Should Alliance Rank Be Account Wide? (Or some variation of this)

Chesimac

I have seen many a discussion yet if I'm not mistaken, no polls on the subject

Tripwyr

Yes, but only with same faction characters

I like the same faction characters compromise.

DisgracefulMind

Yes, but only with same faction characters

Same faction characters should share the alliance rank.

Asgari

Yes, but only with same faction characters

I've said from the start it should be same faction.

thelordoffelines

I have a question about this..
If my main is say alliance rank 30 and I make an alt that also has alliance rank 30... Does he come out with 30 free skill points?

Gyudan

Yes

thelordoffelines wrote: »

I have a question about this..
If my main is say alliance rank 30 and I make an alt that also has alliance rank 30... Does he come out with 30 free skill points?

I suggest the following:
- An account-wide AP pool that would work towards the Alliance War ranks and grant access to titles/dyes and abilities.
- A character-wide AP pool that would work towards skillpoints.
- The access to abilities could work with a double requirement based on both Alliance War (account-wide) and character level. The first skills of the assault/support trees would require a level 10 character (same as the access to Cyrodiil), the second ones level 20 and up to level 50 for the 5th ones (in addition to the Alliance War levels)
- AP bars should be hidden by default to prevent overcrowding the UI and be visible from the Alliance War page as usual.

Examples: (the numbers are wrong, just giving the general idea here)
- You have 1 character VR9 with alliance rank 20. Your global PVP rank is still 20 and get skill points and abilities as usual.
- You have 2 characters, VR14 and VR5 but you only PVP with the VR14 and have reached alliance rank 35. Your global PVP rank becomes 35. Your VR14 gets 35 skillpoints and access to all alliance war abilities. Your VR5 gets 0 skillpoints but still has access to the alliance war abilities.
- You have 3 characters, VR14, VR14 and 24. Your first VR14 is alliance rank 40, your second VR14 is rank 10 and your level 24 rank 2. Your global alliance rank becomes 45 (somewhere around that). Your first VR14 gets 40 skillpoints, your second VR14 10 skillpoint and your level 24 2 skilllpoints. Both VR14s can access all Support/Assault skills but the level 24 can only use the first two of each tree.

Cody

Yes, but only with same faction characters

Yes.

My real rank should be somewhere in the high 20s to be honest:( making a new alt should not exclude months of time invested into PvP.

Gooey

Yes

Cody wrote: »

Yes.

My real rank should be somewhere in the high 20s to be honest:( making a new alt should not exclude months of time invested into PvP.

Takes you months to get to 20? wtf.

ToRelax

Yes, but only with same faction characters

Gooey wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Yes.

My real rank should be somewhere in the high 20s to be honest:( making a new alt should not exclude months of time invested into PvP.

Takes you months to get to 20? wtf.

4,5 million AP, if you don't farm extensively and play a lot you need some months.

Lhorion

Yes

Would be a solution! I would like to play one of my twinks. But at the moment I don't very often because I think all the AP I could have with my main. A second point is that I would have to play each twink for months to get the new pvp skills... If the rank was account wide I would play withz my twinks more!

KBKB

No

Shocker you are all saying yes tbh, takes away the meaning and worth of the rank if you can roll the max passives on a level 10 toon in black water.

AbraXuSeXile

No

No. Simply just no.

Perichor

Yes

work and time put into pvp should be accounted for no matter what faction

thelordoffelines

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

No. Simply just no.

Yes. Simply just yes.

Magus

Yes

Yes. All achievements, including alliance war achievements and alliance rank should be account wide. Similar to the SWTOR legacy system, I like how that was setup.

Sanct16

Yes

I would like to play other classes more aswell.
My sorc is Alliance Rank 21 now so I'll have Combat Frenzy II in ~2.3m AP. This is after playing my sorc already for quite some time. I would like to play my Templar a bit more again, but being forced to grind to Combat Frenzy II again is not very tempting.

Moreover I dont like the 100 days /played time on my DK (Alliance Rank 39, nearly 40) being "wasted" Alliance Rank wide as I won't play my DK much in 1.6.

The game shouldn't punish players with multiple chars in such a way.

I don't know why the Alliance Rank should be bound to the faction. If I'd reroll to a new faction I'd like people to know that I'm no noob with an Alliance Rank of 15.

Vilestride

Yes

Completly agree, they should be doing more to promote playing across other classes as that is what will keep people entertained with the game. Game achievements should also be account wide, I hate feeling like my highest/first/most invested toon so far is my "main" just makes me feel like I am wasting time on any toon but him at times, and yet, I get bored if its all I play.

Kas

Yes, but only with same faction characters

Of course, assault/support/emp skilllines shouldn't be. You have to work for a new character PvE-wise and so you should have to PvE-wise.

However, I would REALLY love to see account vet ranks and icons - at least per faction if you want to argune with faction pride / accomplished something for your faction etc.

Say you have a rank 35+ (or if you have a full-time job 30+ may be enough to be considered a SERIOUS investment of time) char. This really puts pressure on you and prevents you from playing another char. This pressure decreases your overall fun in ESO (if only slightly, but i see no reason how seperate ranks could EVER increase your fun).

On top of that, account wide ranks could decrease cries about balance. Especially changing racial passives. If you want, you can reroll to what you think is OP. 1->V14, Undaunted 9 and AR24 is still a lot of work and will ensure people really identify with their characters. However, someone who already put 50days of /played or (much) more into a single char and is really focused on PvP, will still have to "start from scratch" when making an alt but at least not have a feeling of "losing everything".

Skillpoints (granted by ARanks) are some sort of strange middle ground and somewhat problematic with my wish - But so is getting rid of vet ranks and that is still very likely to happen.

Kas

Yes, but only with same faction characters

KBKB wrote: »

Shocker you are all saying yes tbh, takes away the meaning and worth of the rank if you can roll the max passives on a level 10 toon in black water.

imho it would be the obvious choice to make people level assault/support from 1. After all, the only connection to your ARank is because both level with AP earned.

An account wide rank would mostly allow people that played ages for their fancy icons to try out other chars / classes without a feeling of "losing everything" or "earning worthless points". This is especially true for someone with an AR 30+++ char and another AR24+ char. Playing the lower one feels incredibly pointless in that situation (I imagine, the current mechanic forced me to focus on one char before my seond char reached AR24).

AshTal

Yes, but only with same faction characters

It should to encourage new characters and trying out alts not punishing people who want a new char.

Pirhana7_ESO

No

Alliance ranks are your progression in Cyrodiil and for alot of people you progression after hitting max level. Asking this to be account wide is no different then asking for all your characters to be teh same as your highest level. your basically saying well i just hit V3 with my sorc, now i expect the system to bump my NB and DK to V3. the whole point of progression is to build and learn a character, not get eveything else for free.

Right now when you see an Alliance Ranks 30 sorc, that means that person put in the time to learn and get that good with THAT character. If you add cross account alliance ranks..... Alliance ranks wont mean much. you will see a an Alliance Rank 30 NB and just say well he is probably AR 30 because he PVPs mainly with a DK

ToRelax

Yes, but only with same faction characters

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

Alliance ranks are your progression in Cyrodiil and for alot of people you progression after hitting max level. Asking this to be account wide is no different then asking for all your characters to be teh same as your highest level. your basically saying well i just hit V3 with my sorc, now i expect the system to bump my NB and DK to V3. the whole point of progression is to build and learn a character, not get eveything else for free.

Right now when you see an Alliance Ranks 30 sorc, that means that person put in the time to learn and get that good with THAT character. If you add cross account alliance ranks..... Alliance ranks wont mean much. you will see a an Alliance Rank 30 NB and just say well he is probably AR 30 because he PVPs mainly with a DK

How can you compare the grinding of one week to a practically endless one?

btw: Alliance rank is hardly an indicator for skill in the current system.

Pirhana7_ESO

No

ToRelax wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

Alliance ranks are your progression in Cyrodiil and for alot of people you progression after hitting max level. Asking this to be account wide is no different then asking for all your characters to be teh same as your highest level. your basically saying well i just hit V3 with my sorc, now i expect the system to bump my NB and DK to V3. the whole point of progression is to build and learn a character, not get eveything else for free.

Right now when you see an Alliance Ranks 30 sorc, that means that person put in the time to learn and get that good with THAT character. If you add cross account alliance ranks..... Alliance ranks wont mean much. you will see a an Alliance Rank 30 NB and just say well he is probably AR 30 because he PVPs mainly with a DK

How can you compare the grinding of one week to a practically endless one?

btw: Alliance rank is hardly an indicator for skill in the current system.

Alliance Ranks are still character / class progressions, you are unlocking alliance skills and passives. Do you really think its a good idea to let your level 10 have all those things like caltraps, warhorn, longer range, ect in the non vet campaign just because you have a V14 that is AR 40? How would that be fair to the new players in the non vet campaign

Chesimac

Yes

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

Alliance ranks are your progression in Cyrodiil and for alot of people you progression after hitting max level. Asking this to be account wide is no different then asking for all your characters to be teh same as your highest level. your basically saying well i just hit V3 with my sorc, now i expect the system to bump my NB and DK to V3. the whole point of progression is to build and learn a character, not get eveything else for free.

Right now when you see an Alliance Ranks 30 sorc, that means that person put in the time to learn and get that good with THAT character. If you add cross account alliance ranks..... Alliance ranks wont mean much. you will see a an Alliance Rank 30 NB and just say well he is probably AR 30 because he PVPs mainly with a DK

How can you compare the grinding of one week to a practically endless one?

btw: Alliance rank is hardly an indicator for skill in the current system.

Alliance Ranks are still character / class progressions, you are unlocking alliance skills and passives. Do you really think its a good idea to let your level 10 have all those things like caltraps, warhorn, longer range, ect in the non vet campaign just because you have a V14 that is AR 40? How would that be fair to the new players in the non vet campaign

I Disagree, It makes sense for someone who has grinded hard for their alliance rank and title and want to roll an alt to try something new to have the benefit of letting the world know they have contributed as much as they have to their faction(s)

xylena

Yes

this would encourage people to make alts on other factions and help pvp balance... as it is now, players don't reroll to other factions because they have no desire to lose all their progress and have to play weaker characters with fewer abilities for months on end

GorraShatan

No

No thanks, and this is coming from someone with 4 PvP toons spread between 3 factions.

PvPers don't need every new toon to start out super OP compared to everyone else.

AbraXuSeXile

No

Let's encourage FOTM rerollers. This idea is stupid.

Perichor

Yes

if you dont care about population balance for PVP you voted for NO on this

having account wide alliance ranks give incentive to guilds and players to roll other factions

Perichor

Yes

your really stupid for voting against this

AbraXuSeXile

No

Seeing new characters with high ranking titles is just wrong. Makes the grind worthless.

Recremen

Yes

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

Alliance ranks are your progression in Cyrodiil and for alot of people you progression after hitting max level. Asking this to be account wide is no different then asking for all your characters to be teh same as your highest level. your basically saying well i just hit V3 with my sorc, now i expect the system to bump my NB and DK to V3. the whole point of progression is to build and learn a character, not get eveything else for free.

Right now when you see an Alliance Ranks 30 sorc, that means that person put in the time to learn and get that good with THAT character. If you add cross account alliance ranks..... Alliance ranks wont mean much. you will see a an Alliance Rank 30 NB and just say well he is probably AR 30 because he PVPs mainly with a DK

I think there's a natural contradiction secreted away in your argument. Specifically, playing one character consistently does not imply playing the same way consistently. A person may be trying out a multitude of different builds, and may in fact not be good at any of them, yet still may have earned sufficient AP to be a high rank. Changing a playstyle is exactly as big of a shock as changing classes, especially since so many abilities aren't tied to class choice. Therefore, if we were to decide not to make this particular skill line account-wide because a person hasn't learned to play the other character, we would also need to block it from them if they changed playstyles.

Along the same line of thinking, getting to VR14 doesn't mean you've learned your character. You may have unlocked fewer than 10 skills to get there, and there is no guarantee that you haven't earned a high AR the same way. Therefore, a high AR does not even equate to knowing a character to begin with.

Now, I personally only care about the state of AR inasmuch as it affects the skill lines. The passives I don't care about for new characters because they're only good in Cyro and they don't really open up great builds even within that context. I only mind that the time needed to unlock those skills is several orders of magnitude above most other skill lines, and at least one order of magnitude above its closest competitor (Undaunted skill line). I could also kinda see letting titles be cross-account, but it's like the most superfluous aesthetic bonus, probably would only be useful for RPers, and at any rate we just call ourselves by IC rank anyway. ;-)

A solution I would like to see could be either to lower the rank requirements, and thus to encourage PvP on alt characters while still making it more accessible, or to make the skill-line (not passives) unlocked account-wide. I greatly prefer the first approach, but I'd settle for either.