What up with all the drama about sorcs in 1.6?

Cathexis

@ThatHappyCat it was a nerf to sorcs if you use 2h and overload the skills balance out to one free bugged out summon through animation canceling. I used radiant magelight before I quit to stack against stealth, but unstable familiar was way better for offensive stealth; tactically specific uses.

Sav72

Sorc the new FOTM...

OP in pvp beyond belief Great job ESO, on balancing classes once again.

Roechacca

Sorc got the short end of the stick with light armor change on top of class revamp . I haven't been on mine since the nerf . What I say on pts was bad enough .

Mumnoch

Sav72 wrote: »

Sorc the new FOTM...

OP in pvp beyond belief Great job ESO, on balancing classes once again.

if you think Sorc's are the new FOTM kindly explain what set up and what kind of parses you are getting with proof. Otherwise go troll some other thread.

olsborg

Other

If you find a good build, wich is the challenge for a sorc, but if you do, you'll be pretty awesome in pvp. Sure we have a few issues, but so does all classes. Our main issues is all the toggleables we have in our build and the lack of a direct instant dmg spell or two.

Been playing around with my build after up6 came out, and I actually dropped the twilight I have been using for months, and am now rocking with liquid lightning and deadric mines instead of a 2slot toggle twilight.

This is from a pvp perspective and has nothing to do with endgame pve and trials, as I dont do those activites.

Septimus_Magna

They are overreacting. Sorcs are fine. L2P.

From a pvp standpoint my sorc feels pretty strong bth. I can time curse and inevitable detonation to go off at the same time, crystal frags procs + crit surge does near 10k (tooltip), overload light attacks hit for about 9k each (tooltip), boundless storm lasts 3x longer now and I can stack 3 shields which are all based of max magicka.

Form a pve standpoint my sorc feels a lot weaker, I get around 8-9k dps with 2543 spell damage. This is probably caused due to some of my pvp-based morph discussions. For example, curse, ward and lightning splash have been morphed to boost my pvp capabilities and they dont add much to my pve dps. I made most of these dissicions because I dont want to play a togglemancer, so I guess I wont be doing any miracles in pve but pvp is definitely a lot of fun right now.

Valmond

olsborg wrote: »

If you find a good build, wich is the challenge for a sorc, but if you do, you'll be pretty awesome in pvp..

What is the good build?
Please tell me it does not involve two handed weapons or stamina.

Tankqull

Sorcs are gimped.

Sav72 wrote: »

Sorc the new FOTM...

OP in pvp beyond belief Great job ESO, on balancing classes once again.

totally OP bveeing unable to break through rapid regeneration

Septimus_Magna

They are overreacting. Sorcs are fine. L2P.

Valmond wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

If you find a good build, wich is the challenge for a sorc, but if you do, you'll be pretty awesome in pvp..

What is the good build?
Please tell me it does not involve two handed weapons or stamina.

I currently have 2 builds for pvp, the first is more sustainable and second is more glass canon:

Build 1, magicka regen and spell damage:
2x Engine Guardian - LA
4x Arch-Mage - LA and necklace
2x Cyrodiil's Light - rings
3x Seducer - HA, MA and both staffs

Build 2, max spell damage:
4x Martial Knowledge - LA
3x Arch-Mage - LA
2x Cyrodiil's Light - rings
2x Torug's Pact - HA and both staffs

I get 2543 spell damage with purple gear and power surge on build 2 so crystal frags hits like a truck but its a lot harder to manage and sustain my resources. You could replace the Engine Guardian set for another monster set or for 2 Cyrodiil's Light/Seducer pieces.

olsborg

Other

Valmond wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

If you find a good build, wich is the challenge for a sorc, but if you do, you'll be pretty awesome in pvp..

What is the good build?
Please tell me it does not involve two handed weapons or stamina.

I sit pretty satisfied with my current build, destro and resto staff, using mainly class skills. Light armor is ***, but thats what we have damage shields for, its our dodge and block.

Oh, for sustain in pvp and specially small scale pvp, I personally believe the arena set is mandatory to be any good. Stamina sustain for sorc is ***.

Mumnoch

olsborg wrote: »

Valmond wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

If you find a good build, wich is the challenge for a sorc, but if you do, you'll be pretty awesome in pvp..

What is the good build?
Please tell me it does not involve two handed weapons or stamina.

I sit pretty satisfied with my current build, destro and resto staff, using mainly class skills. Light armor is ***, but thats what we have damage shields for, its our dodge and block.

Oh, for sustain in pvp and specially small scale pvp, I personally believe the arena set is mandatory to be any good. Stamina sustain for sorc is ***.

If our wards and shields are supposed to be our "dodge and block" then a big FU to the developers. It's bad enough they gave us so many "toggles" to be effective, now on top of that we have to slot shields and wards cause we can't dodge or block?

WTF Zenimax! Why the hatred of Sorc's?

olsborg

Other

Sav72 wrote: »

Sorc the new FOTM...

OP in pvp beyond belief Great job ESO, on balancing classes once again.

"OP beyond belief" is simply not true, slightly unbalanced, yes maybe. But "OP Beyond belief" simply means you fought someone much better then you.

Septimus_Magna

They are overreacting. Sorcs are fine. L2P.

Mumnoch wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Valmond wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

If you find a good build, wich is the challenge for a sorc, but if you do, you'll be pretty awesome in pvp..

What is the good build?
Please tell me it does not involve two handed weapons or stamina.

I sit pretty satisfied with my current build, destro and resto staff, using mainly class skills. Light armor is ***, but thats what we have damage shields for, its our dodge and block.

Oh, for sustain in pvp and specially small scale pvp, I personally believe the arena set is mandatory to be any good. Stamina sustain for sorc is ***.

If our wards and shields are supposed to be our "dodge and block" then a big FU to the developers. It's bad enough they gave us so many "toggles" to be effective, now on top of that we have to slot shields and wards cause we can't dodge or block?

WTF Zenimax! Why the hatred of Sorc's?

You can use purge and streak to reduce stamina cost for breaking free and roll-dodging. Ive tried the arena set but didnt like it compared to an all magicka set tbh. Spell damage and magicka regen are more valuable in my experience.

Valmond

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Valmond wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

If you find a good build, wich is the challenge for a sorc, but if you do, you'll be pretty awesome in pvp..

What is the good build?
Please tell me it does not involve two handed weapons or stamina.

I currently have 2 builds for pvp, the first is more sustainable and second is more glass canon:

Build 1, magicka regen and spell damage:
2x Engine Guardian - LA
4x Arch-Mage - LA and necklace
2x Cyrodiil's Light - rings
3x Seducer - HA, MA and both staffs

Build 2, max spell damage:
4x Martial Knowledge - LA
3x Arch-Mage - LA
2x Cyrodiil's Light - rings
2x Torug's Pact - HA and both staffs

I get 2543 spell damage with purple gear and power surge on build 2 so crystal frags hits like a truck but its a lot harder to manage and sustain my resources. You could replace the Engine Guardian set for another monster set or for 2 Cyrodiil's Light/Seducer pieces.

That's horribly specific set of items you need to not suck. o.0
Please tell me other classes need to gear up as much to be good at this game.

edit-
ok, could probably replace arch mage with magnus' gift
have half of the rings (working on second one, might get it in week or so), got vr11 martial set (blue, need to find vr13 and make it purple i guess) and i can craft Torug's Pact.

what kind of skills are you using?

Digiman

Sorcs are gimped.

They aren't unplayable, but they are broken in terms of free play. When it comes to other classes there class abilities work well with many aspects. But sorcerers have been beaten to near destruction by Eric Wrobel and his combat team.

Fact is when ever they give us a "balance" to abilities they decide to break another in clear vindictive bias that rivals bigotry look at the patch notes the moment sorcerers are given an advantage ZoS utteryl betrays their philospy of play as you like and slaps on a penalty on for Bolt escape instead of placing a cool down.

Right now? We have a broken Surge mechanic and are require to use toggle for out pet clannfear for a 35% max health 1.4 sec heal on top of busted mechanics no one would use for a range DPS magicka caster. Despite protests that it would be a bad decision and we lacked DPS Eric Wrobel decided to extend the duration of Light splash instead.

In a nutshell we are hated by the developers and are only given the dregs of development time, those who spend hard earned time paying for PTS testing explained problems and providing solutions are ignored and utterly spat on as 1.6 proves.

Like long time subscribers since launch supporting this game to the present time when it comes to ZoS giving reparations for loyalty we are only worth 100 crowns in their eyes.

I wash my hands of ever bothering with PTS testing! ZoS has proven they just don't care, especially after their recent ZoS Live! episode.

Mumnoch

If this is true.

Shame on you ZoS. There are plenty of players that want to enjoy playing their Sorc's and being competitive against the other classes.

If this isn't true and it's just some weird oversight by ZoS...it's time to get off your asses and give Sorc's buffs. Not next year, not in a couple of months, NOW.


At the end of the day ZoS you are running a razor edge of player loyalty due to your debacle before on launch and taking so long to actually get most the game to a enjoyable state. This is for sure your "last chance". If you think PC players don't have friends that play console's and you can ignore 1/4 of the classes you will be in for a shock when you get blown up on the public forums that you can't moderate (Like Reddit). Already all you need to do is Google ESO issues and you get several pages worth of people discussing current problems. New subscribers are going to see this, ask opinion's of us players and then walk away when we tell them you have the reputation of ignoring 1/4 the classes.

Aeternus

Sorcs are gimped.

Whoever at ZoS was in charge of writing the critical surge changes needs to go back to Programming 101.

Tankqull

Sorcs are gimped.

Digiman wrote: »

They aren't unplayable, but they are broken in terms of free play. When it comes to other classes there class abilities work well with many aspects. But sorcerers have been beaten to near destruction by Eric Wrobel and his combat team.

Fact is when ever they give us a "balance" to abilities they decide to break another in clear vindictive bias that rivals bigotry look at the patch notes the moment sorcerers are given an advantage ZoS utteryl betrays their philospy of play as you like and slaps on a penalty on for Bolt escape instead of placing a cool down.

Right now? We have a broken Surge mechanic and are require to use toggle for out pet clannfear for a 35% max health 1.4 sec heal on top of busted mechanics no one would use for a range DPS magicka caster. Despite protests that it would be a bad decision and we lacked DPS Eric Wrobel decided to extend the duration of Light splash instead.

In a nutshell we are hated by the developers and are only given the dregs of development time, those who spend hard earned time paying for PTS testing explained problems and providing solutions are ignored and utterly spat on as 1.6 proves.

Like long time subscribers since launch supporting this game to the present time when it comes to ZoS giving reparations for loyalty we are only worth 100 crowns in their eyes.

I wash my hands of ever bothering with PTS testing! ZoS has proven they just don't care, especially after their recent ZoS Live! episode.

its not only that, when ever they gave us the small finger they are cutting us another finger, in the end its the amount of undocumented nerfs they are applying to the class that makes sorcs so frustrated.
with no word they mentioned to nihilate our pvp dmg by making 2 of our most usedskills blockable. they are allready some of the weakest abilities in use but got another slap by the nerf bat.
its not enough to have an ability (velocious curse) with by far the worst dps and one of the worst dmg per usage (1-1,5k dps ~4k dmg per use) but on top of that the usage of that ability denies its use by any other sorc aswell - imagine the uproar when DK dots exclude dots of other dks being applied to a target ^^ - and this "awesome" skill wich in return to its harsch restrictions was unblockable lost this gimmick now without beeing mentioned nor compensation in any way and on top of that it lost a significant part of its dmg in transition from 1.5 to 1. 6 (from 1.5 at ~ 5-600dmg to ~4000 in 1.6).
comparable things happend to our "executioner" it lost sigificant power in the transition to 1.6(~180-220 dmg are now 900-1100) but as curse the finisher proc was unblockable but is now reducing our allready reduced dmg even more. covering the nerfes with shiny so called buffs wich are nothing but a nice iceing on a awefull sugarfree cake
blocking problem:
http://imgur.com/ifoh7t9

Septimus_Magna

They are overreacting. Sorcs are fine. L2P.

Valmond wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Valmond wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

If you find a good build, wich is the challenge for a sorc, but if you do, you'll be pretty awesome in pvp..

What is the good build?
Please tell me it does not involve two handed weapons or stamina.

I currently have 2 builds for pvp, the first is more sustainable and second is more glass canon:

Build 1, magicka regen and spell damage:
2x Engine Guardian - LA
4x Arch-Mage - LA and necklace
2x Cyrodiil's Light - rings
3x Seducer - HA, MA and both staffs

Build 2, max spell damage:
4x Martial Knowledge - LA
3x Arch-Mage - LA
2x Cyrodiil's Light - rings
2x Torug's Pact - HA and both staffs

I get 2543 spell damage with purple gear and power surge on build 2 so crystal frags hits like a truck but its a lot harder to manage and sustain my resources. You could replace the Engine Guardian set for another monster set or for 2 Cyrodiil's Light/Seducer pieces.

That's horribly specific set of items you need to not suck. o.0
Please tell me other classes need to gear up as much to be good at this game.

edit-
ok, could probably replace arch mage with magnus' gift
have half of the rings (working on second one, might get it in week or so), got vr11 martial set (blue, need to find vr13 and make it purple i guess) and i can craft Torug's Pact.

what kind of skills are you using?

Bar 1: Crushing shock, crystal frags, power surge, streak, endless fury

Bar 2 (changes often): hardened ward, harness magicka, healing ward, inevitable detonation/curse/mist form/boundless storm, purge

Ultimates (switch them a lot): meteor, bat swarm, overload and atronach

Fight tactics are very important, this needs a lot of practice. I got a lot better by watching videos of goood pvp sorcs to learn their tactics.

Valmond

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Valmond wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Valmond wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

If you find a good build, wich is the challenge for a sorc, but if you do, you'll be pretty awesome in pvp..

What is the good build?
Please tell me it does not involve two handed weapons or stamina.

I currently have 2 builds for pvp, the first is more sustainable and second is more glass canon:

Build 1, magicka regen and spell damage:
2x Engine Guardian - LA
4x Arch-Mage - LA and necklace
2x Cyrodiil's Light - rings
3x Seducer - HA, MA and both staffs

Build 2, max spell damage:
4x Martial Knowledge - LA
3x Arch-Mage - LA
2x Cyrodiil's Light - rings
2x Torug's Pact - HA and both staffs

I get 2543 spell damage with purple gear and power surge on build 2 so crystal frags hits like a truck but its a lot harder to manage and sustain my resources. You could replace the Engine Guardian set for another monster set or for 2 Cyrodiil's Light/Seducer pieces.

That's horribly specific set of items you need to not suck. o.0
Please tell me other classes need to gear up as much to be good at this game.

edit-
ok, could probably replace arch mage with magnus' gift
have half of the rings (working on second one, might get it in week or so), got vr11 martial set (blue, need to find vr13 and make it purple i guess) and i can craft Torug's Pact.

what kind of skills are you using?

Bar 1: Crushing shock, crystal frags, power surge, streak, endless fury

Bar 2 (changes often): hardened ward, harness magicka, healing ward, inevitable detonation/curse/mist form/boundless storm, purge

Ultimates (switch them a lot): meteor, bat swarm, overload and atronach

Fight tactics are very important, this needs a lot of practice. I got a lot better by watching videos of goood pvp sorcs to learn their tactics.

Pretty offensive lineup, with less lag i might be tempted to try it out (any larger keep fight ends up with my spells just not working).
Crushing shock, i use it myself (when i don't replace it with volcanic rune)
crystal frags, more often than not either misses completely, or gets blocked
surge? i've pretty much ditched it at 1.6, is it still really worth it?
streak, been trying out this one, but with lag, it tends to be pretty pointless.
endless fury, using mages wrath morph myself, but nore really sure how usefull this is when i can't get anyone past half health as is.

been trying out crushing shock, liquid lightning, crystal fragments, empowered ward, streak
on primary weapon in Cyrodiil, and bunch of healing on secondary weapon.
can actually hurt people (at times, assuming they are not Dragon Knight Emperor Vampire or some such), but trying to aim at anyone in this game is all but impossible (especially as all fights are basically zerg lagfests), so not sure how good it is.

Switched out my gear a bit, using magnus 4, torug's 2, seducer 2 atm.
1570-1599 spell damage, 28k magicka (with bound aegis, otherwise 26k) and 26% crit (1.2k magicka recovery and my crushing shock costs 1.2k magicka).
can't say it has been huge improvement (4.1% crit switched to 370 spell power) from dps pow, maybe 300 more dps when stars align just right, no lag, no stutter, and the spells actually go of.

Might try using 2 pieces of Adroitness (had necklass from earlier, and the sash dropped from today's veteran pledge), would loose approx 200 magicka recovery though (still working on the second light of cyrodiil ring).