whats the word on sorcers are they OP or underpowered

TraumaHawk

heard a lot of chatter while back but didn't delve into the thread much before it was gone and wondered whats the consencus on sorcerers dps

LameoveR

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/152589/1-6-5-sorcerer-detailed-balance-feedback/p1
Almost no positive changes from topic start date.

Pappa

Most Sorcs will say they have been nerfed, other classes will say they have not, meanwhile the devs have their fingers in their ears shouting "la la la la", hoping the issue will just fade away

pppontus

They are just.. powered.

Exactly as good as any other class.

Sublime

Depends 100% on who you ask, from my personal experience I think we got a buff from 1.5 to 1.6 regarding both PvE and PvP.

asteldian

In PvP they are very powerful, that is the only area anyone states they are OP.
In PvP they are pretty good, not pet magicka builds are posting over 13k and that number seems to continue to rise. Comparing stamina builds they need some tinkering as I do not think the class really offers much compared to others. That said they still reach high numbers that would be enough for any content.

s7732425ub17_ESO

Sorcs are gods in PVP.

Magicka Sorcs are decent in PVE. They have good damage and can self-sustain very easily. These traits are important for running Vet dungeons. However, in Trials, you don't really need self sustain and want to just focus on damage and utility that you can provide to the group, and this is where Sorcs are lacking.

Cuyler

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Sorcs are gods in PVP.

Magicka Sorcs are decent in PVE. They have good damage and can self-sustain very easily. These traits are important for running Vet dungeons. However, in Trials, you don't really need self sustain and want to just focus on damage and utility that you can provide to the group, and this is where Sorcs are lacking.

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DHale

I play a templar but in PVP get wrecked by Sorcs a lot. I can take down a DK FAR more easily than a sorc. Crystal frags, deardric curse, overload light attacks hit me for 7-12k each and I only have 24k health. If they were nerfed I am not seeing it... or feeling it. Flame lash from a DK does 4-6 k damage talons 2-5k sorry not seeing it.

eventide03b14a_ESO

They are OP nerfed better worse after update 6. Also super powerful suck and awesome terrible. Their spells are useless OP and not worth it awesome. But their DPS is insane suck not worth it but take all the spells from other lines and sorcerer trees. I hope that cleared it up for you.

Mumnoch

pppontus wrote: »

They are just.. powered.

Exactly as good as any other class.

Lying is bad you know that right?

Don't roll a Sorc, don't play a Sorc, they are 2nd (or 3rd or 4th) fiddle for EVERY roll this game has to offer. The only place they are even remotely on equal footing with the other classes is solely in PVP and that is ONLY because they have a lot of movement abilities.

Zenimax wants Sorc's to be a 2 button class that does crap for DPS and so they made them that way. Check these forum's or any other forum's out on the web and you'll see numbers that support this. I mean who would want to struggle and run a perfect rotation popping pot's etc for 12k DPS when you can run any of the other classes and pull 15k+ DPS?

TraumaHawk

ok and one other thing I wanted to make an imperial sorcer for the luck bonus however I don't see imperial? how do I make imperial I have the original game and pack bought pre-order long ago did they do away with imperial? edit nvm i found it

Tankqull

it depends on the enemy because of the way their classspells work a good player can easily negate them to the point where a singel hot covers their dmg and thus they are utterly underpowered while a player who has not the slightest clue about how sorcs work is dieing within a fraction of a second claiming that they are overpowered.

as allways the truth lies in between.

but they are the kings of leaving a fight with the current shabby implementastion of NBs cloaking ability otherwise they would be the kings.

florian.billeb16_ESO

pppontus wrote: »

They are just.. powered.

Exactly as good as any other class.

Don't listen PPontus, he know very well sorcerer but he/she not really objectif.

Sorcerer in PVE:

1) Worst tank
2) Worst heal
3) no real stamina capacity if you want to plain a stamina sorcerer

So now: sorcerer in PVE magicka

1) Good dps for a magicka DPS Class (same as DK magicka)
2) Not good AOE DPS (DK are much bether)
3) no real utility with spells
3) Magicka are weaker versus stamina DPS how much good question 30 40 % weaker, more, that's possible. I suppose any good stamina class will do 15'000-20'000 DPS on boss versus 10'000-15'0000 for sorcerer.
4) Problem with CP champion, if you up magicka damage (for example for cristal fragment you became 12 % weapon critical at 30 points...

Zenimax has done a bad job with sorcerer, see my last example, we have try to change something before 1.6. but Zenimax maybe had no time to change and have prefer to hear people like PPontus, who don't play a sorcerer in heal, or tank... or stamina

and I have forgotten that Zenimax had tell that pet sorcerer will have the best DPS...

Jar_Ek

No luck bonuses.
Sorcerers are fine for solo levelling, good if magicka in PVP, and okay as dungeon dps (magicka).
They are generally lacking healer tools, some tanking tools and stamina build tools.
They have a lot of toggle skills which is a playstyle issue and a number of their skills are currently a topic of debate regarding their usefulness.

Snit

I posted my own lengthy analysis here:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1641067/#Comment_1641067

TLDR: They're in decent shape and fun to play. They're a fine choice to pick for your main character, unless you intend to be a group healer.

Snit

Mumnoch wrote: »

Zenimax wants Sorc's to be a 2 button class that does crap for DPS and so they made them that way.

So, I have good news for you

If you're unhappy with your DPS in 1.6, and you don't want to run a Togglemancer (I hate that build, too), you absolutely can make a nuker build work and do good ranged DPS. There are a couple of builds over at Tamriel Foundry, in the sorc theorycraft section. I'm playing one of them. While sorc still has issues, ranged DPS in groups probably isn't among them.

yodased

Ask 10 people this question get 10 answers.

I think the consensus though is a good sorc is really good, a bad sorc is terribad.

They are not an easy class to play, but can be ultimately dangerous in pvp and a good DD/off tank in pve.


You can be an unskilled player with the other classes and still get by, not with a sorc.

Emma_Overload

As a long time Sorcerer, I can tell you that if I re-rolled today I would choose.... a Nightblade. Yes , really.

I know NBs have their share of gripes, but they have one thing that fits my play style perfectly: Sap Essence. The great thing about this ability is that it SCALES UP in effectiveness with the number of enemies you are fighting. Sorcerers used to have an ability like this called Critical Surge, but Surge heals do NOT scale anymore due to the horrible cooldown that was introduced with the 1.6 patch.

@ZOS: Please get rid of the Surge cooldown so I can quit wishing I was a Nightblade!

asteldian

If you want to play a magicka dps (like most who choose a class called Sorcerer) then sorc is in a pretty good place, DK being your other option.
Sorc AOE is not bad, DK may do better but 20-35k is not 'bad' dps.

The big issues with sorc I would say are:
Nothing to make their healing stand out, all other classes have something to add to resto staff.
Probably the last choice for tank.
Nothing to offer stamina builds
Sucky placement in champ point system for increased magic damage.

Glurin

If you listen to some people, sorc is mega OP because they have some kind of weird "I win" button that teleports them fifty miles away and sets off a nuclear explosion right on top of you.

If you listen to more level headed folks, sorc is OKish, but has some issues relative to other classes. Minimal heals, low burst damage mitigation, low DPS... About the only thing the have going for them in PvP is their mobility, and even before that mobility was nerfed they had to make some sacrifices to get it.

Still, it's not like they're getting slaughtered left and right. It's still a good choice as a class for those that prefer a more caster oriented build.

Lava_Croft

Bad Sorcerers will say they got nerfed, good Sorcerers will say they got buffed.

Nivzruo_ESO

They are top class in all aspects of pvp.. except MAYBE healing.

Jahosefat

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Bad Sorcerers will say they got nerfed, good Sorcerers will say they got buffed.

And people like to present false dichotomies. Like most things in life, peoples opinions fall on a spectrum.

If you go into this game with the idea of "play as you like" you will not optimize your performance or impact. You have to play off your class strengths (especially early on) to do well. Example: seen many mag sorcs in PVP that don't run some morph of bolt escape?

Sorcs Greatest Strengths (PVP): 1) High mobility and other perks from bolt escape and its morphs 2) The class shield "hardened ward".

Sorc Cons: Arguably less synergy with stam based skill lines than other classes, no magicka-based melee skills, no direct group healing benefits, high mag cost of class skills relative to other classes.

They have asked for feedback on ways to improve sorc stam builds but haven't presented anything yet and have said they are looking at ways to give the sorc unique group healing benefits.

Mumnoch

I'll never understand why you NB's, Templar's, and DK's come onto threads and post like you know wtf you're talking about when it comes to Sorcs. Numbers don't lie. Numbers say NB's, Templar's, and DK's do more DPS than Sorc's. Numbers don't lie. Numbers say NB's, Templar's, and DK's have more abilities to heal (and do it better) than Sorc's. Numbers don't lie. Numbers say NB's, Templar's, and DK's have better tools to tank than Sorc's.

Numbers don't lie and they say you are full of *** for saying Sorc's are equal to the other classes.

Lava_Croft

Mumnoch wrote: »

I'll never understand why you NB's, Templar's, and DK's come onto threads and post like you know wtf you're talking about when it comes to Sorcs. Numbers don't lie. Numbers say NB's, Templar's, and DK's do more DPS than Sorc's. Numbers don't lie. Numbers say NB's, Templar's, and DK's have more abilities to heal (and do it better) than Sorc's. Numbers don't lie. Numbers say NB's, Templar's, and DK's have better tools to tank than Sorc's.

Numbers don't lie and they say you are full of *** for saying Sorc's are equal to the other classes.

Your numbers don't care about the reality in PvP.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

Bad players will say they were needed. Good players say it's fine. Not to mention an exploit has been found that makes a sorc equal to fighting an emporer. I've seen some sick sorcs out there who have no issues.

DHale

Overload light attacks are OP OP deadric curse and crystal freaks all after the stun from bolt escape all on my kill log when I was killed by a sorc seven times trying to get across Alessia bridge... Frack in sorc they don't just run away they chase you while you are riding your guar. no... no pets !

byrom101b16_ESO

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Sorcs are gods in PVP.

Magicka Sorcs are decent in PVE. They have good damage and can self-sustain very easily. These traits are important for running Vet dungeons. However, in Trials, you don't really need self sustain and want to just focus on damage and utility that you can provide to the group, and this is where Sorcs are lacking.

They have the 3rd or 4th best damage out of four classes, and they have to work harder to acheive it and need static targets to maximise it.

Self-sustain is worse than 1.5.

Survivability and utility are the worst of all classes, period.

This does NOT make them 'decent in PvE'.

They are however good in PvP, although not nearly as wonderful as the 'wasn't blocking, wasn't looking, Sorcerer got an Entropy double boosted Frags Crit on me when my flappy flappy was down' complainers Zenimax loves listening to...

With the LA nerf, everyone with Stamina/Weapon Damage build gets to return the favour more reliably as well...

byrom101b16_ESO

pppontus wrote: »

They are just.. powered.

Exactly as good as any other class.

Demonstrably wrong in utility, survivability outside of PvP, skill synergies and only borderline correct on dps against static targets.

byrom101b16_ESO

Mumnoch wrote: »

I'll never understand why you NB's, Templar's, and DK's come onto threads and post like you know wtf you're talking about when it comes to Sorcs. Numbers don't lie. Numbers say NB's, Templar's, and DK's do more DPS than Sorc's. Numbers don't lie. Numbers say NB's, Templar's, and DK's have more abilities to heal (and do it better) than Sorc's. Numbers don't lie. Numbers say NB's, Templar's, and DK's have better tools to tank than Sorc's.

Numbers don't lie and they say you are full of *** for saying Sorc's are equal to the other classes.

CORRECT!