Player created content - Suggestion for the future of ESO

Shunravi

Gidorick wrote: »

Kaizxen wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

The PTS being used as a proving ground would be very cool.

And charging for playing quests isn't ideal but ZOS has changed how they make money with ESO, so there's got to be a way to monetize this.

This suggestion was posted prior to the b2p announcement.

IMO, player-made content would be indirectly monetized by helping ZOS retain players, especially since ZOS has stated that their own development of new content is going to slow down.

If anything, ZOS should be giving modders incentives for creating content for the game, but most modders are willing to do so just for the fun of it.

ZOS could, however, stipulate that certain types of content (mount skins, for example) are exclusive to the cash shop and off limits to modders so that their anticipated profits from the cash shop are not negatively affected.

I would say the skins and mounts should be able to be used in the level as npcs and props, to advertise the content. Releasing Crown Store content as Community level assets prior to their release (2 months prior?) could be a good way to advertise.

I like that. If it's kept in the created instance, then it will serve as advertising.

If flipped the other way, what if to use those assets you had to buy them in the crown store?

Gidorick

Kaizxen wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

I would say the skins and mounts should be able to be used in the level as npcs and props, to advertise the content. Releasing Crown Store content as Community level assets prior to their release (2 months prior?) could be a good way to advertise.

That's a good thought.

By "off limits" I just meant that modders wouldn't be able to create their own mounts, since that's likely to be a large part of the cash shop income for ZOS.

Oh yea. I agree but think there COULD be an opportunity for ZOS to allow players to submit their mounts and costumes for sale and the player gets X% of the profits after X number of units are sold. No effort in ZOS' part. Pure profit (minus the moderation and approval of content) this would free ZOS up to working on the game and producing DLC.

Gidorick

Shunravi wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Kaizxen wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

The PTS being used as a proving ground would be very cool.

And charging for playing quests isn't ideal but ZOS has changed how they make money with ESO, so there's got to be a way to monetize this.

This suggestion was posted prior to the b2p announcement.

IMO, player-made content would be indirectly monetized by helping ZOS retain players, especially since ZOS has stated that their own development of new content is going to slow down.

If anything, ZOS should be giving modders incentives for creating content for the game, but most modders are willing to do so just for the fun of it.

ZOS could, however, stipulate that certain types of content (mount skins, for example) are exclusive to the cash shop and off limits to modders so that their anticipated profits from the cash shop are not negatively affected.

I would say the skins and mounts should be able to be used in the level as npcs and props, to advertise the content. Releasing Crown Store content as Community level assets prior to their release (2 months prior?) could be a good way to advertise.

I like that. If it's kept in the created instance, then it will serve as advertising.

If flipped the other way, what if to use those assets you had to buy them in the crown store?

Hmm... I think that's an interesting dilemma... Which would generate more revenue. You can't really underestimate the power of advertising and creators would want to use the assets ASAP so players would want to visit their level to see the new items.

Without content moderation this would lead to waves of crap gallery quests... but if ZOS were willing to put in the MOD time it would be one of those situations that gets fixed by removing the offending elements.... but there would be initial abuse.

If the creators didn't purchase the items they could be subject to stricter guidelines and could have their access revoked if they publish "spam-quests". ZOS would have greater creative control. Besides, the creator's wouldn't own the items for their characters, just for use in their levels.

Shunravi

Cmon, let's get some $$ in ZOS' eyes so they actually consider implementing this.

Kallipsoe

Player created content is what this game needs to have. I would definitely pay $$ for this as a DLC. It would give players who liked creating quests something to do and those who like running quests something to do.

Makkir

I would like to see more PvP Objectives:

-Owning certain enemy keeps will enable faction PvE buffs like:
- 5% increase in gold drops
- 10% better quality loot chance
- 10% more resources harvested from nodes

Raids
- Bosses dropping unique, consumable trade goods used in crafting.

Heromofo

Bloodystab wrote: »

I want access to 3d models viewer & animations its all i really need + free time hehe

yep this ||||

And @Gidorick

You know that i fight tooth and nail for them to let us in and will support this as best as i can.


+1 Heromofo

Gidorick

I'm really surprised that no one has figured out how to extract the 3d models from the packets that are received during gameplay.

Heck... if that were possible I would totally 3d Print my character. hehe

MercyKilling

Wow. Talk about undead walking.

Heromofo

MercyKilling wrote: »

Wow. Talk about undead walking.

RISE THREAD RISE!

INCREASE MY POWER!

NOW WATCH AS I LEVEL UP MY INSIGHTFULS!!!

MercyKilling

Heromofo wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

Wow. Talk about undead walking.

RISE THREAD RISE!

INCREASE MY POWER!

NOW WATCH AS I LEVEL UP MY INSIGHTFULS!!!

For the record, I am totally not against player created content. I am in fact, very much FOR it.

Heromofo

MercyKilling wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

Wow. Talk about undead walking.

RISE THREAD RISE!

INCREASE MY POWER!

NOW WATCH AS I LEVEL UP MY INSIGHTFULS!!!

For the record, I am totally not against player created content. I am in fact, very much FOR it.

I know just wanted to use that gif finally lol.

Gidorick

Heromofo wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

Wow. Talk about undead walking.

RISE THREAD RISE!

INCREASE MY POWER!

NOW WATCH AS I LEVEL UP MY INSIGHTFULS!!!

For the record, I am totally not against player created content. I am in fact, very much FOR it.

I know just wanted to use that gif finally lol.

That is a great gif. hehe

Heromofo

Gidorick wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

Wow. Talk about undead walking.

RISE THREAD RISE!

INCREASE MY POWER!

NOW WATCH AS I LEVEL UP MY INSIGHTFULS!!!

For the record, I am totally not against player created content. I am in fact, very much FOR it.

I know just wanted to use that gif finally lol.

That is a great gif. hehe

Great gif for a great post Gidorick you know how bad i want companions hell i wrote up a dam story line to a companion im 10 minutes just to show them how easy it can go in and its really well done from childhood to adult and her mother.

wookiefriseur

This is a thread that just HAD TO BE resurrected.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Vikestart wrote: »

I really don't like the thought of player created content. There's no quality assurance for things like staying true to the lore, etc.

As someone who has spent hundreds, and I do mean literally hundreds, of hours designing adventures using the Neverwinter Foundry let me give you a partial insight as to why Content Authors do it: to have their creations played by hundreds, and thousands of players. Last time I dropped in to Neverwinter my Trilogy had in excess of 50,000 plays and was still earning me Astral Diamonds as tips.

Now to be honest, my first one was just to see if I could do it - but the feedback from it was positive and I decided to add two more episodes to it.

If Players are discerning enough to not play the "bad" (as in terms of lore) content then Authors will, by and large, stop creating such content.

If Players repeatedly play and praise the good (in terms of lore) content then Authors will create more of it.

When you have hundreds if not thousands of Authors publishing content daily to be consumed by tens-of-thousands of players QA becomes a natural process of the playing community.

All The Best

Korah_Eaglecry

HeroOfNone wrote: »

Heishi wrote: »

I'd say no to player created content. For ever one diamond in the rough you find, there's bound to be 100 slopped out crap ones.

Then you get all the exploiting ones with insanely high respawn or large number of enemies for grinders.

The number of glitches and bugs would just be through the roof compared to the company controlled content which is already bad enough.

You'll get funny people that have phallic dungeons and what not.

Someone would have to moderate all of this taking away from budget that could be used towards something more useful.

Of course there's the lore breaking issue that's bound to occur

I could list reasons for days why this is a terrible idea, have you looked at the mods? There are some good ones out there for sure, but on the whole. Eh.

I'm having a bit of trouble seeing if you're disagreeing with the content review by peer review and ZOS staff in the post and replies, or if you simply skipped it over when you saw the title and are giving a stock answer. There was even review of ways to mitigate it by only giving quest rewards and keeping it on PTS till it was reviewed.

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Or maybe he doesnt think your 'peer review' would be good enough?

Im in the same boat as the guy you quoted. I think User Generated Content is not fit for this game because of its Lore issues and because of what Ive seen UGC used for in other games. Its bound to bring more problems then solutions. From exploitation to bugs to possibly inappropriate content and the fact someone will have to be pulled from other content to fix those issues. One more thing on their workload that is essentially unnecessary. To top it off the UGC Mechanic would have to be pulled down every time they do a major content update and then worked on to update it as to reduce issues. Again, pulling a Dev away from whatever is they would be doing normally to handle it.

If this game was set Post-Skyrim I wouldnt have as much of an issue with it since it wouldnt be set in a time period that was already established. But because this is set in the past before other established games. I cant help but think it would be intrusive to the Lore. And no amount of Peer Review Upvotes or Downvotes would change its Lore-Breaking story telling potential.

Volkodav

I can see players being able to create mods for armor,mounts,faces,hair,and weapons. However,there would be no way to create land,houses,etc.Imagine all the people who would have to wade through houses placed everywhere.If 50 people wanted to put their own house in the same place it wouldnt work. lol. Or if 50 people wanted to own the same house.The only way land,houses,etc would work would be if they were in pockets of other worlds.Like in Morrowind there is a mod that's a bottle home,with lotsa room inside it.You put it on the ground when you want in,and it holds all your needs within it.You can place armor,clothes,and tons of stuff in it.When you're not in it,you put it in your inventory,and reset it on the ground when you need it again.
These types of things players could create would be awesome!

Gidorick

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

When you have hundreds if not thousands of Authors publishing content daily to be consumed by tens-of-thousands of players QA becomes a natural process of the playing community.

I think this is, in conjunction with some ZOS direction and moderation, would give us some pretty amazing content @Gandrhulf_Harbard. I would also think a "quest-of-the week" kind of situation might be appropriate.

HeroOfNone

The ability to submit for crowns and possibly get a kick back of crowns if it's popular I think would be a great way to integrate it with today's B2P model.

Cously

There are amazing talents at Skyrim Nexus. Were ZOS able to implement a platform where modders could create content such as a new module (questing area) or some clothes, this game would be eternal. The power behind long term Elder Scrolls are modders.

Sunver

Gidorick wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

When you have hundreds if not thousands of Authors publishing content daily to be consumed by tens-of-thousands of players QA becomes a natural process of the playing community.

I think this is, in conjunction with some ZOS direction and moderation, would give us some pretty amazing content @Gandrhulf_Harbard. I would also think a "quest-of-the week" kind of situation might be appropriate.

King of Worms, is it you?

Gidorick

Cously wrote: »

There are amazing talents at Skyrim Nexus. Were ZOS able to implement a platform where modders could create content such as a new module (questing area) or some clothes, this game would be eternal. The power behind long term Elder Scrolls are modders.

EXACTLY @Cously. And I honestly don't think it would take anything away from what ZOS wants to release. Actually... the opposite. Each DLC could open up more zones in which to create content and add new content for creators to play with. Gah! WHY ZOS?!?! Why wont you do this!?!!

Gidorick

Sunver wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

When you have hundreds if not thousands of Authors publishing content daily to be consumed by tens-of-thousands of players QA becomes a natural process of the playing community.

I think this is, in conjunction with some ZOS direction and moderation, would give us some pretty amazing content @Gandrhulf_Harbard. I would also think a "quest-of-the week" kind of situation might be appropriate.

King of Worms, is it you?

hehe... Thread Necromancy is very very real.

Jar_Ek

Nice post, nice idea OP.
However as an author of a community quest or two in neverwinter before I moved on, I would have to agree about the potential for abuse and exploitation, I would also note that a rating system often ends up with great content being buried.

In NW there were lots of farm quests, and often in massively exploitable ways (ie you can hit them, but they cannot reach you), the time required to build and then maintain your quests through updates was huge - as updates and patches can break your quest. The ability to find good quests actually requires a lot of ratings for different things so you can find the quest type you want. And quests get voted up or down by guilds etc.

In order to make this work zos might have to do a huge amount of work and you are highly likely to end up in the same situation as NW... the authors spend a vast amount of time to make an adventure and the game limits the xp and rewards to ensure that it is not OP. Meaning that the rewards were poor for killing the powerfull Necromancer who had shed loads of adds in a great quest... in fact the same as the bad quest. It's a let down.

In essence it is very, very difficult to get right and to police. It may be possible to do so - potentially with an ambassador type program and the community certainly would provide content... but it would be a huge risk for zos. I can't seem them doing it tbh.

Corellon Thromorin

Do it like Dota 2.
Create, send, if it's approved then it appears in the game.

Sausage

4 DLC per year isnt enough content? Really? Im VERY satisfied if Zen keeps that pace up. Btw, what happens when 50 guys makes own zone and wants them to be released, or 1000 guys makes own dungeon. There isnt simply room for all those.

Player created content is more suitable for developers, who simply dont have the muscle to push out content fast enough, like Neverwinter.

Shunravi

Sausage wrote: »

4 DLC per year isnt enough content? Really? Im VERY satisfied if Zen keeps that pace up. Btw, what happens when 50 guys makes own zone and wants them to be released, or 1000 guys makes own dungeon. There isnt simply room for all those.

Why should a quarterly release be enough?

We would have 50 zones and 1000 dungeons to download and play at leisure. Dont see the problem really.

wookiefriseur

This is a thread that just HAD TO BE reresurrected.

Sausage

Shunravi wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

4 DLC per year isnt enough content? Really? Im VERY satisfied if Zen keeps that pace up. Btw, what happens when 50 guys makes own zone and wants them to be released, or 1000 guys makes own dungeon. There isnt simply room for all those.

Why should a quarterly release be enough?

We would have 50 zones and 1000 dungeons to download and play at leisure. Dont see the problem really.

For me 4 DLC per year is perfect, I can take holidays, play other games etc.