No nice way to say this, but attitudes like this will send this game the wrong direction. The blind support of what some company does will not help them put out a better product. If players are feeling screwed over, ZoS needs to know.
And frankly, as guy that has worked for a variety of different companies dealing with customers, you don't worry about the guys complaining - telling you how you can help them (whether they are nice about it or not) you worry about the guys that don't complain and just leave and never return. So chances are, if there are some players out there hating on changes talking about it, there are more hating on them and just moving on.
This blind support is the same type of fanboy commenting that we went through with Champion Point rollout and when we were trying to talk about/tell the community the game was going to go B2P/F2P. Instead of actually talking about it, fanboys just shut the discussion down with crap like this.
If your best contribution is to take that roll above and tell us to "test" the game for you since you don't have time and then top it off by telling us how to give feedback. Then I would suggest you get on the PTS, make time, and put your money where your mouth is and give your own feedback on the game instead of the guys paying a sub to test it for them and you.
I think if they didn't completely overhaul the game it would be in a better spot than it is now. That's like blowing up a nice house and replacing it with a burnt cardboard box and calling it an improvement.
OK. I agree with some of what you have said. Nearly all of it even gave you an insightful tag on your post. That being said, Many people including myself have what i think is a legitimate grievance.rsiloliveiraub17_ESO wrote: »I came to this section to try to read some of the community feedback and see what is working on 1.6 and what is not because I don't have much time to spend testing it. But sadly what I see is many people complaining about how "ZoS screwed my character", bla bla bla.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are balance issues (not that we didn't have any before 1.6). But many people seem mad because they can't be as effective as before, using the same gear, skills and doing the same thing. Calling any change a nerf and so on.
Come on people, I'm sure we can all handle changes. It is not like they are making everyone level 1 and 0 gold again. I myself "wasted" a lot of time grinding levels, gear, whatever to get the best possible and if my character is not gonna be the same after 1.6 (and it won't) so be it, I will make the changes I need to do and keep playing. In fact I think that is a good thing, having to learn the skills again, check what is good what is not, etc.
We need to think a bit less about ourselves and a bit more about the big picture. They are making all these changes because we asked for it. It might not be perfect, and it never will be, but give them some credit. And yeah, keep in mind they are a company and work under a budget and time limits like every other and cannot fix a huge game like this from one day to another.
No "fanboyism". I'm just being reasonable and not losing my mind because they changed what I like.
Sorry for the long post, just wanted to put that out.
It is just a game people, chill. Peace!
WraithAzraiel wrote: »I think if they didn't completely overhaul the game it would be in a better spot than it is now. That's like blowing up a nice house and replacing it with a burnt cardboard box and calling it an improvement.
Are you kidding me?
As an example of needed changes, on what friggin planet does wearing cloth robes make you more impervious to harm than a suit of heavy armor?
Magical harm? Sure. All types of harm? Abso-friggin-lutely not.
WraithAzraiel wrote: »I think if they didn't completely overhaul the game it would be in a better spot than it is now. That's like blowing up a nice house and replacing it with a burnt cardboard box and calling it an improvement.
Are you kidding me?
As an example of needed changes, on what friggin planet does wearing cloth robes make you more impervious to harm than a suit of heavy armor?
Magical harm? Sure. All types of harm? Abso-friggin-lutely not.
See that point I made? Flying right over there! *Points finger* Dang, it flew right over your head.
I did not say that everything in this update is bad however it has introduced a lot more problems than solutions already. The armor mitigation per type of armor is a decent change however shield stacking, emperor buffs, ridiculous damage output, new broken abilities, abilities changed that didn't need to be changed, passives changed that didn't need to be changed and lack of soft caps (Shouldn't be removed however just raised) have all driven this game into the wrong direction.
Specific Example:
You want ultimate? Well, you better light or heavy attack hit something that doesn't have a damage shield shield up... Oh, wait.
I do believe that this update brings the game into worse shape than what it is on live server. I'd be excited to say that when update 6 hits live servers that all of this will be close to being addressed however I highly doubt it.
I've been trying to point out the syphoning attacks not proc'ing against damage shields forever and it seems that same issue is preventing ultimate generation. I've also been trying to wait for cloak to work properly. Oh hey! They changed the animation! I really hope that wasn't the improvement they were talking about. Heavy Armor Constitution passive? You want resources back while being hit!? Well, you better not use a defensive ability like a damage shield otherwise you won't gain your resources back. All reported months ago. All still broken. All which received changes in 1.6 however not the appropriate fixes necessary.
rsiloliveiraub17_ESO wrote: »No nice way to say this, but attitudes like this will send this game the wrong direction. The blind support of what some company does will not help them put out a better product. If players are feeling screwed over, ZoS needs to know.
And frankly, as guy that has worked for a variety of different companies dealing with customers, you don't worry about the guys complaining - telling you how you can help them (whether they are nice about it or not) you worry about the guys that don't complain and just leave and never return. So chances are, if there are some players out there hating on changes talking about it, there are more hating on them and just moving on.
This blind support is the same type of fanboy commenting that we went through with Champion Point rollout and when we were trying to talk about/tell the community the game was going to go B2P/F2P. Instead of actually talking about it, fanboys just shut the discussion down with crap like this.
If your best contribution is to take that roll above and tell us to "test" the game for you since you don't have time and then top it off by telling us how to give feedback. Then I would suggest you get on the PTS, make time, and put your money where your mouth is and give your own feedback on the game instead of the guys paying a sub to test it for them and you.
I don't see where I said everything is perfect and I support the game 100%. Maybe you can show that in my post.
What I said is that some people are complaining like everything about their character is crap now and there is no way to adapt to the "new reality". I'm not asking anyone to test the game for me and certainly not telling how to express their opinions.
I might not be testing and playing on the PTS but I can read, I know what people are complaining about, I can see what opinions converge and what not.
I don't need to tell you that, but since you misunderstood what I said I use the "/bug" command almost everytime I play because there is always something to improve or fix. I pay the same amount of money everyone else pays and I certainly have my preferences.
Anyway, don't try to make me sound like I support everything they do, because that is not what I said.
I have been a huge supporter of ESO since BETA. I have defended this game at the expense of my integrity and even my personal values at times. I have put a lot into this game, to sum it up.
I will provide feedback HOWEVER I please. If I feel like a problem is huge enough to require immense complaining/criticizing, then I will do what I believe is necessary. I have supported this game since launch, despite the fact it is a laughing stock on the gaming world. I can and will provide feedback however I please. You don't get to tell people how to provide feedback, especially considering you apparently have not eve tried the PTS yourself.
You disapprove of how many of us provide feedback? then get on the PTS yourself, test it yourself, and provide your own feedback. But you have no right or authority to tell people how to act.
Blind support of a game and its developers is what ruined Star Wars: Galaxies.
THAT is what you get when you don't voice your opinions and critiques.
joshisanonymous wrote: »I have been a huge supporter of ESO since BETA. I have defended this game at the expense of my integrity and even my personal values at times. I have put a lot into this game, to sum it up.
I will provide feedback HOWEVER I please. If I feel like a problem is huge enough to require immense complaining/criticizing, then I will do what I believe is necessary. I have supported this game since launch, despite the fact it is a laughing stock on the gaming world. I can and will provide feedback however I please. You don't get to tell people how to provide feedback, especially considering you apparently have not eve tried the PTS yourself.
You disapprove of how many of us provide feedback? then get on the PTS yourself, test it yourself, and provide your own feedback. But you have no right or authority to tell people how to act.
You mean you've had fun playing the game and talking about it since beta, I think that's more accurate. Which is good, I'm glad you felt it was fun enough to do so. And you're certainly allowed to provide feedback, even negative feedback. I think that's expected really. what I'm getting from the OP, though, is that just making post after post after post of, "They destroyed my character! I've been wronged! I'm going to sue you! How could you stab me in the back like this and then start turning the knife slowly! Stop violating me ZoS!", is simply overboard. All it really does is turn the forums into a giant heap of insult garbage that's not useful to anyone. On the other hand, negative feedback could come in the form of something like:
"I feel like I don't have enough unfinished content to make grinding out CP fun. Are the points being given to VR14s equivalent to what one would get by doing all the quests in the game? If not, can the initial number of CPs granted be tied to VR level and the amount of non-repeatable quests finished? This would feel like a more appropriate amount since I can't go back and do most of the content in the game and have to do just repeatable quests and grinding delves."
See how that's a lot more useful than just straight up complaining and actually gives a realistic alternative? You might actually get meaningful discussion out of a post like that, and I imagine people at ZoS will take you much more seriously simply because customers who rant and rave are almost always more trouble than they're worth, speaking from experience. It's too much stress trying to please people who complain that the sky is falling and in most cases it's not actually possible to placate them, so you humor them when necessary but ultimately ignore them.
By all means, go on tirades if you feel it's somehow useful, but I think you're just stressing yourself out over very little in the long run, which I'm pretty sure is the OP's point.
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I just wish they would go ahead and publish it already. My characters have been in limbo for a month. Put it on live as is I say.
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I just wish they would go ahead and publish it already. My characters have been in limbo for a month. Put it on live as is I say.
and watch the game turn into a ghosttown in under a month. if it goes live without some major revamps alot of people will go elsewhere
joshisanonymous wrote: »I have been a huge supporter of ESO since BETA. I have defended this game at the expense of my integrity and even my personal values at times. I have put a lot into this game, to sum it up.
I will provide feedback HOWEVER I please. If I feel like a problem is huge enough to require immense complaining/criticizing, then I will do what I believe is necessary. I have supported this game since launch, despite the fact it is a laughing stock on the gaming world. I can and will provide feedback however I please. You don't get to tell people how to provide feedback, especially considering you apparently have not eve tried the PTS yourself.
You disapprove of how many of us provide feedback? then get on the PTS yourself, test it yourself, and provide your own feedback. But you have no right or authority to tell people how to act.
You mean you've had fun playing the game and talking about it since beta, I think that's more accurate. Which is good, I'm glad you felt it was fun enough to do so. And you're certainly allowed to provide feedback, even negative feedback. I think that's expected really. what I'm getting from the OP, though, is that just making post after post after post of, "They destroyed my character! I've been wronged! I'm going to sue you! How could you stab me in the back like this and then start turning the knife slowly! Stop violating me ZoS!", is simply overboard. All it really does is turn the forums into a giant heap of insult garbage that's not useful to anyone. On the other hand, negative feedback could come in the form of something like:
"I feel like I don't have enough unfinished content to make grinding out CP fun. Are the points being given to VR14s equivalent to what one would get by doing all the quests in the game? If not, can the initial number of CPs granted be tied to VR level and the amount of non-repeatable quests finished? This would feel like a more appropriate amount since I can't go back and do most of the content in the game and have to do just repeatable quests and grinding delves."
See how that's a lot more useful than just straight up complaining and actually gives a realistic alternative? You might actually get meaningful discussion out of a post like that, and I imagine people at ZoS will take you much more seriously simply because customers who rant and rave are almost always more trouble than they're worth, speaking from experience. It's too much stress trying to please people who complain that the sky is falling and in most cases it's not actually possible to placate them, so you humor them when necessary but ultimately ignore them.
By all means, go on tirades if you feel it's somehow useful, but I think you're just stressing yourself out over very little in the long run, which I'm pretty sure is the OP's point.
Alphashado wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I just wish they would go ahead and publish it already. My characters have been in limbo for a month. Put it on live as is I say.
and watch the game turn into a ghosttown in under a month. if it goes live without some major revamps alot of people will go elsewhere
And while you are spending all of your time screaming FIRE on every single thread, the rest of us are learning what changes were made, researching new skills, adjusting our builds, and moving on. The only one that is going to be standing in a ghost town is you because you are living in the past.
Alphashado wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I just wish they would go ahead and publish it already. My characters have been in limbo for a month. Put it on live as is I say.
and watch the game turn into a ghosttown in under a month. if it goes live without some major revamps alot of people will go elsewhere
And while you are spending all of your time screaming FIRE on every single thread, the rest of us are learning what changes were made, researching new skills, adjusting our builds, and moving on. The only one that is going to be standing in a ghost town is you because you are living in the past.
we understand that anyone who is crititcal of this game is a crazy person to you...and zos is the best company ever.
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I just wish they would go ahead and publish it already. My characters have been in limbo for a month. Put it on live as is I say.
and watch the game turn into a ghosttown in under a month. if it goes live without some major revamps alot of people will go elsewhere
I think if they didn't completely overhaul the game it would be in a better spot than it is now. That's like blowing up a nice house and replacing it with a burnt cardboard box and calling it an improvement.