whats the word on sorcers are they OP or underpowered

byrom101b16_ESO

florian.billeb16_ESO wrote: »

pppontus wrote: »

They are just.. powered.

Exactly as good as any other class.

Don't listen PPontus, he know very well sorcerer but he/she not really objectif.

Sorcerer in PVE:

1) Worst tank
2) Worst heal
3) no real stamina capacity if you want to plain a stamina sorcerer

So now: sorcerer in PVE magicka

1) Good dps for a magicka DPS Class (same as DK magicka)
2) Not good AOE DPS (DK are much bether)
3) no real utility with spells
3) Magicka are weaker versus stamina DPS how much good question 30 40 % weaker, more, that's possible. I suppose any good stamina class will do 15'000-20'000 DPS on boss versus 10'000-15'0000 for sorcerer.
4) Problem with CP champion, if you up magicka damage (for example for cristal fragment you became 12 % weapon critical at 30 points...

Zenimax has done a bad job with sorcerer, see my last example, we have try to change something before 1.6. but Zenimax maybe had no time to change and have prefer to hear people like PPontus, who don't play a sorcerer in heal, or tank... or stamina

and I have forgotten that Zenimax had tell that pet sorcerer will have the best DPS...

Yes, Zenimax have done a very poor job with Sorcerer and still refuse to listen, or if they are listening to anyone but the 3-4 people on these forums who repeatedly post corner case '1 in 10 tries' perfect rotation dps parses as 'proof' that being 3rd or 4th on dps tables against static bosses is just dandy, and that this also means every other aspect of the class is similarly 'great', they aren't acknowledging there is a problem yet.

At the moment their official position is still that the vast majority of us are 'complainers', despite the facts.

Jar_Ek

Magicka sorcerers are good in PVP because zos decided sorcerer skills should pretty much all be burst damage (pets are the exception). Thus a well played sorcerer can do a massive amount of burst using c. frags, d. curse, and mages fury (most of which can now be blocked and reflected). With the removal of soft caps, magicka sorcerers also have decent defences with hardened ward and bolt escape. However if pressure is applied, then the sorcerer pretty much has to ward spam or bolt spam to stay alive as he will not have the stamina to block or dodge or break free for long.

This Does not mean that sorcerers are great in all situations.

maryriv

Overpowered.

Cuyler

Pvp Players = Sorc OP
Pve Players = Sorcs meh
Me = Sorcs is to much work/investment for mediocre dps, reroll DK or Temp
@ZOS_PaulSage = Sorcs need to L2P lol (he's obv only watching PvP vids of the top guilds)

Edit: just wanted to put this in perspective. If your enemy only has 25,000 HP like in PvP your sorc's 9k overload LA/Crystal F damage is great. If your enemy has 2,500,000,000 HP like in PvE your sorc's 12-13k dps is not going to be special anymore.

Vizier

Mumnoch wrote: »

pppontus wrote: »

They are just.. powered.

Exactly as good as any other class.

Lying is bad you know that right?

Don't roll a Sorc, don't play a Sorc, they are 2nd (or 3rd or 4th) fiddle for EVERY roll this game has to offer. The only place they are even remotely on equal footing with the other classes is solely in PVP and that is ONLY because they have a lot of movement abilities.

Zenimax wants Sorc's to be a 2 button class that does crap for DPS and so they made them that way. Check these forum's or any other forum's out on the web and you'll see numbers that support this. I mean who would want to struggle and run a perfect rotation popping pot's etc for 12k DPS when you can run any of the other classes and pull 15k+ DPS?

They are not second fiddle to the roll of killing other players...just sayin AND- I think you are underplaying their ability to dps..just a tinsy winsy widdle bit.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Bad Sorcerers will say they got nerfed, good Sorcerers will say they got buffed.

This is a great way to put it. I would add that people that can't kill them in PvP think think they are OP.

Jahosefat wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Bad Sorcerers will say they got nerfed, good Sorcerers will say they got buffed.

And people like to present false dichotomies. Like most things in life, peoples opinions fall on a spectrum.

If you go into this game with the idea of "play as you like" you will not optimize your performance or impact. You have to play off your class strengths (especially early on) to do well. Example: seen many mag sorcs in PVP that don't run some morph of bolt escape?

Sorcs Greatest Strengths (PVP): 1) High mobility and other perks from bolt escape and its morphs 2) The class shield "hardened ward".

Sorc Cons: Arguably less synergy with stam based skill lines than other classes, no magicka-based melee skills, no direct group healing benefits, high mag cost of class skills relative to other classes.

They have asked for feedback on ways to improve sorc stam builds but haven't presented anything yet and have said they are looking at ways to give the sorc unique group healing benefits.

That's unfair though. How many DKs don't use RS? How many NB don't use Shadow Cloak? How many Templars don't use Radiant Strike? All classes have at least one ability that pretty standard no matter what the build. You're definitely right about the stamina issue though.

maryriv wrote: »

Overpowered.

Whoa slow down! I know it's your first post but you don't have to say everything all at once, spread it out a little.

Shader_Shibes

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Bad Sorcerers will say they got nerfed, good Sorcerers will say they got buffed.

Excactly. Ran a daily today with a mate sorc and he was doing crazy dps, he said pretty much the same thing.

Mumnoch

Cuyler wrote: »

Pvp Players = Sorc OP
Pve Players = Sorcs meh
Me = Sorcs is to much work/investment for mediocre dps, reroll DK or Temp
@ZOS_PaulSage = Sorcs need to L2P lol (he's obv only watching PvP vids of the top guilds)

Edit: just wanted to put this in perspective. If your enemy only has 25,000 HP like in PvP your sorc's 9k overload LA/Crystal F damage is great. If your enemy has 2,500,000,000 HP like in PvE your sorc's 12-13k dps is not going to be special anymore.

Really good example. Taking it a bit further on (hopefully) making the Zenimax dev's smarter (I won't give them any credit with the current state of the game) Sorc's have multiple movement alternating abilities and movement is very important in PVP. This is why the idiot's that only see Sorc's PVPing are screaming they are OP.

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Vizier wrote: »

Mumnoch wrote: »

pppontus wrote: »

They are just.. powered.

Exactly as good as any other class.

Lying is bad you know that right?

Don't roll a Sorc, don't play a Sorc, they are 2nd (or 3rd or 4th) fiddle for EVERY roll this game has to offer. The only place they are even remotely on equal footing with the other classes is solely in PVP and that is ONLY because they have a lot of movement abilities.

Zenimax wants Sorc's to be a 2 button class that does crap for DPS and so they made them that way. Check these forum's or any other forum's out on the web and you'll see numbers that support this. I mean who would want to struggle and run a perfect rotation popping pot's etc for 12k DPS when you can run any of the other classes and pull 15k+ DPS?

They are not second fiddle to the roll of killing other players...just sayin AND- I think you are underplaying their ability to dps..just a tinsy winsy widdle bit.

Movement abilities does *** for DPS, for heals, for tanking. Don't confuse the ability to move around the battlefield waiting for a frag proc before you burst someone with having good DPS. 12k =/= 15k-18k DPS. Not even a tinsy winsy widdle bit.