Bows should do Siege Damage

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO · January 2015

Bows already hit players harder than siege weapons do, might as well let them do Siege damage as well.

Think about it, you would no longer have to waste bags space, and sieging keeps would be a whole lot faster.

Columba · January 2015

Get decent armor. Running around in light armor with no crit protection is no way to go through life, son.

Asgari · January 2015

Columba wrote: »

Get decent armor. Running around in light armor with no crit protection is no way to go through life, son.

Light Armor with 5 impen holding block they still hot for 500 with a heal debuff.

Famemonster · January 2015

Columba wrote: »

Get decent armor. Running around in light armor with no crit protection is no way to go through life, son.

Is that an app on your phone that let's you know when someone posts something about bows on the forums.

Sanct16 · January 2015

Columba wrote: »

Get decent armor. Running around in light armor with no crit protection is no way to go through life, son.

True. Bow damage is not over the top at all....

slowassferrariub17_ESO · January 2015

Columba is so good he doesn't need to use offensive skills, guy just dodge rolls everyone to death it's crazy.

saintmurray · January 2015

Ive been saying it for a while that bows are still under powered. They should hit for 57,000, add a healing debuff, have a range of 6miles, not bring a player out of stealth, be an instant cast, restore stamina to full, and award 10k ap if you manage to get a kill. Then and maybe then only will bows finally be balanced. Why does ZOS hate bow users?!

Roechacca · January 2015

DK's should do siege damage too just by ramming their heads against doors

kelly.medleyb14_ESO · January 2015

Let me guess, you guys are sorcs, I can tell by the whine in your typing from clear down in Texas.

Plus, only a sorc would have the audacity to QQ about bows when they have CF, EF and Streak.

Maidenname · January 2015

roechacca wrote: »

DK's should do siege damage too just by ramming their heads against doors

Hahahaha ha...... And clip their wings off... B-)

DDuke · January 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Get decent armor. Running around in light armor with no crit protection is no way to go through life, son.

Light Armor with 5 impen holding block they still hot for 500 with a heal debuff.

Oh noes... evil bow users deal 460DPS on your light armour character? The nerve on them!
They shouldn't deal more than 3% of your health, because block=magma armour. NERF!

Disclaimer: I'm being sarcastic btw

Domander · January 2015

Pretty much everything does more damage than siege. What do you got against bows?

Asgari · January 2015

DDuke wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Get decent armor. Running around in light armor with no crit protection is no way to go through life, son.

Light Armor with 5 impen holding block they still hot for 500 with a heal debuff.

Oh noes... evil bow users deal 460DPS on your light armour character? The nerve on them!
They shouldn't deal more than 3% of your health, because block=magma armour. NERF!

I'm being sarcastic btw

What's crazy is I've used your build previously on a NB and you of all people should know how strong bow is currently.

Let's take talk away from bow being a NB only weapon because honestly every class uses it and bow is used the most bow for a reason. Heavy attacks hit for insane damage along with venom arrow. Bow does what multiple class skills do all in one with an insane range.

Hopefully 1.6 takes care of these issues.

DDuke · January 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Get decent armor. Running around in light armor with no crit protection is no way to go through life, son.

Light Armor with 5 impen holding block they still hot for 500 with a heal debuff.

Oh noes... evil bow users deal 460DPS on your light armour character? The nerve on them!
They shouldn't deal more than 3% of your health, because block=magma armour. NERF!

I'm being sarcastic btw

What's crazy is I've used your build previously on a NB and you of all people should know how strong bow is currently.

Let's take talk away from bow being a NB only weapon because honestly every class uses it and bow is used the most bow for a reason. Heavy attacks hit for insane damage along with venom arrow. Bow does what multiple class skills do all in one with an insane range.

Hopefully 1.6 takes care of these issues.

Bow (note: not snipe spam) is strong, but so are many other things in the game.

DKs tanking/killing 20 people, infinite resource builds that you cant kill without a similar build (fights take 15-30mins, it's basicly who gets bored first at that point), block casting/permablock...

I don't agree with being able to "one shot" people as it doesn't really take much skill, but currently it is the only way of killing someone without playing the "resource game".

Give me counters to heal/dmg shield spam, a way to get past permablock and/or CC that does what it's supposed to do (crowd control, not drain stamina), and I'm happy to see TTK increased.

To put it more elaborately: players should die (and not in 1-3 seconds) when they run out of health, not when they run out of stamina and/or magicka.

Asgari · January 2015

DDuke wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Get decent armor. Running around in light armor with no crit protection is no way to go through life, son.

Light Armor with 5 impen holding block they still hot for 500 with a heal debuff.

Oh noes... evil bow users deal 460DPS on your light armour character? The nerve on them!
They shouldn't deal more than 3% of your health, because block=magma armour. NERF!

I'm being sarcastic btw

What's crazy is I've used your build previously on a NB and you of all people should know how strong bow is currently.

Let's take talk away from bow being a NB only weapon because honestly every class uses it and bow is used the most bow for a reason. Heavy attacks hit for insane damage along with venom arrow. Bow does what multiple class skills do all in one with an insane range.

Hopefully 1.6 takes care of these issues.

Bow (note: not snipe spam) is strong, but so are many other things in the game.

DKs tanking/killing 20 people, infinite resource builds that you cant kill without a similar build (fights take 15-30mins, it's basicly who gets bored first at that point), block casting/permablock...

I don't agree with being able to "one shot" people as it doesn't really take much skill, but currently it is the only way of killing someone without playing the "resource game".

Give me counters to heal/dmg shield spam, a way to get past permablock and/or CC that does what it's supposed to do (crowd control, not drain stamina), and I'm happy to see TTK increased.

To put it more elaborately: players should die (and not in 1-3 seconds) when they run out of health, not when they run out of stamina and/or magicka.

1.6 removes a lot of those features and keeps shield stacking to a minimum. Hopefully bow is adjusted as well. Snipe is a bad stereotype and should be rephrased for what it really is... Bows.

Columba · January 2015

slowassferrariub17_ESO wrote: »

Columba is so good he doesn't need to use offensive skills, guy just dodge rolls everyone to death it's crazy.

hahah roll dodge is op

Tripwyr · January 2015

Ideally the healing debuff effect should be removed from the game or substantially reduced (15-20% tops), and healing should be reduced accordingly. This would ensure healers are reasonably possible to kill without a bow while bringing bows to a reasonable level of power compared to other skills.

Secondly, the projectile arc (or projectile travel time) needs to be significantly reduced. The ability to cast several snipes before the first lands is ridiculous. I continue getting hit by snipes even after 2 seconds behind a wall.

Asgari · January 2015

Tripwyr wrote: »

Ideally the healing debuff effect should be removed from the game or substantially reduced (15-20% tops), and healing should be reduced accordingly. This would ensure healers are reasonably possible to kill without a bow while bringing bows to a reasonable level of power compared to other skills.

Secondly, the projectile arc (or projectile travel time) needs to be significantly reduced. The ability to cast several snipes before the first lands is ridiculous. I continue getting hit by snipes even after 2 seconds behind a wall.

But DKs man the pesky DKs .... It's all their fault. Bows are fantabulous and need no fixing ....

Am I doing it right?

Cody · January 2015

DKs should be able to reflect siege weapon attacks.

I demand this change be made immediately. DKs are extremely underpowered right now, and this change would surely bring them up to par with the other 3 classes.

/end sarcasm

The_Man_From_Stygia · January 2015

I'm surprised I didn't see the clip from Monty Python there they are hacking at the castle walls in this thread.

Yusuf · January 2015

i'm glad at least one class can counter these annoying archers :P

Pancake-Tragedy · January 2015

Yusuf wrote: »

i'm glad at least one class can counter these annoying archers :P

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO · January 2015

I mean seriously. You all know they hit as harder than a trebuchet

thelordoffelines · January 2015

DDuke wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Get decent armor. Running around in light armor with no crit protection is no way to go through life, son.

Light Armor with 5 impen holding block they still hot for 500 with a heal debuff.

Oh noes... evil bow users deal 460DPS on your light armour character? The nerve on them!
They shouldn't deal more than 3% of your health, because block=magma armour. NERF!

I'm being sarcastic btw

What's crazy is I've used your build previously on a NB and you of all people should know how strong bow is currently.

Let's take talk away from bow being a NB only weapon because honestly every class uses it and bow is used the most bow for a reason. Heavy attacks hit for insane damage along with venom arrow. Bow does what multiple class skills do all in one with an insane range.

Hopefully 1.6 takes care of these issues.

Bow (note: not snipe spam) is strong, but so are many other things in the game.

DKs tanking/killing 20 people, infinite resource builds that you cant kill without a similar build (fights take 15-30mins, it's basicly who gets bored first at that point), block casting/permablock...

I don't agree with being able to "one shot" people as it doesn't really take much skill, but currently it is the only way of killing someone without playing the "resource game".

Give me counters to heal/dmg shield spam, a way to get past permablock and/or CC that does what it's supposed to do (crowd control, not drain stamina), and I'm happy to see TTK increased.

To put it more elaborately: players should die (and not in 1-3 seconds) when they run out of health, not when they run out of stamina and/or magicka.

What's wrong with playing the resource game? The idea of the resource game is that people can defend themselves if they have resources... Should they not be able to defend themselves?

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

Let me guess, you guys are sorcs, I can tell by the whine in your typing from clear down in Texas.

Plus, only a sorc would have the audacity to QQ about bows when they have CF, EF and Streak.

Did you really just compare snipe and crystal fragments?

timidobserver · January 2015

I am in favor of being able to knock down walls with my bow. ZOS make it happen.

Roechacca · January 2015

By this logic all character damage should be nerfed under siege damage . Sure , make it happen . Let the painfully long slap fights begin . Or ... Raise siege damage on players .

DDuke · January 2015

thelordoffelines wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Get decent armor. Running around in light armor with no crit protection is no way to go through life, son.

Light Armor with 5 impen holding block they still hot for 500 with a heal debuff.

Oh noes... evil bow users deal 460DPS on your light armour character? The nerve on them!
They shouldn't deal more than 3% of your health, because block=magma armour. NERF!

I'm being sarcastic btw

What's crazy is I've used your build previously on a NB and you of all people should know how strong bow is currently.

Let's take talk away from bow being a NB only weapon because honestly every class uses it and bow is used the most bow for a reason. Heavy attacks hit for insane damage along with venom arrow. Bow does what multiple class skills do all in one with an insane range.

Hopefully 1.6 takes care of these issues.

Bow (note: not snipe spam) is strong, but so are many other things in the game.

DKs tanking/killing 20 people, infinite resource builds that you cant kill without a similar build (fights take 15-30mins, it's basicly who gets bored first at that point), block casting/permablock...

I don't agree with being able to "one shot" people as it doesn't really take much skill, but currently it is the only way of killing someone without playing the "resource game".

Give me counters to heal/dmg shield spam, a way to get past permablock and/or CC that does what it's supposed to do (crowd control, not drain stamina), and I'm happy to see TTK increased.

To put it more elaborately: players should die (and not in 1-3 seconds) when they run out of health, not when they run out of stamina and/or magicka.

What's wrong with playing the resource game? The idea of the resource game is that people can defend themselves if they have resources... Should they not be able to defend themselves?

I could go into personal reasons why I dislike that playstyle, but I'm afraid people would just get offended & ignore everything else I have to say, so I'll skip that part.

I'm not saying people who like to play that way shouldn't be able to do so, but it should not be the only way to play competitively, and being able to play super defensively should come at the cost of offense (which it currently doesn't).

If people want a pure resource fight (who runs out of stamina/magicka first, instead of who runs out of health first), then they should fight people with a similar defensive playstyle. In other fights against players with different playstyle, there should be more factors than your magicka/stamina bar.
That's how you create diverse & interesting PvP.

You can easily have heals/dmg shields on one bar (or both), and still deal just as much damage as the person who is trying to get past the block/shield+heal spam.

Couple this with the fact that defensive abilities are more cost effective than offensive ones (you get 1k+ shield or heal for less cost than it takes to deal equal amount of damage), and the fact that they prevent crits altogether (A bug? An intended feature? No one knows), are spammable and have no cast time or any kind of counter, and you'll see the issue.

Or maybe you don't, and you'll just tell me to slot a damage shield/heal and play in exact same way as over 90% of the population (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/144002/do-you-have-a-heal-or-a-dmg-shield-slotted-on-your-hotbar/p1).

thelordoffelines wrote: »

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

Let me guess, you guys are sorcs, I can tell by the whine in your typing from clear down in Texas.

Plus, only a sorc would have the audacity to QQ about bows when they have CF, EF and Streak.

Did you really just compare snipe and crystal fragments?

Crystal Fragments actually has better base damage (meaning higher out of stealth damage) than Snipe, and its cast time is being reduced in 1.6.

Just saying

kijima · January 2015

Famemonster wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Get decent armor. Running around in light armor with no crit protection is no way to go through life, son.

Is that an app on your phone that let's you know when someone posts something about bows on the forums.

On top of that, Columba runs a script for when impulse is discussed in a thread, how else do you think he manages to make comments about impulse spamming chimps in every thread.

He couldn't be that obsessed with impulse... could he?

Columba · January 2015

obsessed with aoe lagspamming exploiters.

ToRelax · January 2015

DDuke wrote: »

thelordoffelines wrote: »

Did you really just compare snipe and crystal fragments?

Crystal Fragments actually has better base damage (meaning higher out of stealth damage) than Snipe, and its cast time is being reduced in 1.6.

Just saying

That base damage comparison between magicka based class and stamina based weapon ability makes no sense...

For the cast time, fragments have much smaller range, anyone with poison arrow or crushing shock will interrupt hard casting, plus it's mana waste.
I
nstead of a knockdown that mostly won't knock down the enemy cauz cc immunity / blocking and even if it does he just breaks instantly, lethal arrow got a heal debuff.

thelordoffelines · January 2015

DDuke wrote: »

thelordoffelines wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Get decent armor. Running around in light armor with no crit protection is no way to go through life, son.

Light Armor with 5 impen holding block they still hot for 500 with a heal debuff.

Oh noes... evil bow users deal 460DPS on your light armour character? The nerve on them!
They shouldn't deal more than 3% of your health, because block=magma armour. NERF!

I'm being sarcastic btw

What's crazy is I've used your build previously on a NB and you of all people should know how strong bow is currently.

Let's take talk away from bow being a NB only weapon because honestly every class uses it and bow is used the most bow for a reason. Heavy attacks hit for insane damage along with venom arrow. Bow does what multiple class skills do all in one with an insane range.

Hopefully 1.6 takes care of these issues.

Bow (note: not snipe spam) is strong, but so are many other things in the game.

DKs tanking/killing 20 people, infinite resource builds that you cant kill without a similar build (fights take 15-30mins, it's basicly who gets bored first at that point), block casting/permablock...

I don't agree with being able to "one shot" people as it doesn't really take much skill, but currently it is the only way of killing someone without playing the "resource game".

Give me counters to heal/dmg shield spam, a way to get past permablock and/or CC that does what it's supposed to do (crowd control, not drain stamina), and I'm happy to see TTK increased.

To put it more elaborately: players should die (and not in 1-3 seconds) when they run out of health, not when they run out of stamina and/or magicka.

What's wrong with playing the resource game? The idea of the resource game is that people can defend themselves if they have resources... Should they not be able to defend themselves?

I could go into personal reasons why I dislike that playstyle, but I'm afraid people would just get offended & ignore everything else I have to say, so I'll skip that part.

I'm not saying people who like to play that way shouldn't be able to do so, but it should not be the only way to play competitively, and being able to play super defensively should come at the cost of offense (which it currently doesn't).

If people want a pure resource fight (who runs out of stamina/magicka first, instead of who runs out of health first), then they should fight people with a similar defensive playstyle. In other fights against players with different playstyle, there should be more factors than your magicka/stamina bar.
That's how you create diverse & interesting PvP.

You can easily have heals/dmg shields on one bar (or both), and still deal just as much damage as the person who is trying to get past the block/shield+heal spam.

Couple this with the fact that defensive abilities are more cost effective than offensive ones (you get 1k+ shield or heal for less cost than it takes to deal equal amount of damage), and the fact that they prevent crits altogether (A bug? An intended feature? No one knows), are spammable and have no cast time or any kind of counter, and you'll see the issue.

Or maybe you don't, and you'll just tell me to slot a damage shield/heal and play in exact same way as over 90% of the population (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/144002/do-you-have-a-heal-or-a-dmg-shield-slotted-on-your-hotbar/p1).

thelordoffelines wrote: »

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

Let me guess, you guys are sorcs, I can tell by the whine in your typing from clear down in Texas.

Plus, only a sorc would have the audacity to QQ about bows when they have CF, EF and Streak.

Did you really just compare snipe and crystal fragments?

Crystal Fragments actually has better base damage (meaning higher out of stealth damage) than Snipe, and its cast time is being reduced in 1.6.

Just saying

Well you cam gank to avoid the recourse game but I digress on that issue....

But crystal fragments is extremely easy to see and you cant cast it from stealth. When it actually hits your right its great but it rarely does if you cast it.