I want my cinder storm defense (miss chance) back.

Domander

They removed the miss chance making this just a dot and snare... I used this ability all the time for the extra defense and now it's useless for that, with no real alternative.

Asgari

Domander wrote: »

They removed the miss chance making this just a dot and snare... I used this ability all the time for the extra defense and now it's useless for that, with no real alternative.

Medium armor skill?

Domander

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

They removed the miss chance making this just a dot and snare... I used this ability all the time for the extra defense and now it's useless for that, with no real alternative.

Medium armor skill?

20% dodge that costs a load of stamina vs 30 % miss chance (along with the snare and dot)

not a suitable replacement

The miss chance also helps allies.

Asgari

Roll more?

Domander

also, it's now a ground targetable AOE, nice... and capped at 22m... are you kidding me?

kaorunandrak

I would like the dodge chance added to this ability rather than the Dot, especially since it was a magica cost skill but I don't think it will be that huge of a deal in the long run.

Dragath

i feel you.
i want my blinding flashes back. (same thing)

Chrlynsch

ZOS ectively removed skills that made you effective against zergs and unkillable in small skirmishes.

Rylana

Yeah, god forbid anyone is actually good at their class and knows how to play it properly. The jealous ones fought tooth and nail to kill off the exceptional so now we can all be mediocre bads.

pmn100b16_ESO

Samadhi

Domander wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

They removed the miss chance making this just a dot and snare... I used this ability all the time for the extra defense and now it's useless for that, with no real alternative.

Medium armor skill?

20% dodge that costs a load of stamina vs 30 % miss chance (along with the snare and dot)

not a suitable replacement

The miss chance also helps allies.

So you're not pleased that buff effects were standardized?
Or, you want the Medium Armour active buffed so it applies a snare and DoT?

kaorunandrak

Well my night blade's miss chance ability was changed to a dodge chance and it still has supplemental buffs that go along side it (speed,armor buff). If ash cloud was left the same but the miss chance was changed to dodge I think it would have been a perfect trade off, the buff would have lost 10% of it's potency due to the standardization which would have been fine. Again It's something I would have preferred and I think would have gone over better but I don't think it's a game breaking Nerf in any way shape or form.

I was far more concerned with Molten weapons being changed into a heavy attack buff as I liked using it in pvp for added fire damage on top of my disease weapon enchant as a 2h user spamming heavy attack in pvp isn't really possible in my expeirence.

Reverend

So the last skill under Earthen Heart is a targetable AE snare + dot that everyone can just roll out of? Do I have that right for the fifth ability of Earthen Heart? A waste of [snip] mana!

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Domander

Samadhi wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

They removed the miss chance making this just a dot and snare... I used this ability all the time for the extra defense and now it's useless for that, with no real alternative.

Medium armor skill?

20% dodge that costs a load of stamina vs 30 % miss chance (along with the snare and dot)

not a suitable replacement

The miss chance also helps allies.

So you're not pleased that buff effects were standardized?
Or, you want the Medium Armour active buffed so it applies a snare and DoT?

Neither.

Buff effects good, medium armor skill is fine and has nothing to do with this conversation.

cinder storm being complete crap now is what I have a problem with, I'd rather a complete redesign instead of being just a snare with really crappy damage. (which it did before in addition to it's main effect of the miss chance)

but, oh well

Arato

I also want the miss chance back, I used it as a tank during trash pulls to protect the healer. You don't have aoe taunts so healers are vulnerable during trash pulls.

kaorunandrak

Like I said earlier Miss chance was flat out removed from game. They should have changed it to dodge chance.

Ash cloud: old snare value, no Damage, 20% Dodge chance, PBAOE

Cinder Storm: Old Snare, Light Damage, 20% Dodge Chance, PBAOE

Eruption: New Snare, Heavy Damage, GTAOE

Domander

kaorunandrak wrote: »

Like I said earlier Miss chance was flat out removed from game. They should have changed it to dodge chance.

Ash cloud: old snare value, no Damage, 20% Dodge chance, PBAOE

Cinder Storm: Old Snare, Light Damage, 20% Dodge Chance, PBAOE

Eruption: New Snare, Heavy Damage, GTAOE

This would be ok, with the way they have buffs and debuffs setup they'd probably have to make it a buff to any allies standing in it instead of an enemy debuff.

kewl

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

They removed the miss chance making this just a dot and snare... I used this ability all the time for the extra defense and now it's useless for that, with no real alternative.

Medium armor skill?

Cinder Storm was big part of my tank rotation.

In 1.5 Evasion does not stack with Hist Bark. If it remains the same in 1.6, Evasion is not an adequate substitute for Ash Cloud and morphs.

kewl

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Roll more?

Not necessarily a viable option for tanks who depend on stam for blocking. But in PvP, yes.

Shadesofkin

I really do feel that this is not an acceptable change to the ability. I completely understand removing miss chances from the game, but it needs to then be replaced with dodge chance buff or perhaps regeneration buff. As it stands now it's become a lousy ability that I don't want on my bar, taking the place of the once hated Inferno.

Kaghei

at least give us the old cast style back

Shadesofkin

Really if we're going to have to take time to aim it, it'd better come with some sort of debuff. Most players in pvp are going to roll out of it and now that tanks aren't going to be using it to keep trash off the healer, they should be able to use it to debuff the ranged enemies.

I'd rather they simply give me a dodge chance buff, but if you're going to go a different route, make that route worth the effort (it's a fifth rank ability after all).

tinythinker

Yeah, the miss chance is gone from Ash Cloud and Blinding Light and Sparks are completely gone in 1.6. If you like the play style, the closest thing I could find on the PTS is a Championship passive called Tactician that sets an enemy off balance if you dodge the attack.

Dreddnawt

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Dragonknight

• Ash Cloud
  • Ash Cloud is a now a ground-targeted area of effect ability. It no longer affects an enemy’s miss chance, but instead snares your enemy by 70%.
  • Increased the damage radius of Ash Cloud and its morphs to 5 meters from 4 meters.
  • Cinder Storm (morph): This ability now snares enemies for 2.5 seconds, after they leave the area of effect. The damage dealt by Cinder Storm now increases with each rank of the ability.
  • Eruption Now (morph): This ability now deals damage instantly. This damage amount increases with each rank.

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Templar

• Blinding Light
  • The ability Blinding Light has been removed, and replaced with Radiant Destruction.
• Radiant Destruction
  • This new ability has replaced Blinding Light. Any experience you had in Blinding Light will automatically apply to Radiant Destruction.
  • Radiant Destruction is a channeled, magicka-based beam with a range of 28 meters and a duration of 3 seconds. It does moderate damage against enemies, but that damage increases against targets who are low in health.
  • Radiant Glory (morph): This ability heals the caster for 20% of the amount of damage dealt by the ability.
  • Radiant Oppression (morph): This ability will now deal more damage depending on how much unspent magicka you have. A caster with 100% magicka will receive a 40% bonus to the damage from this ability.

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Dual Wield

• Sparks
  • This ability has been removed, and replaced with a new ability: Blade Cloak.
  • When activated, Blade Cloak reduces area of effect damage taken by the caster by 20% for 15 seconds. Whenever the caster takes area of effect damage, this ability will deal damage to all nearby enemies. Blade Cloak can only fire once every 2 seconds.
  • Quick Cloak (morph): This ability provides the buff Major Expedition for 5 seconds.
  • Deadly Cloak (morph): When cast, this ability allows you to throw a dagger that deals high damage. This ability can only be used once, and only within ten seconds of the cast.

As you see here, Templars took a nerf to their Blinding Flashes ability but at least it was replaced with a viable Tier 5 skill. Same thing goes for Dual Wielders who use Sparks, lost a good ability but at least its been replaced with something that could be very useful and is definitely on par with Tier 4.

For Dragonknights we've lost one of our most useful and commonly utilized Tier 5 abilities and had it replaced with a crappy Snare. WTH is that ZOS? Oh yeah, lets not forget that a Tier 2 passive adds innate Snare to our fire attacks so another Snare is COMPLETELY USELESS. So now we have a high cost area effect NOTHING that will take us 40 levels to unlock. Thanks a ton. =/

The point being that not only has ZOS completely screwed the Ash Cloud ability, theyve done it blatantly with total disregard for DK players or any sense of fairness or balance whatsoever.
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As I am not one to gripe and complain without some sort of constructive feedback, I will say the easiest solutions were stated above. Simply add the Major Evasion buff to Ash Cloud and nerf or remove the Snare. 20% Dodge increase is acceptable provided it can still stack with gear passive effects such as Hist Bark.

Armitas

All we did this update is exchange 1 unused T5 skill for another. The only way this would be useful without the miss chance is if the radius was large enough to give a positional advantage for a melee class or for a raid as a cheaper forward snare. I wouldn't mind seeing it become a castable group buff either as I rolled DK because it was the closest to a buff class that I could find.

Jaerlach

All miss chance was removed from eso.


Inferno was used in pve dps. Ash cloud will be used too, as it's damage is better and it will be another dot for valkyn procs.


Its a big loss for pvp and for pve aoe tanking. It was a great mitigation skill.

jopeymonster

I don't usually agree with posts that complain about DKs since they have always been over buffed, but this was a bad move and I would consider it an unnecessary nerf.

Dreddnawt wrote: »

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As I am not one to gripe and complain without some sort of constructive feedback, I will say the easiest solutions were stated above. Simply add the Major Evasion buff to Ash Cloud and nerf or remove the Snare. 20% Dodge increase is acceptable provided it can still stack with gear passive effects such as Hist Bark.

I don't know about adding the Major buff, but a Minor Evasion would be acceptable. This being an AoE skill, it shouldn't be too powerful, but as T5 ability, it definitely needs something other then a snare. There are already too many options for AoE CC for DKs. I'm not sure if this is happening now, but keeping it as a Minor Evasion buff as I suggested AND having it benefit friendly players would be perfectly acceptable IMHO.

But I'm too cool to play a DK, so my opinion is inessential.

Xeniph

Wait, you are complaining about having a RANGED snare+dot.
Speaking for my NB, I'll take it then.

Speaking for my DK, I'll take that any day over a 30% miss chance debuff any day. It's ranged, It's spammable (without suffering from CC immunities) Builds Stamina with the passive, reveals stealthers (Free Flare). Yes please.

Aimelin

DKs still have 99% of all their other abilities that are by far better than some classes' abilities .... you lost something, deal with it, you're still OP as hell

Darlgon

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Dragonknight

• Ash Cloud
  • Ash Cloud is a now a ground-targeted area of effect ability. It no longer affects an enemy’s miss chance, but instead snares your enemy by 70%.
  • Increased the damage radius of Ash Cloud and its morphs to 5 meters from 4 meters.
  • Cinder Storm (morph): This ability now snares enemies for 2.5 seconds, after they leave the area of effect. The damage dealt by Cinder Storm now increases with each rank of the ability.
  • Eruption Now (morph): This ability now deals damage instantly. This damage amount increases with each rank.

Yeah. I bugged that one as soon as I saw it.

Xeniph wrote: »

Wait, you are complaining about having a RANGED snare+dot.
Speaking for my NB, I'll take it then.

Here's the deal. ZoS swapped an ability that dropped at a tank-type's feet and made them more survivable while you forgot about it, to a distance based ground-targetable mess that takes three clicks, (choose skill, locate and then activate.), and does a snare that any tank would find useless, as they were using it on in their face mobs.

Aimelin

Darlgon wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Dragonknight

• Ash Cloud
  • Ash Cloud is a now a ground-targeted area of effect ability. It no longer affects an enemy’s miss chance, but instead snares your enemy by 70%.
  • Increased the damage radius of Ash Cloud and its morphs to 5 meters from 4 meters.
  • Cinder Storm (morph): This ability now snares enemies for 2.5 seconds, after they leave the area of effect. The damage dealt by Cinder Storm now increases with each rank of the ability.
  • Eruption Now (morph): This ability now deals damage instantly. This damage amount increases with each rank.

Yeah. I bugged that one as soon as I saw it.

Xeniph wrote: »

Wait, you are complaining about having a RANGED snare+dot.
Speaking for my NB, I'll take it then.

Here's the deal. ZoS swapped an ability that dropped at a tank-type's feet and made them more survivable while you forgot about it, to a distance based ground-targetable mess that takes three clicks, (choose skill, locate and then activate.), and does a snare that any tank would find useless, as they were using it on in their face mobs.

didn't know that hovering over a location was considered clicking ....

you're still not getting the miss chance back, its too op in pvp, deal with it, as other classes had or are having to deal with stupid nerfs / useless buffs