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1.61 Notes, NB OP
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Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.
Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.
I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs
Incorrect, NB is the strongest CC/Debuff class in the game and has been for a very long time.
This notion that nightblade must be a stealthy cloak and dagger class still astounds me to no end.
Eh, people gonna cling to sterotypes.... even as I CC and Debuff them to death.
tell me what NB skill is better than talons?
Fear, by a country mile.
Different useage but damn, fear is a game changer in smaller group engagements.Edited by Satiar on 6 February 2015 20:09Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.
Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.
I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs
Incorrect, NB is the strongest CC/Debuff class in the game and has been for a very long time.
This notion that nightblade must be a stealthy cloak and dagger class still astounds me to no end.
Eh, people gonna cling to sterotypes.... even as I CC and Debuff them to death.
tell me what NB skill is better than talons?
Fear, by a country mile.
Different useage but damn, fear is a game changer in smaller group engagements.
Fear is only good if your opponent does not have the stamina to break it. Otherwise it is just a stamina-removal tool that you can only use once every 8 seconds. And it's quite expensive one too.
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Huntler✭✭✭✭✭
✭NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.
Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.
I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs
Incorrect, NB is the strongest CC/Debuff class in the game and has been for a very long time.
This notion that nightblade must be a stealthy cloak and dagger class still astounds me to no end.
Eh, people gonna cling to sterotypes.... even as I CC and Debuff them to death.
tell me what NB skill is better than talons?
Fear, by a country mile.
Different useage but damn, fear is a game changer in smaller group engagements.
Fear is only good if your opponent does not have the stamina to break it. Otherwise it is just a stamina-removal tool that you can only use once every 8 seconds. And it's quite expensive one too.
The stamina burn is more expensive point for point soo... thats a pretty good exchange. Its a resource game... you use an ability that is more efficient wise than the counter to it. You have just gained an advantage. Now if they are running immovable it is a resource loss to you, so be a smart/aware player and don't use it in that situation. You see the give and take here that should be a part of game balance?
On a further note, you can use it more than 8 seconds. It would hypothetically be every 8 seconds IF you got immunity after you let fear run its course, you don't thus you can perma fear someone if they don't break CC. If they DO break CC you can fear them 4 seconds after they CC break when including animation time so unless they break 0.000001 seconds before the fear runs out... you will NEVER wait anywhere close to 8 seconds to fear again. And once again as earlier in the thread I repeat myself: This is an AOE 4 second long (when morphed that way) CC... of course its expensive... as it should be...because you know.... its a long lockout CC .
Welcome to MMO PvPEdited by Huntler on 6 February 2015 20:240 -
Lettigall✭✭✭✭✭
✭By doing some dueling, my power ranking(myself, templar):- NB
- Sorc
- DK
- Templar
If you are low on stamina when NB casts fear basically you are dead no matter how HP you have.
As stamina build, if you manage to survive fear, you must think about restoring your health and go in defense, while you are in defense next fear is ready and again headless chicken dance begins.Some men just want to watch the world burn... I just want a cold beer!1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NB OP ? ehm not in my opinion. There is a balance issue however, those that dont min/max and those that do. Much bigger issue now then it used to be pre 1.6.
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reften✭✭✭✭✭NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.
Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.
I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs
Incorrect, NB is the strongest CC/Debuff class in the game and has been for a very long time.
This notion that nightblade must be a stealthy cloak and dagger class still astounds me to no end.
Eh, people gonna cling to sterotypes.... even as I CC and Debuff them to death.
tell me what NB skill is better than talons?
Fear, by a country mile.
Different useage but damn, fear is a game changer in smaller group engagements.
Fear is only good if your opponent does not have the stamina to break it. Otherwise it is just a stamina-removal tool that you can only use once every 8 seconds. And it's quite expensive one too.
The problem with fear is...the PC starts running away from combat...and often times outside of the negate. You're often doing the player a favor by fear them in a group push. Talons is so lethal because you pop a negate, you pop talons, and you ultimate dump = group wipe.
But I guess, sure 1v1, but I prefer shield charge if in a 1 on 1 or small group situation.Reften
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Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Fear is arguably the best CC in the game. It is not an I win button, there are situations where someone will spec against it or be immune to it.
That does not change how good it is. Like talons, like streak, like anything else, it's situational. DKs learn not to talon spam me because they run out of magica a looooong time before I run out of stamina, and I in turn learn not to fearspam someone clearly running the arena set.
Edit: And fear is not really expensive. On the PTS my build ran 10k magica, still easily wove it in with grim focus and cloaks.Edited by Satiar on 6 February 2015 20:50Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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Indeed. Such is the dynamic aspect of PvP in which certain builds will inherently have advantages over others and specific builds can be even catered to increase advantages against certain challenges. I'd say however in the current meta you're more likely to be in the advantageous position with using fear. In 1.6 it will likely destabilize a bit given how powerful stamina builds are showing to be on the PTS when it comes to burst damage.0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
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On a further note, you can use it more than 8 seconds. It would hypothetically be every 8 seconds IF you got immunity after you let fear run its course, you don't thus you can perma fear someone if they don't break CC. If they DO break CC you can fear them 4 seconds after they CC break when including animation time so unless they break 0.000001 seconds before the fear runs out... you will NEVER wait anywhere close to 8 seconds to fear again.
As far as i know, the immunity granted after using CC break lasts 8 seconds.0 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
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And?
The cost is manageable in a stamina build so I dunno what your point is. No NB should have trouble weaving it in.
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Soulac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Fear is arguably the best CC in the game. It is not an I win button, there are situations where someone will spec against it or be immune to it.
That does not change how good it is. Like talons, like streak, like anything else, it's situational. DKs learn not to talon spam me because they run out of magica a looooong time before I run out of stamina, and I in turn learn not to fearspam someone clearly running the arena set.
Edit: And fear is not really expensive. On the PTS my build ran 10k magica, still easily wove it in with grim focus and cloaks.
Every Class got an ability working through block next patch (including stun), streak is one of them.
So why is it the "best" CC now, it doesn´t even break block (even if it stands in the Patch Notes..)
It´s very good no question, but not the best in my opinion.
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
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And?
The cost is manageable in a stamina build so I dunno what your point is. No NB should have trouble weaving it in.
I said it is an expensive skill, not that it is not manageable.0 -
Huntler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Fear is arguably the best CC in the game. It is not an I win button, there are situations where someone will spec against it or be immune to it.
That does not change how good it is. Like talons, like streak, like anything else, it's situational. DKs learn not to talon spam me because they run out of magica a looooong time before I run out of stamina, and I in turn learn not to fearspam someone clearly running the arena set.
Edit: And fear is not really expensive. On the PTS my build ran 10k magica, still easily wove it in with grim focus and cloaks.
Every Class got an ability working through block next patch (including stun), streak is one of them.
So why is it the "best" CC now, it doesn´t even break block (even if it stands in the Patch Notes..)
It´s very good no question, but not the best in my opinion.
Streak as a disorient went through block, streak got changed to a 1.5 second stun. It will no longer go through block.
On a further note, you can use it more than 8 seconds. It would hypothetically be every 8 seconds IF you got immunity after you let fear run its course, you don't thus you can perma fear someone if they don't break CC. If they DO break CC you can fear them 4 seconds after they CC break when including animation time so unless they break 0.000001 seconds before the fear runs out... you will NEVER wait anywhere close to 8 seconds to fear again.
As far as i know, the immunity granted after using CC break lasts 8 seconds.
If its somehow 8 seconds it has to be bugged because there is no way it is that long.0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If its somehow 8 seconds it has to be bugged because there is no way it is that long.
A short clip from one of my recording. Yellow gets feared at start, and immediately breaks it. The white swirling effect under his feet stays there for 8 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfODZM4a-PQ&feature=youtu.be
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Spangla✭✭✭✭NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.
Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.
I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs
Incorrect, NB is the strongest CC/Debuff class in the game and has been for a very long time.
This notion that nightblade must be a stealthy cloak and dagger class still astounds me to no end.
Eh, people gonna cling to sterotypes.... even as I CC and Debuff them to death.
When a nb wins a dueling tournament let me know.
Till then.....
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eliisra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Every Class got an ability working through block next patch (including stun), streak is one of them.
So why is it the "best" CC now, it doesn´t even break block (even if it stands in the Patch Notes..)
It´s very good no question, but not the best in my opinion.
Because it hits 3 targets, has a 4.5 sec duration, doesn't break on dmg and will break blocking in future updates. You have to cc break Fear, otherwise you'll die 100% certain. That's what makes it different from other cc's ignoring block.
I'm not saying this makes NB OP. My mele magicka NB feels super squish on PTS (where is my class shield ZoS?). But Fear still happens to be the most *** and annoying cc in the game. It's bearable on live due to Immovable, but after the nerf I guess Arena Set for life. I just rather they boost and balance the NB class around something else than stupid unblockable Fear spam.
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Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.
Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.
I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs
Incorrect, NB is the strongest CC/Debuff class in the game and has been for a very long time.
This notion that nightblade must be a stealthy cloak and dagger class still astounds me to no end.
Eh, people gonna cling to sterotypes.... even as I CC and Debuff them to death.
When a nb wins a dueling tournament let me know.
Till then.....
NBs have won dueling tournys, at least in Legends they have. Personally I have had great success 1v1, and 1.6 buffed me a ton.
The idea that NBs can't compete 1v1 is ridiculous, and I'm more than happy to prove it against anyone who wants to give it a go.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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Sypher✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.
Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.
I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs
Incorrect, NB is the strongest CC/Debuff class in the game and has been for a very long time.
This notion that nightblade must be a stealthy cloak and dagger class still astounds me to no end.
Eh, people gonna cling to sterotypes.... even as I CC and Debuff them to death.
When a nb wins a dueling tournament let me know.
Till then.....
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Hughezy✭✭✭NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.
Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.
I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs
Incorrect, NB is the strongest CC/Debuff class in the game and has been for a very long time.
This notion that nightblade must be a stealthy cloak and dagger class still astounds me to no end.
Eh, people gonna cling to sterotypes.... even as I CC and Debuff them to death.
tell me what NB skill is better than talons?
sap. /Thread
But reading your signature tells me you play the stereotyped gank/stealther Nightblade which is not the only role a nightblade can play. You need to look outside your biases to understand the strengths of a nightblade are in other places as well.
How is sap a CC / Debuff?
You asked for a skill better than talons, you didn't ask for a CC / Debuff....
yup, you didn't read my post as it was a question to an individual about CC. You also assumed that I'm only a ganker...yet my primary flag / group push build is anything but your assumption (sap, leech, bats).
Then you did your little internet /thread/drop mic whatever thing to think you're cool.
go dragonleap a scroll.
HA, not raging, just bored on a Friday. Still think NB/Vamps are the best DPS in PvP.
They aren't the best DPS because DKs can put out more damage in the end.0 -
Araxleon✭✭✭✭✭NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.
Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.
I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs
Incorrect, NB is the strongest CC/Debuff class in the game and has been for a very long time.
This notion that nightblade must be a stealthy cloak and dagger class still astounds me to no end.
Eh, people gonna cling to sterotypes.... even as I CC and Debuff them to death.
When a nb wins a dueling tournament let me know.
Till then.....
<.< I would of won a dueling tourny by now if people didnt abuse things in dueling...
we had to ban the playstyle after that tourny xD0 -
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✭✭Siphoning-Reflect NB opR.I.P Dawnbreaker / Auriel´s Bow
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