1.61 Notes, NB OP

reften

NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.

Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.

I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs

Erondil

oren74 wrote: »

NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.

Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.

I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs

Fear is mostly for 1v1/1vX, and very usefull for this kind of pvp. But right now, as NB melee magicka, I cant burst someone to the death during the fear duration, even without block hold, with magicka maxed and all buffs stacked (entropy might of the guild grim focus). While I can on live, even on block spammers.

bsmorrowb14_ESO

Lava_Croft wrote: »

NB OP? More like Sorc OP. All you see on PTS is Sorcerers decimating everything.

Whats making them OP?

Bouvin

squshy7 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Maybe when they fix shadow cloak so it can remove sorceror dots. The one they put on you that explodes after a certain time... yeah it doesn't remove that and the explosion takes you out of stealth. Its not easy being sneaky. =(

That's not a dot, and nor should it be removed by using cloak. I say this as an early access main NB. Balance is a good thing, remember.

But at least have it break channels. Like Radiant Destruction.

Erondil

bsmorrowb14_ESO wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

NB OP? More like Sorc OP. All you see on PTS is Sorcerers decimating everything.

Whats making them OP?

They drop all their HP, max magicka. This way, they get awesome shield stack (25k easily) and if they are good, stack damages buffs and go for awesome damages too (CF 14k, overload light attack 10k)

pmn100b16_ESO

On the subject of not being able to block while feared...it doesn't work. Just done some duels on pts and players still blocking through its duration and not getting immunity after.

Suru

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Huntler

Suru wrote: »

Gameishard

likesohard

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Suru wrote: »

Gamesohard

corrected

Spangla

Huntler wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

How does this make the NB OPd? If you are feared you shouldnt be able to do anything. That fear also costs alot of magika. From my experience in PVP less than 20% of NBs even use it

Fear goes through block, the only CC that locks you out of abilities but isn't blockable. This makes fear strong as *** right now. And fear costs a lot of magicka compared to some of your dps abilities sure, but its an aoe cc with a long term effect.... it should cost a lot (but in the grand scheme of other abilities in the game its cheap).

Fear should break block - absolutely. Talons can't be blocked yet they dont have a cc timer, do damage and carry a synergy.

shut up

Huntler

Spangla wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

How does this make the NB OPd? If you are feared you shouldnt be able to do anything. That fear also costs alot of magika. From my experience in PVP less than 20% of NBs even use it

Fear goes through block, the only CC that locks you out of abilities but isn't blockable. This makes fear strong as *** right now. And fear costs a lot of magicka compared to some of your dps abilities sure, but its an aoe cc with a long term effect.... it should cost a lot (but in the grand scheme of other abilities in the game its cheap).

Fear should break block - absolutely. Talons can't be blocked yet they dont have a cc timer, do damage and carry a synergy.

shut up

talon's aren't a stun like CC, fear is considered a lockout where abilities can't be used thus why block is arguably a reasonable expectation. Now lets place that on the side you biased clown arguing like a petulant child (shut up? Lol). The reason I say place that aside is in 1.6 (if you happened to read the changes and test things yourselves) you can now block roots.


So before you talk and argue points about something... make sure you know what the hell you are talking about. And try to see past your obvious nightblade bias also... I mean... at least make a coherent point for it.

And thats all being said where I don't really care that fear will go through block. I was just stating a fact at the beginning of the thread. Fear is a strong ability, it is an AOE CC that locks you out of abilities (disables) that already goes through block, in addition many nightblades claim its expensive.... but in the grand scheme of things its not. All facts.

Satiar

Fear is an effective tool for people who won't let go of block. Is long and short of it, as far as I am concerned. Want to not get feared? Use immovable.

Huntler

Satiar wrote: »

Fear is an effective tool for people who won't let go of block. Is long and short of it, as far as I am concerned. Want to not get feared? Use immovable.

Once again not commenting on the validity of fear, it is what it is. But given 1.6.1 immovable will no longer really be the answer (see the notes if you don't know why).

joshisanonymous

Suru wrote: »

For how strong it is with this change, its like a mini ult where if we arent ready to CC break or have Immovable up (which just got a nerf in the patch notes) it can wipe multiple groups by spamming this skill. Kinda like negate does sorta kinda.

Are you.. trolling? Or something? You can't honestly believe that groups will be wiped purely because you can't block while feared on 1.6... How did you ever become emperor?

Suru wrote: »

I have plenty of stamina, but this is a pretty strong skill as it is the only skill type in the game that Pierces block tho.

That's not true in 1.6. If I remember correctly, there are bunch of CCs that go through block now.

Either way, you're looney. Also, how on Earth does not getting ultimate from PvP kills make nightblades overpowered??

Suru

Suru wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

and I know what you are going to say "I am a magicka build in LA".... well, that means your build has a weakness. You can stack a hoard of damage shields, Its only fair for LA magicka builds to have a weakness in the stamina/CC department.

stay at range, make use of knockback skills, get more stamina..... whichever solution floats your boat, but you are going to have weaknesses, accept it and learn to work around it.

I have plenty of stamina, but this is a pretty strong skill as it is the only skill type in the game that Pierces block tho.

Apologize for saying it was the only skill that goes through block, but things like talons where it does not lock out your skills are different. Agony and Petrify are close to it, but still different. I believe when you take damage it is automatically broken and you are free whereas Fear, with no resources to CC break, you are running around for 3 seconds with your pants down

Suru

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

For how strong it is with this change, its like a mini ult where if we arent ready to CC break or have Immovable up (which just got a nerf in the patch notes) it can wipe multiple groups by spamming this skill. Kinda like negate does sorta kinda.

Are you.. trolling? Or something? You can't honestly believe that groups will be wiped purely because you can't block while feared on 1.6... How did you ever become emperor?

Suru wrote: »

I have plenty of stamina, but this is a pretty strong skill as it is the only skill type in the game that Pierces block tho.

That's not true in 1.6. If I remember correctly, there are bunch of CCs that go through block now.

Either way, you're looney. Also, how on Earth does not getting ultimate from PvP kills make nightblades overpowered??

I only meant to fear as OP, kills was just extra stuff I put in quickly

RinaldoGandolphi

If I'm not mistaken, popping immovable renders fear pretty useless.

Lynnessa

oren74 wrote: »

NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.

NBs are for everything! ;P All-Nightblade groups are the best groups!

And I expect everyone in my groups, even those foolish enough to not be Nightblades, to help with killing.

Asgari

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Maybe when they fix shadow cloak so it can remove sorceror dots. The one they put on you that explodes after a certain time... yeah it doesn't remove that and the explosion takes you out of stealth. Its not easy being sneaky. =(

That isn't a DOT though.. Read the tool tip. It only removes dots that tick off damage. Not ones that can be purged off and do no damage until the timer ends.

Spangla

Huntler wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

How does this make the NB OPd? If you are feared you shouldnt be able to do anything. That fear also costs alot of magika. From my experience in PVP less than 20% of NBs even use it

Fear goes through block, the only CC that locks you out of abilities but isn't blockable. This makes fear strong as *** right now. And fear costs a lot of magicka compared to some of your dps abilities sure, but its an aoe cc with a long term effect.... it should cost a lot (but in the grand scheme of other abilities in the game its cheap).

Fear should break block - absolutely. Talons can't be blocked yet they dont have a cc timer, do damage and carry a synergy.

shut up

talon's aren't a stun like CC, fear is considered a lockout where abilities can't be used thus why block is arguably a reasonable expectation. Now lets place that on the side you biased clown arguing like a petulant child (shut up? Lol). The reason I say place that aside is in 1.6 (if you happened to read the changes and test things yourselves) you can now block roots.


So before you talk and argue points about something... make sure you know what the hell you are talking about. And try to see past your obvious nightblade bias also... I mean... at least make a coherent point for it.

And thats all being said where I don't really care that fear will go through block. I was just stating a fact at the beginning of the thread. Fear is a strong ability, it is an AOE CC that locks you out of abilities (disables) that already goes through block, in addition many nightblades claim its expensive.... but in the grand scheme of things its not. All facts.

Sometimes 2 words will suffice,

I'm still of that opinion, bored of playing an underdog class that whenever it gets an ok skill whiney naps like yourself try get it nerfed. Sap essence has been killed thanks to people like you.

McDoogs

Suru wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

and I know what you are going to say "I am a magicka build in LA".... well, that means your build has a weakness. You can stack a hoard of damage shields, Its only fair for LA magicka builds to have a weakness in the stamina/CC department.

stay at range, make use of knockback skills, get more stamina..... whichever solution floats your boat, but you are going to have weaknesses, accept it and learn to work around it.

I have plenty of stamina, but this is a pretty strong skill as it is the only skill type in the game that Pierces block tho.

block in 1.6 isn't what it is in 1.5....honestly 1 person can quickly drain a blocker of stam in 1.6 w/ just light attacks.

McDoogs

Lava_Croft wrote: »

NB OP? More like Sorc OP. All you see on PTS is Sorcerers decimating everything.

This^^^

Although a min-maxed anything is untouchable compared to more balanced builds. The removal of softcaps has actually reduced the number of 'viable' pvp builds.

Rylana

oren74 wrote: »

NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.

Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.

I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs

Incorrect, NB is the strongest CC/Debuff class in the game and has been for a very long time.

This notion that nightblade must be a stealthy cloak and dagger class still astounds me to no end.

Isbilen

If you weren't using the Arena set already...

Satiar

Rylana wrote: »

oren74 wrote: »

NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.

Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.

I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs

Incorrect, NB is the strongest CC/Debuff class in the game and has been for a very long time.

This notion that nightblade must be a stealthy cloak and dagger class still astounds me to no end.

Eh, people gonna cling to sterotypes.... even as I CC and Debuff them to death.

reften

Satiar wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

oren74 wrote: »

NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.

Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.

I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs

Incorrect, NB is the strongest CC/Debuff class in the game and has been for a very long time.

This notion that nightblade must be a stealthy cloak and dagger class still astounds me to no end.

Eh, people gonna cling to sterotypes.... even as I CC and Debuff them to death.

tell me what NB skill is better than talons?

Huntler

oren74 wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

oren74 wrote: »

NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.

Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.

I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs

Incorrect, NB is the strongest CC/Debuff class in the game and has been for a very long time.

This notion that nightblade must be a stealthy cloak and dagger class still astounds me to no end.

Eh, people gonna cling to sterotypes.... even as I CC and Debuff them to death.

tell me what NB skill is better than talons?

sap. /Thread

But reading your signature tells me you play the stereotyped gank/stealther Nightblade which is not the only role a nightblade can play. You need to look outside your biases to understand the strengths of a nightblade are in other places as well.

reften

Huntler wrote: »

oren74 wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

oren74 wrote: »

NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.

Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.

I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs

Incorrect, NB is the strongest CC/Debuff class in the game and has been for a very long time.

This notion that nightblade must be a stealthy cloak and dagger class still astounds me to no end.

Eh, people gonna cling to sterotypes.... even as I CC and Debuff them to death.

tell me what NB skill is better than talons?

sap. /Thread

But reading your signature tells me you play the stereotyped gank/stealther Nightblade which is not the only role a nightblade can play. You need to look outside your biases to understand the strengths of a nightblade are in other places as well.

How is sap a CC / Debuff?

Huntler

oren74 wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

oren74 wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

oren74 wrote: »

NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.

Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.

I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs

Incorrect, NB is the strongest CC/Debuff class in the game and has been for a very long time.

This notion that nightblade must be a stealthy cloak and dagger class still astounds me to no end.

Eh, people gonna cling to sterotypes.... even as I CC and Debuff them to death.

tell me what NB skill is better than talons?

sap. /Thread

But reading your signature tells me you play the stereotyped gank/stealther Nightblade which is not the only role a nightblade can play. You need to look outside your biases to understand the strengths of a nightblade are in other places as well.

How is sap a CC / Debuff?

You asked for a skill better than talons, you didn't ask for a CC / Debuff....

reften

Huntler wrote: »

oren74 wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

oren74 wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

oren74 wrote: »

NBs are for DPS...if you're not killing something in your group, you're doing it wrong.

Sap, light attacks, impale and bats now, when 1.6 hits, will be sap, impale, with scatter shot or whirling blades with light attacks peppered in.

I guess if you have like 15 NBs in a group of 24 a couple could switch to cc...but otherwise, not going to waste my SPs

Incorrect, NB is the strongest CC/Debuff class in the game and has been for a very long time.

This notion that nightblade must be a stealthy cloak and dagger class still astounds me to no end.

Eh, people gonna cling to sterotypes.... even as I CC and Debuff them to death.

tell me what NB skill is better than talons?

sap. /Thread

But reading your signature tells me you play the stereotyped gank/stealther Nightblade which is not the only role a nightblade can play. You need to look outside your biases to understand the strengths of a nightblade are in other places as well.

How is sap a CC / Debuff?

You asked for a skill better than talons, you didn't ask for a CC / Debuff....

yup, you didn't read my post as it was a question to an individual about CC. You also assumed that I'm only a ganker...yet my primary flag / group push build is anything but your assumption (sap, leech, bats).

Then you did your little internet /thread/drop mic whatever thing to think you're cool.

go dragonleap a scroll.

HA, not raging, just bored on a Friday. Still think NB/Vamps are the best DPS in PvP.