Sorc observations on changes between Live and PTS (updated for 1.61)

Eglath

Apparently sorc won't be as bad as I thought in the first place. And time to seriousely look at BoL. I actually didn't play much on PTS but I wonder if destro staff wil be superior to S&B?

Maulkin

I duelled Ezareth yesterday and after 6-7 mins of intense shield stacking and very little actual damage from both sides, his OP BoL got the better of me

He used Power Overload and tbh after the initial surprise at the damage I could handle it without problems with some trusted shield-spam.

I proceeded to respec to BoL and duel 3-4 other streak sorcs and I was virtually unkillable. I duelled and killed a Streak Sorc from my guild, who then went to respec to BoL and we had a 15 min fight that we abandoned after noone could create enough burst to kill the other.

The same BoL gave me relatively easy victories against caster NBs and Templars. My biggest problems were actually against stamina 2h builds, primarily because of my setup and the fact I played on a Template with few options.

Lesson of the day for me:
Ranged damage is very high. Block cost has increased and casters can no longer block much, they are better off shielding and not blocking. S&B Reflect is very expensive due to low stamina regen to sustain and the loss of animation cancel light attacks decreases your damage regardless of class. Streak now gives CC immunity after a very short stun, so Streak spam like that of early days is not efficient.

For all the above reasons BoL seems to be the better option for now unless you are strictly focused on being the CC Sorc in a group.

cozmon3c_ESO

Cause BoL is OP like I have been saying.

Ezareth

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I duelled Ezareth yesterday and after 6-7 mins of intense shield stacking and very little actual damage from both sides, his OP BoL got the better of me

He used Power Overload and tbh after the initial surprise at the damage I could handle it without problems with some trusted shield-spam.

I proceeded to respec to BoL and duel 3-4 other streak sorcs and I was virtually unkillable. I duelled and killed a Streak Sorc from my guild, who then went to respec to BoL and we had a 15 min fight that we abandoned after noone could create enough burst to kill the other.

The same BoL gave me relatively easy victories against caster NBs and Templars. My biggest problems were actually against stamina 2h builds, primarily because of my setup and the fact I played on a Template with few options.

Lesson of the day for me:
Ranged damage is very high. Block cost has increased and casters can no longer block much, they are better off shielding and not blocking. S&B Reflect is very expensive due to low stamina regen to sustain and the loss of animation cancel light attacks decreases your damage regardless of class. Streak now gives CC immunity after a very short stun, so Streak spam like that of early days is not efficient.

For all the above reasons BoL seems to be the better option for now unless you are strictly focused on being the CC Sorc in a group.

Which sorc were you? I only died once the whole night and that was purely a mistake on my part by not keeping my shields up when someone soul assaulted me.

Every BoL sorc I fought was unkillable by me and I was they were unable to kill me including an excellent European Emperor Sorc who I had dead 2 or 3 times during our fight by using power overload until he ball of lightning away at 15% health. If he were not BoL he would have died. That said, he proved after I made the point that he could shield spam survive as much Power overload as I could throw at him. I dumped 500 ultimate on him and couldn't kill him although he kept summing a bunch of dwemer that kept absorbing my overloads while I was attacking him. If I had my live gear and his adds didn't keep appearing in front of my overloads I think I could have pulled it off. The trick is my trademark overload "stacking" which you do by firing from max range with immovable up while you run at your target and use the relatively slow projectile speed of overload to let multiple overload balls hit simultaneously as you keep firing.

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

Cause BoL is OP like I have been saying.

BoL isn't any more powerful than it has always been, it's only now being more popularized by the constant nerfs to streak and ultimate generation.

I kind of wish I were back in the rare minority of BoL sorcs as my damage is highly projectile-based and killing a decent BoL sorc has always been nearly impossible for me.

Sublime

Here's what I've learned from PTS as a sorc so far:

The best build for me is to go completely glass-cannon and neglect all restorations from gear/skills, Harness Magicka + Elemental Drain is enough to keep my magicka up.

By going glass-cannon I get bonuses to shields and damage output, which basically is a bonus to defense and offense. This means there is no trade-off, the reason why you see people running around with 17k HP (corresponds to ~1.7k on live).

I suggest to make all shields scale off Max HP, so you can still go glass-cannon and get your damage, but you'd have to make a trade-off. (An unscaled shield is about ~3-4k, which is nothing) This would also be an incentive to get more HP, which is needed because I haven't found a reason to stack HP yet.

About the BOL thing, I personally prefer streak due to the larger aoe of the CC. It leaves me at a disadvantage against other ranged casters, but gives me an edge against melee stamina builds. BOL sometimes feels buggy to me since it seems to inceract differently from time to time, has anybody else have experienced something similar? (By buggy I mean I sometimes hit people standing right behind BOL, and sometimes I hit BOL even though it's nowhere near the target and only at the edge of my screen.)

On a different note, I don't think the maximum damage from Overload/CF/Curse is too high right now, but there should be a more impactful trade-off for speccing so much into the offensive.

RinaldoGandolphi

Folks are saying this about damage shields, but shields are good because light armor sucks. Without those shields sorcs would be cannon fodder as we need high magic just to do comparable damage as other classes, and we do t have a reliable heal.

Secondly, its not really stacking because Annulment and its morphs do nothing to stop physical damage, so any stamina based damage ignores harness magic.

Sorcs are supposed to have high defense against spells, were students of magic after all, get close to us with a big sword and you can wreck people.

I like a few others on here ran into a guy in the pts by the name if pact mender, he destroyed my shields like nothing and wrecked me, I finally got him back after numerous tries, so shields can be countered.

Shields are good, but their are builds out there that will wreck you even with stacked shields.

Ezareth

Yeah people are learning on PTS. 2 hander builds are just chewing through shields faster than I can stack them, once you're out of stamina it's over.

Soulac

So Magicka builds can't do ***, go Stamina to destroy shields and deal dmg..
Basically I'm forced to run a 2handed as NB, cause Magicka Melee crap, Magicka range =sorc can do it better and stam range is just ***.

Wow <.<

Teargrants

Soulac wrote: »

So Magicka builds can't do ***, go Stamina to destroy shields and deal dmg..
Basically I'm forced to run a 2handed as NB, cause Magicka Melee crap, Magicka range =sorc can do it better and stam range is just ***.

Wow <.<

Instead of making wild assumptions, how about you get on pts and see for yourself?

Erondil

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Not trying to be disrespectful here but your scenarios are just not believable. 14K CF just isn't possible on a VR6 Sorc... I was only able to hit 14K CF crits on my sorc by stacking CF Proc, Empower, Major Prophecy, and 45 champion points into magick damage with the Shadow Mundus stone. This was with full penetration against a naked character with no crit reduction while I was in a high spell power legendary set with 32K Magicka. I was able to get 10K Power overload attacks but those were crits and overload is easily countered.

Ball of Lightning doesn't absorb concealed weapon or Impale either. The issue about generating ult through shields is being addressed as mentioned earlier.

One thing I found on PTS is the skill level overall of the players is far greater than what you find in live. Hell half of the people I've seen on live I know as they are all good players and I don't really know anyone.

I made some serious tests about BoL : it absorb impale, while it doesnt on 1.5, but not concelead weapon. My bad someone told me ***
About CF, the higher I took today was 16138. And overload 10k TT, its really to high for what its cost. With my NB, maxed out magicka spell dmg/CP on magicka dmgs, my ult wich cost 50ult is around 9k TT. Ok, overload is reflectable or absorbed by BoL. But most of ppl cant get BoL or reflect.

Soulac wrote: »

So Magicka builds can't do ***, go Stamina to destroy shields and deal dmg..
Basically I'm forced to run a 2handed as NB, cause Magicka Melee crap, Magicka range =sorc can do it better and stam range is just ***.

Wow <.<

No.

Soulac

Teargrants wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

So Magicka builds can't do ***, go Stamina to destroy shields and deal dmg..
Basically I'm forced to run a 2handed as NB, cause Magicka Melee crap, Magicka range =sorc can do it better and stam range is just ***.

Wow <.<

Instead of making wild assumptions, how about you get on pts and see for yourself?

I already saw these epic crushing shock spamming Magicka builds, most boring fights ever. Everything about spamming shields, no movement needed and just pressing 2 buttons. (and Sorcs are able to do it better than NB.)
Magicka Melee is crap, otherwise show me the opposite. Same dmg as range but far more risky, totally awesome.

If you see something that I don't, tell me.

Erondil

Soulac wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

So Magicka builds can't do ***, go Stamina to destroy shields and deal dmg..
Basically I'm forced to run a 2handed as NB, cause Magicka Melee crap, Magicka range =sorc can do it better and stam range is just ***.

Wow <.<

Instead of making wild assumptions, how about you get on pts and see for yourself?

I already saw these epic crushing shock spamming Magicka builds, most boring fights ever. Everything about spamming shields, no movement needed and just pressing 2 buttons. (and Sorcs are able to do it better than NB.)
Magicka Melee is crap, otherwise show me the opposite. Same dmg as range but far more risky, totally awesome.

If you see something that I don't, tell me.

Actually, after some changes and help from others players, I get very good damages as melee caster. Some concelead weapon 10k dmg. But its not the good thread to talk about that.

Sanct16

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I duelled Ezareth yesterday and after 6-7 mins of intense shield stacking and very little actual damage from both sides, his OP BoL got the better of me

He used Power Overload and tbh after the initial surprise at the damage I could handle it without problems with some trusted shield-spam.

I proceeded to respec to BoL and duel 3-4 other streak sorcs and I was virtually unkillable. I duelled and killed a Streak Sorc from my guild, who then went to respec to BoL and we had a 15 min fight that we abandoned after noone could create enough burst to kill the other.

The same BoL gave me relatively easy victories against caster NBs and Templars. My biggest problems were actually against stamina 2h builds, primarily because of my setup and the fact I played on a Template with few options.

Lesson of the day for me:
Ranged damage is very high. Block cost has increased and casters can no longer block much, they are better off shielding and not blocking. S&B Reflect is very expensive due to low stamina regen to sustain and the loss of animation cancel light attacks decreases your damage regardless of class. Streak now gives CC immunity after a very short stun, so Streak spam like that of early days is not efficient.

For all the above reasons BoL seems to be the better option for now unless you are strictly focused on being the CC Sorc in a group.

Which sorc were you? I only died once the whole night and that was purely a mistake on my part by not keeping my shields up when someone soul assaulted me.

Every BoL sorc I fought was unkillable by me and I was they were unable to kill me including an excellent European Emperor Sorc who I had dead 2 or 3 times during our fight by using power overload until he ball of lightning away at 15% health. If he were not BoL he would have died. That said, he proved after I made the point that he could shield spam survive as much Power overload as I could throw at him. I dumped 500 ultimate on him and couldn't kill him although he kept summing a bunch of dwemer that kept absorbing my overloads while I was attacking him. If I had my live gear and his adds didn't keep appearing in front of my overloads I think I could have pulled it off. The trick is my trademark overload "stacking" which you do by firing from max range with immovable up while you run at your target and use the relatively slow projectile speed of overload to let multiple overload balls hit simultaneously as you keep firing.

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

Cause BoL is OP like I have been saying.

BoL isn't any more powerful than it has always been, it's only now being more popularized by the constant nerfs to streak and ultimate generation.

I kind of wish I were back in the rare minority of BoL sorcs as my damage is highly projectile-based and killing a decent BoL sorc has always been nearly impossible for me.

I remember fighting you on PTS and your overload stacks dropped me unexpectedly low sometimes especially as it felts like they sometimes hit me while I was standing in my BoL. I remember dropping your to low health too sometimes with my curse, pet explosion, CF combo when you weren't on your BoL.

BoL is really OP against ranged magicka builds. A fight between 2 BoL Sorcs basically can't end unless one player forgets to recast his shields or gets a weapon swap bug etc.
Moreover the best way to go on PTS due to perma shield stacking is to have really high burst. Otherwise people will just outshield / outheal everything you throw at them. I was using the gear I use on my live sorc (seducer + warlock) which was totally not optimal as I never dropped below ~50% Magicka in any fight but my spell damage was very low with only 1100 but I was too lazy to change it. Still I won most of my fights by "onehitting" people after 10 seconds. Even some good players like Maulkin died after short periods in our first fights.

Another issue that I noticed was that damage shields protect your from some stuns. Sword and Board reflect doesn't stun you if you have damage shields on you. Same applies for Fire Clench knockback.

Only thing that could kill me were 2handed builds hammering through my shields while not having Deadric Mines slotted. Even then they were very tough.

Maulkin

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Which sorc were you? I only died once the whole night and that was purely a mistake on my part by not keeping my shields up when someone soul assaulted me.

All my char names start with Maulkin. My PTS Sorc is called "Maulkin Again", for that reason

Edit: I have a new set up to counter most Sorc builds and the Overload spam. Including BoL builds. Doesn't lend too well against stamina 2H, but it has an impressive record against casters. Hopefully we'll meet again on PTS to put that to the test

Maulkin

Sanct16 wrote: »

I was using the gear I use on my live sorc (seducer + warlock) which was totally not optimal as I never dropped below ~50% Magicka in any fight but my spell damage was very low with only 1100 but I was too lazy to change it.

Yep, I was running the same setup and I agree it's completely non optimal. Like you said too much magicka sustain, not enough burst.

Stacking more max magicka and more spell damage, seems the way forward to work your way through your opponents shields.

@Derra seems to have mastered that offensive Destro build. I'll try to pick a fight with him tonight to see how it goes.

Ezareth

Sanct16 wrote: »

I remember fighting you on PTS and your overload stacks dropped me unexpectedly low sometimes especially as it felts like they sometimes hit me while I was standing in my BoL. I remember dropping your to low health too sometimes with my curse, pet explosion, CF combo when you weren't on your BoL.

BoL is really OP against ranged magicka builds. A fight between 2 BoL Sorcs basically can't end unless one player forgets to recast his shields or gets a weapon swap bug etc.
Moreover the best way to go on PTS due to perma shield stacking is to have really high burst. Otherwise people will just outshield / outheal everything you throw at them. I was using the gear I use on my live sorc (seducer + warlock) which was totally not optimal as I never dropped below ~50% Magicka in any fight but my spell damage was very low with only 1100 but I was too lazy to change it. Still I won most of my fights by "onehitting" people after 10 seconds. Even some good players like Maulkin died after short periods in our first fights.

Another issue that I noticed was that damage shields protect your from some stuns. Sword and Board reflect doesn't stun you if you have damage shields on you. Same applies for Fire Clench knockback.

Only thing that could kill me were 2handed builds hammering through my shields while not having Deadric Mines slotted. Even then they were very tough.

Yeah I wasn't trying to speak of any mistakes or lack of skill on your part. I timed my Power Overload stacks during times your BoL wasn't up, hoping that when you bolted it would "Bug" and you'd die before bolting again. The Emperor got me with a bugged BoL during our 1 duel as well.

The UI really isn't designed correctly to display shield health and Foundry Tactical doesn't do the best job either. I'm still rusty as hell, and I'm used to have the equivalent of twice the hitpoints that I have on my PTS Template. Many of my deaths were caused by my inability to know at a glance how much of my shields were remaining. On my live char I could refresh shields without concern for the cost.

My template character doesn't have nearly the sustain of my live char, and I'd have more spell damage and magicka to boot. I've never been a big fan of Magicka regen myself other than the "free" stuff. I'll probably be using triple spell damage on all 3 jewelry enchants when the patch goes live.

Spell critical rating on gear is just horrible now since 80-90% of the damage you do is against shields and they've made it cost twice as much as it used to.

I haven't noticed shields stopping the stuns, I think it is because we're almost always afflicted by CC immunity since almost anything you do now in most rotations CCs people. I now save 100% of my stamina for CC breaks unless I'm desperate for magicka and want a few ticks of dark exchange.

2 hander builds are just insane right now. If I'm min-maxing on shields and *template* 2hander builds are cutting through them as fast as I can put them up I don't want to think about what PvP is going to be when more than 1 person is attacking me with a gap closer like that.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

I was using the gear I use on my live sorc (seducer + warlock) which was totally not optimal as I never dropped below ~50% Magicka in any fight but my spell damage was very low with only 1100 but I was too lazy to change it.

Yep, I was running the same setup and I agree it's completely non optimal. Like you said too much magicka sustain, not enough burst.

Stacking more max magicka and more spell damage, seems the way forward to work your way through your opponents shields.

@Derra seems to have mastered that offensive Destro build. I'll try to pick a fight with him tonight to see how it goes.

Imation(sp) (some 2 star icon) had an amazing Desto/pet damage build. He got me after awhile when I screwed up and let my shields drop but his build was doing excellent damage even through I had BoL as I couldn't keep BoL up 100% of the time with a template char.

Sabre Ali was testing out some 2 hander sorc builds and despite being a hybrid was doing very well due to his superior skill. Out of all the fights going on in the duels I enjoyed watching his fights the most for their display of skill.

Most of the other fights were pretty boring to watch, my own included.

Arki

DezIsDead wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Added:

Dark Exchange - I don't like the new mobile version, the old version was much easier to break after a single tick (sometimes your stamina was at 100% and your magicka was something less and it made sense to use a tick). With magicka seeming to last much longer and stamina being more valuable I find myself using this much less...I may end up replacing it with another ability on my bar.

I am also not fond of the mobile version it's a pain for me. Before I would jut tap it to get a small boost of mana after stacking shields, now it seems you get stuck in the animation for an extra tick even if you swap weapons or try to cancel it.

Same here, when healing it used to be a life saver (quick tick before shield or heal), now it can be a killer since it delays my response time too much.

Maulkin

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Imation(sp) (some 2 star icon) had an amazing Desto/pet damage build. He got me after awhile when I screwed up and let my shields drop but his build was doing excellent damage even through I had BoL as I couldn't keep BoL up 100% of the time with a template char.

Sabre Ali was testing out some 2 hander sorc builds and despite being a hybrid was doing very well due to his superior skill. Out of all the fights going on in the duels I enjoyed watching his fights the most for their display of skill.

Most of the other fights were pretty boring to watch, my own included.

Initiation had a destro - streak build initially. We had a fight on Wednesday where I had BoL and it was a major build mismatch that he lost. Yesterday, he had converted to BoL and we had a nice 20+ minute duel that he fairly won. Nice for us but incredibly boring for the spectators.

Sabre Ali wrecked me with his 2H build. I couldn't cope with the stamina cost of that fight. A 3" CC is enough to get you killed against those 2Hers. I don't see how people complain about the damage of caster Sorcs when stamina builds seem so so strong. They complain about Overload hitting for 9k when Crit Rush hits in the same region and the incoming Uppercut can land for 15k.

People say DKs took a nerf, yeah the magicka-tank did, but some S&B/2H stamina builds like the one Pact Honor Guard has on PTS are brutal. 6K invasion + 4" CC + almost infinite sustain on that Invasion, is not to be taken lightly. Not to mention that Petrify now ignores block so they have access to a good, long, hard...CC.

After playing around I came to the conclusion that Streak is not worth it at all imo. Its 1.5" stun is too short to offer any real advantage now that it grants 6" of CC immunity. Nobody bothers breaking it, because by the time you've streaked through and turned around half the duration has passed and you can only get 1 attack off before it ends. If the target has a shield up that one attack won't even hit his HP. So by streaking someone you basically offer them a free 6" CC immunity. Not cool.

You'd be better off to use only Frags for hard CC because it's a) slightly longer and b) you are facing your target when it starts. Thus you can actually get 2 animation cancelled attacks before he stands up. The Frag damage + a previously placed Curse proc + two animation cancelled Crushing Shocks can push your target past the breaking point unless he had 2 full shields.

Just my 2p.

PS: Get on PTS this evening I want to test a retro build. It will be a boring fight guaranteed, but I want to see how it fairs

Also, if you want, we can craft you some gear to improve that Template build.

Ezareth

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Imation(sp) (some 2 star icon) had an amazing Desto/pet damage build. He got me after awhile when I screwed up and let my shields drop but his build was doing excellent damage even through I had BoL as I couldn't keep BoL up 100% of the time with a template char.

Sabre Ali was testing out some 2 hander sorc builds and despite being a hybrid was doing very well due to his superior skill. Out of all the fights going on in the duels I enjoyed watching his fights the most for their display of skill.

Most of the other fights were pretty boring to watch, my own included.

Initiation had a destro - streak build initially. We had a fight on Wednesday where I had BoL and it was a major build mismatch that he lost. Yesterday, he had converted to BoL and we had a nice 20+ minute duel that he fairly won. Nice for us but incredibly boring for the spectators.

Sabre Ali wrecked me with his 2H build. I couldn't cope with the stamina cost of that fight. A 3" CC is enough to get you killed against those 2Hers. I don't see how people complain about the damage of caster Sorcs when stamina builds seem so so strong. They complain about Overload hitting for 9k when Crit Rush hits in the same region and the incoming Uppercut can land for 15k.

People say DKs took a nerf, yeah the magicka-tank did, but some S&B/2H stamina builds like the one Pact Honor Guard has on PTS are brutal. 6K invasion + 4" CC + almost infinite sustain on that Invasion, is not to be taken lightly. Not to mention that Petrify now ignores block so they have access to a good, long, hard...CC.

After playing around I came to the conclusion that Streak is not worth it at all imo. Its 1.5" stun is too short to offer any real advantage now that it grants 6" of CC immunity. Nobody bothers breaking it, because by the time you've streaked through and turned around half the duration has passed and you can only get 1 attack off before it ends. If the target has a shield up that one attack won't even hit his HP. So by streaking someone you basically offer them a free 6" CC immunity. Not cool.

You'd be better off to use only Frags for hard CC because it's a) slightly longer and b) you are facing your target when it starts. Thus you can actually get 2 animation cancelled attacks before he stands up. The Frag damage + a previously placed Curse proc + two animation cancelled Crushing Shocks can push your target past the breaking point unless he had 2 full shields.

Just my 2p.

PS: Get on PTS this evening I want to test a retro build. It will be a boring fight guaranteed, but I want to see how it fairs

Also, if you want, we can craft you some gear to improve that Template build.

Yeah Pack honor Guard wrecked me several times. Even with lightning overload I can't cast it fast enough and keep my shields up long enough to make a burn down some of these people. He invasion spammed me like 10 times in a row. My build is definitely not the best for a circular dueling environment. Having to bolt through my enemies over and over just to stay in the area puts me at a severe disadvantage against stamina builds.

I find that with shields I almost always just let the stuns wear off unless my shields are low. Stamina is too expensive to waste every time you're stunned otherwise.

I tried making the reactive Rune Prison work and it fails for this very reason. It procs while a player is stun immune thus wasting it. I'm going to try the other morph to force a player to waste their stamina breaking free of it every 6 seconds. It is an insanely long stun and can't be blocked now (I think).

Yeah I may take you up on that crafting option to at least get some 5 piece seducer and if possible a Nirnhorned staff. I'll be around tonight at some point.

ToRelax

So, since I was rarely going under 90% Magicka in the duels so far and never was even close to oom, I changed my gear a lot, now running:
5 Arena, 2 Engine Guardian, 2 Adroitness and 2 Light of Cyrodiil.
Thus I have a bit more damage and can survive physical damage with cc thrown at me much better.

The shield stacking meta more or less requires a high burst build, since I can not run anyone oom just by doing pressure at them, even if the meta wouldn't have changed from Streak to BoL, at least for us EU players.

Basically, a little burst rotation to get someone not totally aware or in the knowledge how to defend himself (Harness Magicka/Cloak/Immovable/Scales/Ball of Lighting) would be:
Hardened Ward -> Harness Magicka -> [mines/BoL or both, dependant on opponent's build] -> Degeneration -> Unavoidable Detonation -> Velocious Curse -> Degeneration -> Shooting Star -> Curshing Shock/Light Attack weaving, eventually using instant Crystal Fragments.

My impression is, on one hand Sorcerers have a huge advantage in terms of min maxing their magicka builds because their class shield is Magicka based.
On the other hand, how could it be otherwise, are far to many people calling Sorcerers OP because they repeatedly die to a combo like the above one, while I have seen players of all classes with good situational awareness, easily survive it, if not even kill me with it if I was an idiot again who thought he could through a meteor at some DK.

Mines are a great tool to fight all kinds of melee builds btw, the change to Arena made Immovable completely useless now so I happily swapped it out for Minefield.
With Sabre Ali I agreed on not using mines in our duels as he had only a template. He always gives me a hard time that way, the last duel yesterday he actually won, but he had to use Harness Magicka for it, against his original idea of a heavy armor build without shields. To bad we can't have competitive duels with our live characters on PTS server, no idea how it would go.

themdogesbite

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Imation(sp) (some 2 star icon) had an amazing Desto/pet damage build. He got me after awhile when I screwed up and let my shields drop but his build was doing excellent damage even through I had BoL as I couldn't keep BoL up 100% of the time with a template char.

Sabre Ali was testing out some 2 hander sorc builds and despite being a hybrid was doing very well due to his superior skill. Out of all the fights going on in the duels I enjoyed watching his fights the most for their display of skill.

Most of the other fights were pretty boring to watch, my own included.

After playing around I came to the conclusion that Streak is not worth it at all imo. Its 1.5" stun is too short to offer any real advantage now that it grants 6" of CC immunity. Nobody bothers breaking it, because by the time you've streaked through and turned around half the duration has passed and you can only get 1 attack off before it ends. If the target has a shield up that one attack won't even hit his HP. So by streaking someone you basically offer them a free 6" CC immunity. Not cool.

On the other hand using BoL in duels (which is what PTS is domminated by right now) is incredibly boring and only offer dull fights, it also put people of from fighting you.

Ezareth

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Imation(sp) (some 2 star icon) had an amazing Desto/pet damage build. He got me after awhile when I screwed up and let my shields drop but his build was doing excellent damage even through I had BoL as I couldn't keep BoL up 100% of the time with a template char.

Sabre Ali was testing out some 2 hander sorc builds and despite being a hybrid was doing very well due to his superior skill. Out of all the fights going on in the duels I enjoyed watching his fights the most for their display of skill.

Most of the other fights were pretty boring to watch, my own included.

After playing around I came to the conclusion that Streak is not worth it at all imo. Its 1.5" stun is too short to offer any real advantage now that it grants 6" of CC immunity. Nobody bothers breaking it, because by the time you've streaked through and turned around half the duration has passed and you can only get 1 attack off before it ends. If the target has a shield up that one attack won't even hit his HP. So by streaking someone you basically offer them a free 6" CC immunity. Not cool.

On the other hand using BoL in duels (which is what PTS is domminated by right now) is incredibly boring and only offer dull fights, it also put people of from fighting you.

Haha yeah I've always had a rule of not fighting BoL sorcs. Now that they are going to be more and more common that is going to suck.

RinaldoGandolphi

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Imation(sp) (some 2 star icon) had an amazing Desto/pet damage build. He got me after awhile when I screwed up and let my shields drop but his build was doing excellent damage even through I had BoL as I couldn't keep BoL up 100% of the time with a template char.

Sabre Ali was testing out some 2 hander sorc builds and despite being a hybrid was doing very well due to his superior skill. Out of all the fights going on in the duels I enjoyed watching his fights the most for their display of skill.

Most of the other fights were pretty boring to watch, my own included.

After playing around I came to the conclusion that Streak is not worth it at all imo. Its 1.5" stun is too short to offer any real advantage now that it grants 6" of CC immunity. Nobody bothers breaking it, because by the time you've streaked through and turned around half the duration has passed and you can only get 1 attack off before it ends. If the target has a shield up that one attack won't even hit his HP. So by streaking someone you basically offer them a free 6" CC immunity. Not cool.

On the other hand using BoL in duels (which is what PTS is domminated by right now) is incredibly boring and only offer dull fights, it also put people of from fighting you.

Haha yeah I've always had a rule of not fighting BoL sorcs. Now that they are going to be more and more common that is going to suck.

Yeah BOL getting popular is going to make fighting other BOL sorcs a major pain in the arse.

Derra

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Imation(sp) (some 2 star icon) had an amazing Desto/pet damage build. He got me after awhile when I screwed up and let my shields drop but his build was doing excellent damage even through I had BoL as I couldn't keep BoL up 100% of the time with a template char.

Sabre Ali was testing out some 2 hander sorc builds and despite being a hybrid was doing very well due to his superior skill. Out of all the fights going on in the duels I enjoyed watching his fights the most for their display of skill.

Most of the other fights were pretty boring to watch, my own included.

After playing around I came to the conclusion that Streak is not worth it at all imo. Its 1.5" stun is too short to offer any real advantage now that it grants 6" of CC immunity. Nobody bothers breaking it, because by the time you've streaked through and turned around half the duration has passed and you can only get 1 attack off before it ends. If the target has a shield up that one attack won't even hit his HP. So by streaking someone you basically offer them a free 6" CC immunity. Not cool.

On the other hand using BoL in duels (which is what PTS is domminated by right now) is incredibly boring and only offer dull fights, it also put people of from fighting you.

But only because 99% of people still don´t know that they can heavy attack through bol with staves......

Ezareth

Derra wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Imation(sp) (some 2 star icon) had an amazing Desto/pet damage build. He got me after awhile when I screwed up and let my shields drop but his build was doing excellent damage even through I had BoL as I couldn't keep BoL up 100% of the time with a template char.

Sabre Ali was testing out some 2 hander sorc builds and despite being a hybrid was doing very well due to his superior skill. Out of all the fights going on in the duels I enjoyed watching his fights the most for their display of skill.

Most of the other fights were pretty boring to watch, my own included.

After playing around I came to the conclusion that Streak is not worth it at all imo. Its 1.5" stun is too short to offer any real advantage now that it grants 6" of CC immunity. Nobody bothers breaking it, because by the time you've streaked through and turned around half the duration has passed and you can only get 1 attack off before it ends. If the target has a shield up that one attack won't even hit his HP. So by streaking someone you basically offer them a free 6" CC immunity. Not cool.

On the other hand using BoL in duels (which is what PTS is domminated by right now) is incredibly boring and only offer dull fights, it also put people of from fighting you.

But only because 99% of people still don´t know that they can heavy attack through bol with staves......

Never had any problems with my resto staff ( =

Derra

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Imation(sp) (some 2 star icon) had an amazing Desto/pet damage build. He got me after awhile when I screwed up and let my shields drop but his build was doing excellent damage even through I had BoL as I couldn't keep BoL up 100% of the time with a template char.

Sabre Ali was testing out some 2 hander sorc builds and despite being a hybrid was doing very well due to his superior skill. Out of all the fights going on in the duels I enjoyed watching his fights the most for their display of skill.

Most of the other fights were pretty boring to watch, my own included.

After playing around I came to the conclusion that Streak is not worth it at all imo. Its 1.5" stun is too short to offer any real advantage now that it grants 6" of CC immunity. Nobody bothers breaking it, because by the time you've streaked through and turned around half the duration has passed and you can only get 1 attack off before it ends. If the target has a shield up that one attack won't even hit his HP. So by streaking someone you basically offer them a free 6" CC immunity. Not cool.

On the other hand using BoL in duels (which is what PTS is domminated by right now) is incredibly boring and only offer dull fights, it also put people of from fighting you.

But only because 99% of people still don´t know that they can heavy attack through bol with staves......

Never had any problems with my resto staff ( =

Well that hits like a wet noodle on pts. Fire heavy for 7k+ is something entirely different

Ezareth

Derra wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Imation(sp) (some 2 star icon) had an amazing Desto/pet damage build. He got me after awhile when I screwed up and let my shields drop but his build was doing excellent damage even through I had BoL as I couldn't keep BoL up 100% of the time with a template char.

Sabre Ali was testing out some 2 hander sorc builds and despite being a hybrid was doing very well due to his superior skill. Out of all the fights going on in the duels I enjoyed watching his fights the most for their display of skill.

Most of the other fights were pretty boring to watch, my own included.

After playing around I came to the conclusion that Streak is not worth it at all imo. Its 1.5" stun is too short to offer any real advantage now that it grants 6" of CC immunity. Nobody bothers breaking it, because by the time you've streaked through and turned around half the duration has passed and you can only get 1 attack off before it ends. If the target has a shield up that one attack won't even hit his HP. So by streaking someone you basically offer them a free 6" CC immunity. Not cool.

On the other hand using BoL in duels (which is what PTS is domminated by right now) is incredibly boring and only offer dull fights, it also put people of from fighting you.

But only because 99% of people still don´t know that they can heavy attack through bol with staves......

Never had any problems with my resto staff ( =

Well that hits like a wet noodle on pts. Fire heavy for 7k+ is something entirely different

What am I missing there? Has something changed in my 3 month absence or is it something new with 1.6?

Ezareth

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themdogesbite

So, impossible to go OOM as sorc on PTS, Deadric mines are a joke aswell. Overall burst damage with most builds is silly. It feels like im playing the Call of duty of MMOS.

Asgari

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Imation(sp) (some 2 star icon) had an amazing Desto/pet damage build. He got me after awhile when I screwed up and let my shields drop but his build was doing excellent damage even through I had BoL as I couldn't keep BoL up 100% of the time with a template char.

Sabre Ali was testing out some 2 hander sorc builds and despite being a hybrid was doing very well due to his superior skill. Out of all the fights going on in the duels I enjoyed watching his fights the most for their display of skill.

Most of the other fights were pretty boring to watch, my own included.

After playing around I came to the conclusion that Streak is not worth it at all imo. Its 1.5" stun is too short to offer any real advantage now that it grants 6" of CC immunity. Nobody bothers breaking it, because by the time you've streaked through and turned around half the duration has passed and you can only get 1 attack off before it ends. If the target has a shield up that one attack won't even hit his HP. So by streaking someone you basically offer them a free 6" CC immunity. Not cool.

On the other hand using BoL in duels (which is what PTS is domminated by right now) is incredibly boring and only offer dull fights, it also put people of from fighting you.

But only because 99% of people still don´t know that they can heavy attack through bol with staves......

Never had any problems with my resto staff ( =

Well that hits like a wet noodle on pts. Fire heavy for 7k+ is something entirely different

What am I missing there? Has something changed in my 3 month absence or is it something new with 1.6?

I think people are confusing the fact that a flame staff fully charged heavy attack does 3 types of dmg and a resto staff only does 2. So they see a dos difference and forget how much magicka is returned through the resto channel.