Come on Zenimax...

Kypho

Grat ZoS that you failed again.
Thx for the new awesome class, what can beat every other in pvp, the Sorcerer. Thx for failing again in balance........
Just give back the radiant bug, so not only the lamesorcs will do 13k fragment, 8k curse dmg and streakshieldspamming.
just give back to the templars for the lolz.

DisgracefulMind

Kypho wrote: »

Grat ZoS that you failed again.
Thx for the new awesome class, what can beat every other in pvp, the Sorcerer. Thx for failing again in balance........
Just give back the radiant bug, so not only the lamesorcs will do 13k fragment, 8k curse dmg and streakshieldspamming.
just give back to the templars for the lolz.

You fail to realize that a lot of Sorcs are doing massive damage due to the Nirnhoned bug. It will be fixed tomorrow and the damage won't be as heavy.

Spangla

Even without nirn its ridiculous - Plus they can choose to disengage whenever they want lol

DisgracefulMind

Spangla wrote: »

Even without nirn its ridiculous - Plus they can choose to disengage whenever they want lol

Again, the Bolt Escape complaining. You people, seriously are getting ridiculous.

Rune_Relic

To BE or not to BE ? That is the question :d

DisgracefulMind

Rune_Relic wrote: »

To BE or not to BE ? That is the question :d

I think we all know the answer to this. (:

Derra

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Grat ZoS that you failed again.
Thx for the new awesome class, what can beat every other in pvp, the Sorcerer. Thx for failing again in balance........
Just give back the radiant bug, so not only the lamesorcs will do 13k fragment, 8k curse dmg and streakshieldspamming.
just give back to the templars for the lolz.

You fail to realize that a lot of Sorcs are doing massive damage due to the Nirnhoned bug. It will be fixed tomorrow and the damage won't be as heavy.

Was is stated anywhere that this is going to get fixed?

DisgracefulMind

Derra wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Grat ZoS that you failed again.
Thx for the new awesome class, what can beat every other in pvp, the Sorcerer. Thx for failing again in balance........
Just give back the radiant bug, so not only the lamesorcs will do 13k fragment, 8k curse dmg and streakshieldspamming.
just give back to the templars for the lolz.

You fail to realize that a lot of Sorcs are doing massive damage due to the Nirnhoned bug. It will be fixed tomorrow and the damage won't be as heavy.

Was is stated anywhere that this is going to get fixed?

I believe it was stated somewhere amongst the forums. I'll search for it. But it is getting fixed.

DisgracefulMind

Derra wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Grat ZoS that you failed again.
Thx for the new awesome class, what can beat every other in pvp, the Sorcerer. Thx for failing again in balance........
Just give back the radiant bug, so not only the lamesorcs will do 13k fragment, 8k curse dmg and streakshieldspamming.
just give back to the templars for the lolz.

You fail to realize that a lot of Sorcs are doing massive damage due to the Nirnhoned bug. It will be fixed tomorrow and the damage won't be as heavy.

Was is stated anywhere that this is going to get fixed?

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

ArconSeptim wrote: »

I hope you fix all these UI bugs that are happening around, repairing armor, champion point xp bar and similar.
Also fix the nirnhoned trait, there is a lot things to be fixed.

Off the top of my head, these will all be fixed on Monday.

Here you go.

Derra

Thanks for making the effort!

I guess its farewell heavy armor build with 7k skoria proccs then.

Spangla

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

Even without nirn its ridiculous - Plus they can choose to disengage whenever they want lol

Again, the Bolt Escape complaining. You people, seriously are getting ridiculous.

You amuse me ostrich. . . .

Rylana

Sorc is not OP, lol

Spangla

^^^^ Did you say that with a straight face? How:)?

Rylana

Spangla wrote: »

^^^^ Did you say that with a straight face? How:)?

Yes. because I meant what I said. And because I actually play one.

Sorc is in no way shape or form overpowered.

Skafsgaard

Rylana wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

^^^^ Did you say that with a straight face? How:)?

Yes. because I meant what I said. And because I actually play one.

Sorc is in no way shape or form overpowered.

Im not so experienced with every class - but do you feel a magicka based sorc is balanced to other magicka based classes?

Im pretty sure I could give a sorc a fight if I was say .. stamina build, but yea no racials i've got synergizes with anything to do with a stam setup so I dont really want to do that...

AbraXuSeXile

When a class can do everything part of the 'big three' then yes it is OP.

Sorc

DPS: Yes
Escape: Yes
Take Damage: Yes

NB

DPS: Yes
Escape: Yes
Take Damage: No

DK:

DPS: Yes
Escape: No
Take Damage: Yes

Templar:

DPS: No (healer)
Escape: No
Take Damage: Yes


The big three could be moved into many more forms, But let's not complicate matters.

Soulac

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

When a class can do everything part of the 'big three' then yes it is OP.

Sorc

DPS: Yes
Escape: Yes
Take Damage: Yes

NB

DPS: Yes
Escape: Yes
Take Damage: No

DK:

DPS: Yes
Escape: No
Take Damage: No

Templar:

DPS: No (healer)
Escape: No
Take Damage: Yes


The big three could be moved into many more forms, But let's not complicate matters.

What if I told you that a NB can do all three as well?

NBs are incredible good tanks in PvP with an infinity amount of Ressources if they wish.
On the other side, they make great healers and are able to be very bursty.

Are Sorcs and NB op now?

Rylana

Trying to figure out how a dk cant "take damage"

FFS they are the tankiest class in the game dude.

Lord_Bidr

Rune_Relic wrote: »

To BE or not to BE ? That is the question :d

OMG this is so priceless...lol. You deserve an awesome for that wit.

Lord_Bidr

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

When a class can do everything part of the 'big three' then yes it is OP.

Sorc

DPS: Yes
Escape: Yes
Take Damage: Yes

NB

DPS: Yes
Escape: Yes
Take Damage: No

DK:

DPS: Yes
Escape: No
Take Damage: No

Templar:

DPS: No (healer)
Escape: No
Take Damage: Yes


The big three could be moved into many more forms, But let's not complicate matters.

C'mon ZOS, it is for nonsense like this that we need a LOL button. NBs can't take damage? You must not have met sap tanks in the game before. DK's can't take damage? Are we even playing the same game? DKs cant escape? You don't need an escape if you can plow through the battlefield. Templars can't DPS? Really? Do you even watch PVP vids that are put on the forums showcasing each of the classes?

Now, if it's a specific build in each class, that I would understand (for example a gank-build NB clearly isn't going to be tanky as one specced for it. But that's hardly the class' fault, it's the build that was designed).

I've said it before and I am saying it again, BE/Streaking Sorcs is a troll build designed specifically to *** people off. If you got trolled hard by one, I'm sorry, it's not the class. It's you.

Here are some vids showing each of the class (apart from Sorcs, cause apparently they're OP) holding their own against others:

- DKs (Sidenote to ZOS, yeah, clearly the dragon leap is fixed...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSbMH1lDcWY
- NBs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I0MIaf-eVs
- Templars (am waiting on Kristofer's new vids post 1.6, in the meantime you can enjoy this) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeYg5jnscxk

And here's a vid of a sorc whose goal is to troll you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMG4sfjJXE8

You can watch Sypher's troll vids as well where he punts people off cliffs and buildings as a NB. Would you also say NB is OP then?

Polished builds with polished playstyles will always make you think it's the class that's OP.

AbraXuSeXile

Obviously i meant DK's can take damage.

And i'm talking about common builds. Nearly everyone is running the same build as the next person in that class, Then you get some running slightly different, Deny if you want but this is true.

No class should be able to take damage while dps'ing higher and be able to escape. Fact.

AbraXuSeXile

Soulac wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

When a class can do everything part of the 'big three' then yes it is OP.

Sorc

DPS: Yes
Escape: Yes
Take Damage: Yes

NB

DPS: Yes
Escape: Yes
Take Damage: No

DK:

DPS: Yes
Escape: No
Take Damage: No

Templar:

DPS: No (healer)
Escape: No
Take Damage: Yes


The big three could be moved into many more forms, But let's not complicate matters.

What if I told you that a NB can do all three as well?

NBs are incredible good tanks in PvP with an infinity amount of Ressources if they wish.
On the other side, they make great healers and are able to be very bursty.

Are Sorcs and NB op now?

Well why are you not running this 'ultimate nb' build? I've seen you with your group in the last few days and you did nothing noteworthy.

Soulac

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

When a class can do everything part of the 'big three' then yes it is OP.

Sorc

DPS: Yes
Escape: Yes
Take Damage: Yes

NB

DPS: Yes
Escape: Yes
Take Damage: No

DK:

DPS: Yes
Escape: No
Take Damage: No

Templar:

DPS: No (healer)
Escape: No
Take Damage: Yes


The big three could be moved into many more forms, But let's not complicate matters.

What if I told you that a NB can do all three as well?

NBs are incredible good tanks in PvP with an infinity amount of Ressources if they wish.
On the other side, they make great healers and are able to be very bursty.

Are Sorcs and NB op now?

Well why are you not running this 'ultimate nb' build? I've seen you with your group in the last few days and you did nothing noteworthy.

I don't remember saying that a NB is able to do all three things in one build, at least not perfectly.
Unfortunately my build is not made for huge zerg fights cause the lack of shields (Stamina NB), but I prefer small scale anyway.

My current, unique build is probably more noteworthy than your jesus beam spam build.
But I'm not here to discuss about these things, everyone has his own opinion.

Sorc can do all these things, NBs as well.

Ps:
Neithi runs a very good Tank and Dps build, which heals as well, Magicka based.
Would probably try something like that if it weren't boring as hell for me.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Think @AbraXuSeXile 's point was that Sorcs have 1 build which far outweighs the effectiveness of other classes if they were trying to focus in doing all 3 of the things.

Most classes can pick any 2 out of 3 when it comes to damage, tanking, escape. Sorc can do all 3 effortlessly.

Other classes than sorc can try and focus on all 3 but they will less effective than a sorc at it.

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

To BE or not to BE ? That is the question :d

I think we all know the answer to this. (:

I honestly think sorcs should instant explode if they try and BE 4 times in 10s.

AltusVenifus

Not to hijack this post, but to say NBs have escapes is simply wrong. An invis potion last for 11 seconds, the skill last for 2.5. Everyone has a better escape than NBs with a simple potion. I use the potion as a NB...

AhPook_Is_Here

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

When a class can do everything part of the 'big three' then yes it is OP.

Sorc

DPS: Yes
Escape: Yes
Take Damage: Yes

NB

DPS: Yes
Escape: Yes
Take Damage: No

DK:

DPS: Yes
Escape: No
Take Damage: Yes

Templar:

DPS: No (healer)
Escape: No
Take Damage: Yes


The big three could be moved into many more forms, But let's not complicate matters.

I don't know if those are really the big 3. I think that's kind of a silly categorization. Dying has no penalty in this game other than a brief opportunity cost, why does escape matter? You don't get AP escaping. I think escape is one of those things overrated by night-blade RPers.

AhPook_Is_Here

AltusVenifus wrote: »

Not to hijack this post, but to say NBs have escapes is simply wrong. An invis potion last for 11 seconds, the skill last for 2.5. Everyone has a better escape than NBs with a simple potion. I use the potion as a NB...

you should learn to use your shade.

Snit

That explains why sorcs are the most common class in Cyrodiil. And by "most," I mean "least, by a large margin."

AhPook_Is_Here

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Think @AbraXuSeXile 's point was that Sorcs have 1 build which far outweighs the effectiveness of other classes if they were trying to focus in doing all 3 of the things.

Most classes can pick any 2 out of 3 when it comes to damage, tanking, escape. Sorc can do all 3 effortlessly.

Other classes than sorc can try and focus on all 3 but they will less effective than a sorc at it.

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

To BE or not to BE ? That is the question :d

I think we all know the answer to this. (:

I honestly think sorcs should instant explode if they try and BE 4 times in 10s.

I think that would be an awesome feature for NBs cloak.

squshy7

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

Not to hijack this post, but to say NBs have escapes is simply wrong. An invis potion last for 11 seconds, the skill last for 2.5. Everyone has a better escape than NBs with a simple potion. I use the potion as a NB...

you should learn to use your shade.

you should play a NB.

teleporting in the middle of an uppercut cast time has a pretty hilarious outcome.

as does cloaking.

Snit

AltusVenifus wrote: »

Not to hijack this post, but to say NBs have escapes is simply wrong. An invis potion last for 11 seconds, the skill last for 2.5. Everyone has a better escape than NBs with a simple potion. I use the potion as a NB...

By that logic, Break Free is irrelevant, as anyone can use Unstoppable potions. Heals and Regen don't matter because tri-pots exist. You don't need to load an ability with the "Major Whatever" buff, as potsucking can cover that, too. Potions can do a lot. But it's better to have it built in as a class skill. That way, you can use the (shared) potion cooldown for something else.

NB's are pretty good at escaping. They can force a de-target, and they have access to movement increases. Like anyone else, though, the key part of escaping is starting to run before the folks chasing you get into gap-closer range. If you haven't got the situational awareness to do that, then, yeah, your 'class' sucks at escaping.