The obvious exploiters, what can general players do

HeroOfNone

First off, NO NAMING AND SHAMING. It is against ZOS policy and will get you in trouble.

This is a post to discuss what we as a community can do about known hackers and exploiters; AD, DC, and EP. We all know a couple exploiters that have made their names around onto streams, youtube, etc. and who are exploiting several ways, from what seems to be permanent 75% damage reduction bugs and shield stacking. its not lag, its not some issue of not understanding how armor works, its enemies that will take 100-200 damage from normal players and maybe around 700 from siege. My expectation is that ZOS will review the reports they see on these individuals and ban them temporarily if they see them doing something, but they can still come back, whether by waiting out their ban or by using another key.

In the meantime, during the time that they do play, alliance leaders need to let their group members know to abandon them and don't assist them. Killing enemy alliance members does look tasty, but any sort of intentional help for these individuals is just enabling it. I am in no way saying to forsake your war efforts either, but if you see these individuals pulled away kicking and screaming, maybe look the other way for a while. I'm sure opposing alliances would form warbands just to hunt down some of these folks.

If others have other player suggestions in how to deal with these folks, within the scope as what we can do as players and within the ZOS terms of service, I am more than willing to back up any friendly player based agreement we can come up with that discourages this behavior and minimizes their impact to the Campaigns.

Thank you.

PainfulFAFA

heroofnoneb14_ESO wrote: »

First off, NO NAMING AND SHAMING. It is against ZOS policy and will get you in trouble.

This is a post to discuss what we as a community can do about known hackers and exploiters; AD, DC, and EP. We all know a couple exploiters that have made their names around onto streams, youtube, etc. and who are exploiting several ways, from what seems to be permanent 75% damage reduction bugs and shield stacking. its not lag, its not some issue of not understanding how armor works, its enemies that will take 100-200 damage from normal players and maybe around 700 from siege. My expectation is that ZOS will review the reports they see on these individuals and ban them temporarily if they see them doing something, but they can still come back, whether by waiting out their ban or by using another key.

In the meantime, during the time that they do play, alliance leaders need to let their group members know to abandon them and don't assist them. Killing enemy alliance members does look tasty, but any sort of intentional help for these individuals is just enabling it. I am in no way saying to forsake your war efforts either, but if you see these individuals pulled away kicking and screaming, maybe look the other way for a while. I'm sure opposing alliances would form warbands just to hunt down some of these folks.

If others have other player suggestions in how to deal with these folks, within the scope as what we can do as players and within the ZOS terms of service, I am more than willing to back up any friendly player based agreement we can come up with that discourages this behavior and minimizes their impact to the Campaigns.

Thank you.

Its sad to know that it takes 1 guild to manipulate that map.

As an EP, Lagblade (NA), I stayed away from assisting certain guilds i had suspicions on, unless it was for my Alliance's sake.There probably about 2-4 guilds anyways, there are plenty of ways to go about Cyrodiil besides following their scripted attacks.

As an AD, Thornblade (NA), quite frankly, there aren't that many.There's probably about 1-2 legitimate PvP guilds that do the tactical calls (and AP farms). When they go, AD goes...

DC, Thornblade (NA), don't even get me started.

The point is, these people use a combination of zone chat manipulation, pug leadership, and intentionally causing lag, to get what they want. Some will deny it, some will troll, but it I've seen it all.

Seth_Black

True
Cyrodiil feels like there's no rules whatsoever.
I know it's a WAR ...but give me a brake.
Gigantic 'LAG Groups' work basically like denial of service
as it states: an interruption in an authorized user's access to a computer network, typically one caused with malicious intent.
Problem is: 'Yes, but ZOS said Cyrodiil is designed for massive PvP experience'
...but YOU'RE the one who knows that sending 60 people to one keep will cause lag in there while you can take 10 and attack 4 keeps in a row...
They call it strategy
I call it stupid and ruining the whole PvP.

In short
ALL alliances have guilds that cheat their way into emperor even.
And that's why I'm out of that zone till it gets better

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

In terms of social interaction patterns, this feels very much like a schoolyard bully finally managing to make everyone stay indoors during recess rather than risk interacting with him in any way. When even his "friends" have left him and he is all alone in the schoolyard, he has finally "won", but then it dawns on him that he didn't think this through.

Turelus

There was cases over on the EU servers last year of one specific player who while as an Emperor was using several bugs (speed bug, 100x damage caltrops bug and many more) to his advantage.

I have previously had a warning for posting about this and spreading rumours and misinformation, so I want to make clear TAKE THE FOLLOWING WITH A GRAIN OF SALT, THERE IS NO PROOF.

This is what was reported to have happened.

1. The player was reported several times, had video footage posted on the forums proving these events happened.
2. The player worked with GM staff to explain and show how the bugs happened and how it wasn't his fault, however he refused to stop doing PVP until they were fixed and thus kept using them.
3. The bugs were fixed and the player was subjected to a permanent ban.
4. The player petitioned the ban as unfair on the grounds they he helped ZOS locate and fix the bug.
5. The players ban was changed to 2 weeks, this was again petitioned and the ban eventually lifted.

All the prior information was gained via RL friend of the said player, again this could all be BS we were fed to make us angry, but that's how the situation worked from what we heard.

As ZOS will not disclose how they handle bans (not individual cases but the whole system as a standard) then we will never know what's expected of those who do break the games rules.

Kaghei

Get them to exploit on the pts, that will get them banned for sure

IxSTALKERxI

I was defending keeps today, normally it's a fairly straight forward task, however 2 people came in the breach using this exploit and made life difficult for the defenders which allowed the rest of their faction in. Two people exploiting can greatly impact a keep defence and I hope players on their faction try to avoid playing with these players until ZOS deals with them.

It's so sad these individuals have to exploit. I don't know what they are trying to achieve. They clearly are skilless players if they have to resort to such measures. Please get rid of them as they are ruining everyone's PVP experience.

iseko

To be fair its becoming quite the arms race. You bring one raid, they bring 2. You bring 2 ts raids and a pug raid. They bring four. In the end you just crash the client. Rinse and repeat.

kevlarto_ESO

I hope everyone is reporting any one they think is exploiting, cheating,hacking, I know it seems like nothing ever happens to these players, but if they get enough reports I would hope ZOS would at least look into it.

Teeba_Shei

You wouldn't happen to be talking about the two EP sorcs whose name starts with B would you?

HeroOfNone

The lag is an issue and especially with groups that intentionally cause it. it is another thing that should be discouraged by all alliances. Any victory, kill, or keep take these folks get is something that is validating their tactics with pugs and lowering the standards. Keep in mind though, we're talking the obvious exploit though, not the conspiracy theories and organic arms race of zerg verses zerg. It is a little sad some on the forums and in game have said they will use any tools to win this war, and the use of lag is almost akin to using nerve gas, except we have no Geneva convention to agree not to use it.

But in the case of my original post, no intention is really needed, you can see the reduced damage through various addons or by just observing their health bars and damage shields remain unchanged after taking a trebuchet hit to the face. I doubt that many using exploits like this are doing it to be altruistic in revealing how it works, and for how they harrass other factions it seems to be more like trolling and griefing.

All this said, I don't feel any faction is supporting thsee blatant hacks, most seem unaware that they were even there. When I sent a few whispers out to the opposing faction, most folks were friendly enough to comply with getting away from them and agreed they weren't looking to group up with them at any time. At this point it's a shame but I have to really look toward the veterans of PVP to let their own faction know we have things like this going on with certain individuals. Tells, party chat, guild chat, zone chat, the word should be put out there so pugs and regulars don't get grouped up with them unintentionally and so they don't benefit on the hard work of others.

As for the name and shame policy, I get it, but it makes me walk a very narrow tightrope and I feel is hurting the community at this point. Accusations are one thing, but after someone has been confirmed and punished for exploitung, promoting exploits, etc. it should be something we can talk openly about. It serves this community better to help us socially police ourselves and keeps things more transparent. Look at DOTA's communications reports . It's not to say something exactly like that has to be followed, but it benefited their community to make the reporting more transparent and reduced some of the negativity. Even in dream the exposure to if someone has a VAC ban helps folks determine " do I really want to associate with this guy who was banned for exploiting and then spewing racial slurs?"


Took a bit of a side track toward the end there, but hopefully most of us in our various alliances can agree these exploits and cheats are not acceptable behavior that we want to enable in any way.

Zheg

Synapsis123 wrote: »

You wouldn't happen to be talking about the two EP sorcs whose name starts with B would you?

I've run into people where I scrunch up my face and go hmm, I hit pretty damn hard, maybe they had multiple shields up and my add-ons just weren't working right, but there's enough of a chance of that happening that I wouldn't instantly shout 'exploiter'. But the two sorcs you mention don't even try to hide it, it's just done blatantly, constantly, in the open, with zero repercussions. ZOS should be ashamed of themselves for not permanently banning players like this. Most other games would have in game GMs that could take care of this - finding one in ESO is like finding a unicorn, especially in pvp.

They were trolling our raid group last night on chillrend, and ultimately the only solution is to just ignore them. Otherwise you waste your resources and energy. ZOS needs to light a fire under their butts and take action on this before everyone and their mother is pulling this crap. Can we name and shame 'you' ZOS for allowing this to continue? Even if you were to just threaten bans, that would probably be enough to dissuade most people. Given how horrendous the veteran grind is right now, who in their right mind would want to go make a new character and level them up to v14 just so they can exploit?

JaJaLuka

I'm not entirely convinced that shield stacking is an exploit, an annoying mechanic yes, but an exploit? Unless they are utilizing a mechanic in game that intentionally breaks the written code (for example the perma 75% damage debuff from mist form) then it's not cheating.

Moving away from what is and isn't cheating; I think there does need to be some backlash from fellow players against cheaters. The big problem is that different people have different interpretations of cheating, on what is intentional and not intended mechanics by the dev's and may have different stand points and tolerance levels within the game. The consequences of leaving someone to die might include making a false interpretation on an exploit (example; someone might not be cheating at all and get left to die, from there the repercussions might be that the person who followed this advise from the OP gets alienated and perhaps even bullied by their team mates and begin to hate the game).

I would seriously consider revising the advise given in this post as some people may get mislead on what you actually mean here. I for one however know exactly who you're talking about and what they are doing (one of their exploits is detailed above) and agree that these players should have been permanently banned months ago.

Ezareth

I just ignore those players because they're trashcans and focus on other EP players who are not exploiting. They know me since I've made videos of them and focus me all the time which is fine by me but the only time they kill me is with random executes when other players knock me down etc.

The best way to deal with these kind of players is ignore them (Since ZoS doesn't really care to ban actual exploiters). They don't play this game for the sense of competition and challenge, they're just trolls of the most common sort.

Vis

I have submitted video to ZOS on some of the most notorious exploiters using the DR exploit from mist form. @ZOS_GinaBruno I would be more than happy to send you copies because the rest of your customer service team have let them continue with this blatant exploit for weeks now.

Rook_Master

You troll a RP event, and the GMs will descend upon you like ravenous hyenas.

You troll the entire PvP server with hacks and exploits, totally cool, 2-week suspension if popular outcry demands it.

Turelus

JaJaLuka wrote: »

Moving away from what is and isn't cheating; I think there does need to be some backlash from fellow players against cheaters. The big problem is that different people have different interpretations of cheating, on what is intentional and not intended mechanics by the dev's and may have different stand points and tolerance levels within the game. The consequences of leaving someone to die might include making a false interpretation on an exploit (example; someone might not be cheating at all and get left to die, from there the repercussions might be that the person who followed this advise from the OP gets alienated and perhaps even bullied by their team mates and begin to hate the game).

Bold for the part I wanted to reply to. Sadly this is hard to do because ZOS don't take a stance on what is and isn't an exploit. The last massive events which caused out cry they made a post saying it was abuse, then back peddled into saying it was "a grey area".

I have stated many times how I feel they need to take a more clear cut approach to the bigger exploits (75% one being the most known now) and push them up the priority list as well as making clear statements about it being a bug and abuse will be punished.

I will link again how CCP Games (developers of EVE Online) handle cases like this. They make a news article clearly stating that it's abuse, then working on a fix ASAP. Link for news update from CCP.

However ZOS seem to take the approach most MMO games companies do which is cover it up by deleting threads in the hopes information doesn't spread, and hoping the issue will go away or to fix it eventually.
Sure this might stop the masses from finding and abusing said bug, however the news of how it's done can normally be found on other forums or passed on in game, via VOIP etc.

At this point many customers get frustrated because they see a lack of response from ZOS in regards to the issue, the same known players abusing it and believe nothing is happening.

A simple forums post from a GM saying "We are investigating the issue however due to our policies can't talk about any actions taken against individual players."
We saw ZOS take action and admit mass bans during the opening weeks when the item duplications were happening, however since then they haven't really (to my knowledge and please correct me) stood up and stated anything as a broken mechanic which is being abused and working to fix it.

HeroOfNone

I'd still like to focus on what we can do (the community) rather than what we don't have significant influence over (the exploiters and ZOS policies)


the only thing more frustrating in this seems to be when we have individuals like this that intentionally try and ruin the fun of the majority, their alliance becomes unwitting tools to enable further damage. Some may do this intentionally, but I believe the majority are not. So, let's discuss a simple gentleman's agreement to avoid these individuals so the can be ignored without it requiring a long rule set of when and where to fight, but a simple cold shoulder when they are fighting other enemies. its not going to be perfect till the issue is dealt with on ZOS's end, but as they have said, the 3 alliances make for some strange treaties, at least to deal with the here and now.

NukeAllTheThings

What needs to be done is simple. Keep making formal reports to comply with their processes. Next, there needs to be video of these things. Sure it will probably be deleted on this site because of the "name & shame" rug ZOS likes to sweep things under. But those videos can be posted in many other places to get visibility. Every single game I have played in the last 5 years would have hundreds of videos of exploits, cheats and hacks. ESO has little to no video of these things. We get a ton of accusations but rarely are these things exposed.

You see a cheat.....record & post it to youtube. You think someone or some guild is intentionally lag the server....record & post it to youtube. If these things are out there for all to see then ZOS will have the ability to truly identify the culprits and see their actions and the public exposure will most likely force ZOS to act.

Reports are nice, accusations are nice....video is fact and forces action.

JTorus

This is going to be lengthy, but I wanted to chime in. I suspect a lot of people somewhat jaded when it comes to reporting these issues. There are plenty of comments on the forums where individuals claim ZOS doesn't care. This thread is a great place to hopefully see that attitude reversed.

Using the in-game /bug or /feedback command absolutely works. It opens a ticket for review, and you receive an email saying as such. A real live non-automated human being will respond to you. While we will never hear about the result, I'm confident ZOS is taking these complaints seriously. Lets just say that I've absolutely 100% noticed particular behaviors from specific individuals immediately cease after they've been reported.

Just remember, this shouldn't ever be about a personal vendetta, or becoming some social justice warrior. This is only about maintaining the integrity of the game and ensuring it remains balanced and enjoyable for all players, new, old and returning. This is not about seeing someone removed from the game, this is about stopping the cheating and exploiting.

So, What do you do?

First, Understanding the TOS This is the most important part.

Lets start with the link ->Zenimax Media TOS.

They're a pretty standard set of terms as far as software/games go. This is your ammunition, your basis for filing a report.

In summary, like most pieces of software, you do not own it, you're licensed to use it, ZOS can revoke that privilege at any time, for any reason. They state they are not obligated to deliver any final result of product performance. You waive the right to any class action measures and acknowledge you may be responsible for any fees incurred by ZOS should you decide to litigate. They can terminate your account at any time, for any reason, or no reason at all. It vaguely outlines what behavior/activity is unacceptable in a generalized enough way so that the final decision is at ZOS's discretion. Also most if not all of these terms are sustained beyond your account's termination, voluntary or otherwise.

At this point, we've all agreed to these conditions. (Remember patching to 1.6 we all had to re-agree to everything?) When it comes to cheating, exploiting , intentionally lagging the server... it's all clearly prohibited in the TOS. Furthermore, when you see someone doing those things, you are obligated to notify ZOS.

(I am only parsing certain segments, relevant to the conversation)

8. Rules of Conduct

You agree not to use any Service to:

Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;

Engage in disruptive behavior in chat areas, game areas, forums, or any other area or aspect of the Services. Examples of disruptive behavior include, but is not limited to, conduct which interferes with the normal flow of gameplay or dialogue within a Service, vulgar language, abusiveness, hitting the return key repeatedly or inputting large images so the screen goes by too fast to read, use of excessive shouting [i.e., all text in capitals] in an attempt to disturb other users, "spamming" or flooding [i.e., posting repetitive text], commercial postings, solicitations and advertisements, posting advertising or promotional messaging, chain letters, pyramid schemes, or other commercial activities.

9. Your Use of the Services

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

Basically, we've all agreed not to exploit un-intended game mechanics; we've agreed not to intentionally 'lagsploit' and we've all agreed that we'll report it when we see it.

Second, Making a report.

EVIDENCE! Having proof is key. Most of you have seen an episode of Judge Judy by now right? You all know how she reacts when someone shows up, makes an accusation and then can't substantiate it.

If you witness or even suspect something is wrong, you must back it up. Take a screen cap, make a recording, document what time, what campaign, location. Some addons offer map coordinates, utilize that if you can. Anything that will allow ZOS to dig back through audit trails only helps your case.

Obviously as @heroofnoneb14_ESO said, there's no naming and shaming, so you'll have to supply this information to ZOS and keep it private. Post it to imgur, youtube, dropbox are all good ways to store the evidence, just do not publicly share it. You absolutely want to provide a link to your backup in the report. Keep everything consolidated under one message. Make it EASY for ZOS.

Lastly, Be Civil!!!

It should go without saying; Be polite! The employee receiving your ticket didn't cheat, they didn't code the game, they're just some person with a job and there's already enough people fussing at them. Be nice, though it is okay to state your frustration, don't be rude. Don't curse and, proofread your message; spend just a few moments on it. It makes all the difference. Also, make sure you're not breaking any rules yourself, kinda undermines your whole point if you're not behaving either.

A report should be simple, precise, polite, and even cite the TOS if you like. You don't know who's reading it, what you do want it to be sure it doesn't get dismissed, but addressed or forwarded on to the individuals who are responsible for dealing with cheaters and exploiters. Odds are your message will get bounced around a few times, so by keeping it simple and easy to understand, it will help expedite the matter.

For example:


Hello,

I am reporting a character by the name of Sticky_Teriyaki_007 for exploiting an in game mechanic. You can view the screencaps/video at http://blahblah_url.local. This behavior was witnessed at 16:56 hours (eastern time) on April 2nd 2015. The individual in question can quite clearly be seen, naked, riding a deer through Dragonclaw which as I understand is a violation of your TOS Section 8 bullet point 8.

Thank you and Hail Sithis.


Finally, I would urge you not to speak to the individual themselves. Don't tell them you've reported them, don't engage them, just walk away. Be the mature one.

There are more players in Cyrodiil than there are ZOS employees. (Though I'm pretty sure some of the employees are playing the game *cough* @ZOS_BrianWheeler *cough* DC Scum *cough*) WE are just as responsible for the integrity of the game as they are. Getting frustrated on the forums and spitting vitriol in the heat of frustration only cultivates a toxic environment. If enough of us take the time to report the few ruining the game experience it will be addressed. Even if it takes us witnessing and reporting it every day.

Now everyone come settle up by the fire and sing kumbaya.

Gorthax

you guys are all aware that ZoS will do nothing. Want proof? Look up old threads, find two people in question, go to chillrend, find said exploiters/hackers still there. Either everyone starts exploiting and hacking so ZoS will finally take care of it, or just stop reporting people (i have reported OBVIOUS people hacking before and here they are today still running around doing it)

EDIT: by old I mean LAUNCH MONTH last year all the way into september 2014 and then said people took a break and are back at it again.

Vis

NukeAllTheThings wrote: »

ESO has little to no video of these things. We get a ton of accusations but rarely are these things exposed.

That is false. I sent them documented video last week of those "two" using the exploit and they considered the case "closed". I am sending more video (recorded last night) today in another ticket. @ZOS_GinaBruno would you like a copy of this new video?

Slurg

ZOS doesn't provide the outcome of their investigations so I agree with the OP you're kind of on your own here. I saw the threads on the offenders I think you're talking about without naming going back to last year and am a little puzzled why this is allowed to continue.

Which makes me wonder, if you guys are providing copious evidence of exploits yet these people are still exploiting, are the whole bunch of you being used to test skills for possible exploits in live game play (they are the testers, and you are the fodder)?

HeroOfNone

As JTorus mentioned, a prerequisite for this is to report report, report. Use things like screenshots, recordings, and other media. But, that's typically AFTER and incident.

As rook-master brought up though, GMs will typically respond to harrassment incidents faster than exploit complaints, and it typically requires less evidence to get a response. and as a few others have mentioned here, a lot of these individuals are trolling and griefing the rest of the server actively. Hell, when i report domeone putting the scroll in slaughter fish water as harassment i do see a faster response. So should the standard action be:

1. anyone willing opens a harassment ticket when they are spotted using the low damage exploit. They aren't there to play fair at this point, they are there to grief
2. For the enemy factions it will be pretty obvious and recordable and screen shot able in combat log statistics. For the alliance stuck with them, report them for bothering your group And following them around
3. Play as normal, clip dome screenshots and record videos
4. After your gaming session open a 2nd ticket on the exploits, citing the cheating and exploiting reason.

A lot of extra work I know, but I would prefer to see something done rather than have to leave pvp in frustration.

Oh, and as for evidence I had about 30 minutes of my stream recording this. Hopefully something gets done with that.

cozmon3c_ESO

these two fools on EP Chillrend with names starting with B are still on chillrend with who knows how many tickets made for them for there damage exploit. Shields do not mitigate damage but guess what theirs do, to the point of doing 0 damage with most attacks. ZoS moderators are all over pve, banning people for messing with RP'ers lol, but when you get an exploiter in a competitive pvp environment. guess who is still running around. this lack of action is just outrageous, maybe zos employees made to many mistaken bans and dont know how to tell if someone is just mad they died or who is exploiting for real. but i can tell you that i have not seen anyone really hacking in this game, except these two jack hole sorcs. i see them every day, ZoS. its time to ban these obvious hackers/exploiters.

Lettigall

Turelus wrote: »

There was cases over on the EU servers last year of one specific player who while as an Emperor was using several bugs (speed bug, 100x damage caltrops bug and many more) to his advantage.

I have previously had a warning for posting about this and spreading rumours and misinformation, so I want to make clear TAKE THE FOLLOWING WITH A GRAIN OF SALT, THERE IS NO PROOF.

This is what was reported to have happened.

1. The player was reported several times, had video footage posted on the forums proving these events happened.
2. The player worked with GM staff to explain and show how the bugs happened and how it wasn't his fault, however he refused to stop doing PVP until they were fixed and thus kept using them.
3. The bugs were fixed and the player was subjected to a permanent ban.
4. The player petitioned the ban as unfair on the grounds they he helped ZOS locate and fix the bug.
5. The players ban was changed to 2 weeks, this was again petitioned and the ban eventually lifted.

All the prior information was gained via RL friend of the said player, again this could all be BS we were fed to make us angry, but that's how the situation worked from what we heard.

As ZOS will not disclose how they handle bans (not individual cases but the whole system as a standard) then we will never know what's expected of those who do break the games rules.

Know about whom you speaking, reported him also with video proof aaaaand ZOS did nothing. After that I don't waste my time reporting cheaters because I'm sure that nothing will be done...

NukeAllTheThings

Vis wrote: »

NukeAllTheThings wrote: »

ESO has little to no video of these things. We get a ton of accusations but rarely are these things exposed.

That is false. I sent them documented video last week of those "two" using the exploit and they considered the case "closed". I am sending more video (recorded last night) today in another ticket. @ZOS_GinaBruno would you like a copy of this new video?

Post it here, post it on reddit, post it to twitter, post it on every site possible. It is easy for them to do nothing about it and just brush it off because these things receive zero publicity.

I went through this exact same stuff w/ DICE and the release of BF4. It was always the customer's fault and it was working as intended. NOTHING happened until boards and youtube were flooded with videos of their broken game. All of a sudden about 8 months in they started admitting stuff was broken and started fixing it.

Cody

ESO is a cheaters paradise.

we all have to get used to it, ZOS will not do anything about these cheaters.

Avoid playing with or against these players at all costs. do not let them in groups, do not help them if they get attacked. If you are on an opposing faction and you cannot stay away due to utter rage(:D) then find other like minded people and hunt those cheaters down. Kill them constantly and make sure they cannot interfere with the good people performing actual PvP. you will be praised as heros if you do:D

DisgracefulMind

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

these two fools on EP Chillrend with names starting with B are still on chillrend with who knows how many tickets made for them for there damage exploit. Shields do not mitigate damage but guess what theirs do, to the point of doing 0 damage with most attacks. ZoS moderators are all over pve, banning people for messing with RP'ers lol, but when you get an exploiter in a competitive pvp environment. guess who is still running around. this lack of action is just outrageous, maybe zos employees made to many mistaken bans and dont know how to tell if someone is just mad they died or who is exploiting for real. but i can tell you that i have not seen anyone really hacking in this game, except these two jack hole sorcs. i see them every day, ZoS. its time to ban these obvious hackers/exploiters.

And to think, @Germtrocity and I got a 3 day ban once for some innocent ERP while people who exploit the game don't get anything done to them. What has Tamriel come to!?!? :'c

Telel

Pity no one here knows anyone who has a major gaming blog, and or access to gaming publications.

You can bet that if multiple 'new's outlets began asking why ZOS let those two 'skilled' players break their game we'd be seeing some action on the matter.

Rojnaar

Publish "how to's" on the exploits. Maybe if the short-bus crew at zos can be taught how to do it, they can figure out how to fix it.