14_ESO

It will never be fixed. Get over it I guess. It bothers me still but what can we do? ZoS doesn't give a damn.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

^^^ it's not like none of us don't know this that power is just a cheap purge that same times let you disappear

Lhorion

NB and sorc are played by maany players at the moment ( my experiences). Sorcs can blink away and shoot into the zergfight from the side. Stamina NBs have two choices:
1. Meele in the zergfight - They die Instant because a stamina (DPS) NB is not made for surviving focus by many people.
2. Bow from the side - they can die really fast cause they cannot shieldstack while having burst. Is this a NB-issue? No! It is a sorc- issue having an incredible burst ans survive build.

This is one situation ( zergfight) that makes NBs beeing dead after a short time.

In smallscale PVP this situation is much different. NBs can cloak because of no lag destroying cloak and many other skills. So in smallscale NBs have great burst, great sustain, great surviving and good stamina NBs are the best way to kill those shieldstack-BoL-sorcs.

Conclusion:
NBs surviving depends on the situation. The reason you got your NB-kill-quest very fast might be the fact that so many guys are trying to fight with a smallscale stamina build in a zerg.
Okay.... There is not much smallscale anymore, but that is a other discussion.

If you look at the other classes: They all have zergbuilds and smallscale builds that are different ( expect sorcs with the allround- build)!

Sylveria_Relden

Experientially, I found the actual implementation of NB cloak and the whole line laughable at best.

Any class in this game can use Sneak- and the one skill line/differentiating factor that a NB has available is nerfed out of fear into almost uselessness. They really need to have a good look at the whole sneak/stealth/cloak and skill lines for NB and either make them viable or remove them completely, IMO. Right now it's absurdly mediocre at best.

Those who can't "stealth" are afraid of being owned by players who can- but then again, you've got the choice to roll one yourself and try it out if you think it's "easymode".

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

@Lhorion this is far from true a stamina Nightblade needs to have burst to win most fight and for survivability you need roll dodge one is power the other is regen

Where as Sorcs simply need to get full magic it has not penalties more magic more power like stamina, more magic stronger shield cause it scales off of magic not Health like Dragon Knights and Templars a DPS had 15k+ damage sheild it's not even close to the same

technohic

I started using Radiant Magelight and I have to say, this just added to the LOLs as far as the state of a stealthy NB goes. Thought stam NB was going to be pretty awesome, and sometimes they are, but I think the builds like what Sypher uses is far better.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

What all the stealth counters you would think in work more then a third of the time

technohic

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

What all the stealth counters you would think in work more then a third of the time

Yeah, I agree. I actually took magelight just to advert the damage from distant sniping vultures who like to plink you while you are in the middle of a fight, and keep re-steealthing to get the damage again and again. I was kind of surprised how effective it was on detecting. I think its fine to combat the every day class that can stealth, but I do think NBs should have something to make them more of experts on it.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

ZOS look at Nightblades forum post then pull up their Data Matrix and say that they are managing to still win with Nightblade being every one both most kills and most killed class and think we'll that's banlaced enough

Lhorion

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

@Lhorion this is far from true a stamina Nightblade needs to have burst to win most fight and for survivability you need roll dodge one is power the other is regen

Where as Sorcs simply need to get full magic it has not penalties more magic more power like stamina, more magic stronger shield cause it scales off of magic not Health like Dragon Knights and Templars a DPS had 15k+ damage sheild it's not even close to the same

Right, this problem with sorcs needs to be rethought. But on EU server the most dangerous enemies for sorcs are good stamina NBs. they ignore Harness, have nice burst and great sustain for a stamina regen build. Vanish can be used, but just in some situations - not as a spammable skill.

Cody

Phew! good thing you did not say "damage shield" doing that attracts truly disgusting creatures....

ANYWAY, yes, cloak is broken and useless half the time. the dang potions seem to work better.

Detection potions now have a 20-30 meter detection radius, and a 41 second duration(30 without buffs, which is long in PvP terms) so now cloak is even MORE useless than before.

cloak is useful for the mini-purge, dark cloak, and for getting behind someone, but thats it. It is not a stealth ability. Its best we all stop using it as such, or just roll a different class like I did.

Cody

Lhorion wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Lhorion wrote: »

NBs in my guild told me cloak is nearly fine as it is. Usualle it works as it is intended. In huge fights it does not work fine, but what skill does work in huge battles. Leap? Leapbug! Charge? Chargebug! Ult? After an hour! Heavy attacks don't work sometimes and so on. Short version: The lag is destroying most of the skills.

The cloak is not intended as an vanish skill like you know from other games. In other games you have to wait up to 5 minutes (cooldown) for this vanish. Would cloak work like many of you want it to work... Beeing able to disappear everytime and everywhere as long as you have magicka? Seriously?
Then tanks should have a skill like magmar armour for 1,5k magicka. Ah no, right. This kind of skill has a long CD in other games and here it is an ultimate.

All I want to say:

There are two types of skills.
1. Skills that can be spammed without breaking the balance.
2. Skills that are too powerful for spamming them.

For the second case most of the games have a cooldown that is higher when the skill is more powerful. Ultimates are annother way to limitate skills so they won't be used all the time.

A 'working' cloak (you disappear and wont be interrupted) would be such a skill that must not be spammable.
Stealth-potions have a CD and they work like you want the cloak to work. I think ZOS does the cloak want to work in a different way.

That would be a valid argument if we had a class shield bone wall is ok but not worth the space maybe on your off bar, healing Ward is locked with resto and with cloak breaking is not problem for magic builds so also invalid. Annulment cost as much a cloak and only stop 2k damage for stamina builds as it shouldn't be its just not practical

Look at our class we don't get burst damage bonuses beside on the first attack from stealth we play that play style we don't have damage mitigation powers

The two most uniquely Nightblade power Blar (miss chance) and Shadow Cloak (invisibility pots) both can to used to far better ends by all classes and what the laundry list of things that counter or straight up breaks your cloak it needs a break Argo or combat it's only 2.9 secs and have to be spammed most times

With all classes arguing against giving Nightblades a class shield cause of burst then the thing used as a "shield" should work Ira not like popping cloak grants you stealth so you assassin passives kick in cause it doesn't

As I said: A cloak working as you want would be too powerful for a "normal" skill.
Boneshield is not okay, because it is no damage shield for the caster, the tooltip is a lie.
Harness is a bad choice for stamina NBs.
Stamina NBs have the best stamina regeneration and there are buils that let you dodge for years. Stamina builds have to use the cloak in some situations, but not as the main skill to get rid of damage. Dodging is the number one, cloaking in some situations. On my magicka build I can use my scales in a different way than I can use it with my stamina build. No reason to change scales.

In small fights cloak works very well. Magicka NBs can leave the combat when they want and even stamina NBs usually can if they use dodge roles in their fights. One of my guild mates plays a stamina NB. If he is in focus he is dodging and cloaking (depends on the situation), usually both. Most of the NBs I know think that cloak is fine now (in the past it wasn't -> I agree).

why would it be too powerful of a skill?

with the 30 meter 41 second duration detection potions, the fact cloak only lasts 2.5 seconds and is a serious drain on stamina NBs, i fail to see how it would be OP.

maybe for magicka NBs it could be.

BrassRazoo

I'm sick of NBs just vanishing right in front of your eyes while they have a bunch of guys shooting (and hitting) them.