Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »LonePirate wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »
Here you go, mate:ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »We cannot give specific numbers as to population caps and what each bar means, however here is a graph of Thornblade's (US) recent population which echos the statement above regarding the populations of each Alliance within that campaign:
Awesome post let's see EP worm their way out this one.
What is there to worm out of here? I don't think anyone from EP denies they are typically the highest pop in Thorn NA. If anything, AD and DC want people to believe their populations are constantly in the valley range and never in the peak range.
You guys claim a lot of your wins are down to skill, now there is proof from Wheeler that's purely down to numbers, A lot you think this is in AD/DC's heads or it's no where near as bad as it actually is. Refer to Tripwyr's bullet points to see just how out of hand and stupid it has gotten. If you were a semi decent player that enjoyed a challenge you would have rerolled by now. This just highlights the fact how trashy most EP are and the proof is in the pudding, all your back patting, high fives, and leet talk is now worth a whole bucket full of nothing and lols.
Alright, Alright you say where bad or we have a high population or we are the only ones who spam skills, but that where your wrong. Dc complains that EP is over populated. Well that's cool but, there are pop locks for all factions which cap us at a certain number which is set to keep the game fair if we had our 2000+ players playing yea maybe is when you can complain. So your idea that EP is the only faction that zergs with large numbers, Wrong, There has been multiple time where there is triple the number of AD killing EP also to add in DC will be sniping you in the back. To add in also every faction spams skill's DC or AD or EP Dark flare/healing springs/fire ring you name it everyone spams it. But What kills AvAvA for me is when two groups are so hell bent on attacking one faction because they can't communicate with their own faction and is so negative to every person they see in their own zone chat and then complains that one faction is at fault because of some reason? it is beyond comprehension That they must resort to teaming up number of time's to try and stop that one group even though you cause the problem? That's shortsighted point of view is what is wrong with the game. That to try to win a campaign you have to result it to AvA and cry about stupid crap that is easy fix if they just fixed it themselves if they just stopped double teaming us and stop giving us a reason to night cap or day cap or some other capping you make up then just maybe your factions could maybe just maybe win a campaign.
Stop Causing You're Own Problems.
Keep telling yourself that you are good. It might come true someday. Until then, zerg on.
It seems you didn't read it =/ such a sad thing seeing that it can help you as a faction.
Both of you completely ignored the point, or just don't understand.
Caladreigan, there aren't enough off peak players TOTAL to prevent EP night capping. The issue is that EP has a consistently higher pop across multiple time zones. Forming one organised group isn't enough to counter the 2-3 groups EP has running at any given time.
Sirston, this is about population imbalance, not skill spamming. Take a look at the chart posted multiple times in this thread.. The reason EP gets double teamed is because they cap everything when they have a clear advantage, not the other way around.
Both of you completely ignored the point, or just don't understand.
Caladreigan, there aren't enough off peak players TOTAL to prevent EP night capping. The issue is that EP has a consistently higher pop across multiple time zones. Forming one organised group isn't enough to counter the 2-3 groups EP has running at any given time.
Sirston, this is about population imbalance, not skill spamming. Take a look at the chart posted multiple times in this thread.. The reason EP gets double teamed is because they cap everything when they have a clear advantage, not the other way around.
But I doubt that chart is anywhere accurate After the countless lieing to its players ZOS has said to tracking our exp, or to never changing the payment method I don't and can't trust ZOS word anymore its worth sqwat to me. also to add in that chart does not clarify of what times?/of how many number each faction is at/if the gaps in-between are greater then 1 more person or 20 more people.
Both of you completely ignored the point, or just don't understand.
Caladreigan, there aren't enough off peak players TOTAL to prevent EP night capping. The issue is that EP has a consistently higher pop across multiple time zones. Forming one organised group isn't enough to counter the 2-3 groups EP has running at any given time.
Sirston, this is about population imbalance, not skill spamming. Take a look at the chart posted multiple times in this thread.. The reason EP gets double teamed is because they cap everything when they have a clear advantage, not the other way around.
But I doubt that chart is anywhere accurate After the countless lieing to its players ZOS has said to tracking our exp, or to never changing the payment method I don't and can't trust ZOS word anymore its worth sqwat to me. also to add in that chart does not clarify of what times?/of how many number each faction is at/if the gaps in-between are greater then 1 more person or 20 more people.
What you want man ? You want screen shots is me by myself getting killed by groups of 10+ every time I head to a resource ? How many you want , 100 .. 200 ? I got Em . You want the Pope to fly down and witness all taking a lie detector test ? Jebuz jumping johosephat wat do you want as proof ? The Devs even agree . It's like the lights are on but no ones home over there . Your mind keeps burning rubber trying to get the belt back on the fly wheel .
Havoc can do whatever they want. If they want to win campaigns by fighting with little to no opposition or competition, so be it. That doesn't constitute a 'great guild'. If anything it indicates they need a population advantage to achieve anything, considering they were AD before when the scales were tipped the other way.
Caladriegan wrote: »"Wah! I'm outnumbered! It's the only reason I lose!"
Wow thats the EP rally cry from six months ago.
And now it is the AD DiEcebelacrity cry...
Just because your guild decided they don't care about their faction doesn't mean every other guild feels the same way.
You know nothing about our faction first of all. Secondly, isn't this the same trypwyr that used to farm bleakers days on end and would say in yell chat... get away from bleakers or we will leave and let you die. we don't care about the campaign we just want the first grand overlord. Well how did that work out for you there forumemperor?
Both of you completely ignored the point, or just don't understand.
Caladreigan, there aren't enough off peak players TOTAL to prevent EP night capping. The issue is that EP has a consistently higher pop across multiple time zones. Forming one organised group isn't enough to counter the 2-3 groups EP has running at any given time.
Sirston, this is about population imbalance, not skill spamming. Take a look at the chart posted multiple times in this thread.. The reason EP gets double teamed is because they cap everything when they have a clear advantage, not the other way around.
But I doubt that chart is anywhere accurate After the countless lieing to its players ZOS has said to tracking our exp, or to never changing the payment method I don't and can't trust ZOS word anymore its worth sqwat to me. also to add in that chart does not clarify of what times?/of how many number each faction is at/if the gaps in-between are greater then 1 more person or 20 more people.
What you want man ? You want screen shots is me by myself getting killed by groups of 10+ every time I head to a resource ? How many you want , 100 .. 200 ? I got Em . You want the Pope to fly down and witness all taking a lie detector test ? Jebuz jumping johosephat wat do you want as proof ? The Devs even agree . It's like the lights are on but no ones home over there . Your mind keeps burning rubber trying to get the belt back on the fly wheel .
Nah man I want ZOS to post numbers its not hard for computers to count 1 to 1 million they think computer we have are in the 1980's and stuggle to count numbers of user's logged in to cyrodill
Deny it all you want, but any AD or DC player who is a regular in thornblade can confirm that the chart is accurate. If anything, its worse than what is depicted.. EP has a habit of consistently pop locking for hours on end after prime time whenever the score gets close to being even.
The chart only represents a 5 day span when EP already had a 20k point lead..
Deny it all you want, but any AD or DC player who is a regular in thornblade can confirm that the chart is accurate. If anything, its worse than what is depicted.. EP has a habit of consistently pop locking for hours on end after prime time whenever the score gets close to being even.
The chart only represents a 5 day span when EP already had a 20k point lead..
Pop locked what does that word me? means maxed amount of players its still a fair fight due to game mechanics
Peri, I'm aware that havoc is not entirely responsible for the imbalance. And I agreed with the decision when they initially migrated to EP.
But that doesn't change the current state of thornblade.
Sadly, its taking far too long for the devs to implement a solution, even a temporary one, so its up to the individual players and guilds to breathe life back into PvP.
If things remain the way they are, PvP will continue its trend of death by a thousand cuts, which include other game breakers like lag and exploits, until there is only a bunch of pve buff servers left.
Understandable, at least you are aware of the issue and I appreciate your recommending people to roll DC.
Would be nice if there was a method of transferring faction, or even a levelling boost for alts in another faction, especially considering that vr ranks already require playing through the opposing factions storylines.
There are a variety of solutions to help combat imbalance, and while the devs may be holding out for the b2p transition and hoping it solves the issue, it would be unwise to rely on that alone.
Certain groups and guilds from AD and DC work together sporadically, but there will always be people who won't accept or follow any sort of truce.
Besides, two factions shouldn't need to team up 24/7 in order to stand a chance against the 3rd faction, that just proves that EP has too many players, just as AD did in the early days.
Ideally, all 3 factions would have relatively even off-peak populations, so that no one faction can gain an extreme lead without the others being able to adequately defend.
LonePirate, you still haven't contributed anything to the actual discussion, and your attempt to derail the thread is horrible.
Certain groups and guilds from AD and DC work together sporadically, but there will always be people who won't accept or follow any sort of truce.
Besides, two factions shouldn't need to team up 24/7 in order to stand a chance against the 3rd faction, that just proves that EP has too many players, just as AD did in the early days.
Ideally, all 3 factions would have relatively even off-peak populations, so that no one faction can gain an extreme lead without the others being able to adequately defend.
LonePirate, you still haven't contributed anything to the actual discussion, and your attempt to derail the thread is horrible.
you....don't understand how game mechanics work do you? EP has more numbers then One faction but 2v1 any situation and the 2 always win inless your DC and AD on thornblade with EP is winning. Due to lack of coordination with DC and AD guild's Its as simple as that. You have the numbers to Pop lock Ive seen it. tell your some what guilds to come back from chilrend. " You're Lack of understanding how the game works is making your faction lose as a whole." I personalty don't care Im going to keep getting my 10k and be chilling in the red zone. Have fun in the green zone!
Also that crap chart proves nothing they cropped it so you couldn't see the dates/times/anything. So belive ZOS all you want they will keep lieing to you to keep you happy for the money.
How in the every loving Hell is this thread still open and going??
Yes but these forum mods can be pretty over the top sometimes and there is ALOT of bickering going on.
How in the every loving Hell is this thread still open and going??
Shocked also,Yes but these forum mods can be pretty over the top sometimes and there is ALOT of bickering going on.