Shield Stacking needs to go away. Period.

Mojomonkeyman

I really love how another NB tries to mask his sorc whine as complain about mechanics.

Sorry, OP, but in my personal opinion you are a terrible player who will cry about the next best thing immediately as soon as you realize you will still die without your opponents harness stacking.

Please now nerf cloak, since shields are my only active defense as sorc, thank you! This game and NB playerbase in particular is the most pathetic bunch of whiny little girls I ever experienced.

How many sorc tear threads do you see where they whine about streak broken? Yeah, it bugs out all the time, draining magicka but no streak happens... If we would just have a few NBs roll sorc, I bet this forum would be clustered with cries and demands for fixes.

You make the game worse. Period.

MADshadowman

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

I really love how another NB tries to mask his sorc whine as complain about mechanics.

Sorry, OP, but in my personal opinion you are a terrible player who will cry about the next best thing immediately as soon as you realize you will still die without your opponents harness stacking.

Please now nerf cloak, since shields are my only active defense as sorc, thank you! This game and NB playerbase in particular is the most pathetic bunch of whiny little girls I ever experienced.

How many sorc tear threads do you see where they whine about streak broken? Yeah, it bugs out all the time, draining magicka but no streak happens... If we would just have a few NBs roll sorc, I bet this forum would be clustered with cries and demands for fixes.

You make the game worse. Period.

Amen, buddy!

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

What about replacing haste which they have admitted is basically useless with a pbae that cancels all enemy damage shields within 8 meters radius and have it cost the same mana as impulse?

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO

its kind of funny hearing night blades whine about cloak. They want the advantage 100% of the time. I hear 11 nightblade whine about Magelight breaking cloak.

I lol'd inside. Its like nightblades are dumb.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO wrote: »

I lol'd inside. Its like nightblades are dumb.

Or maybe its because the class defining defense skill doesn't work for NB while it does for the other classes.

Aoife32001

ana.radu85eb17_ESO wrote: »

You haven't read my last sentence...I want a shield too..stamina based ..i am not greedy to ask 3(one of which returns magika on every hit)....
for NON-NB stamina build

Does that mean the other 3 classes get invisibility spells??

Every class or build does not need to have everything. I'd love invisibility spells but I don't play a class with them, and I am fine with that, because I have other choices. Each class should have its strengths and weaknesses, and no one class should always be able to defeat every other class. It's like rock-paper-scissors. If you're playing the scissors, stop complaining that the rock is to hard to beat. That's what the paper is for.

MADshadowman

Aoife32001 wrote: »

ana.radu85eb17_ESO wrote: »

You haven't read my last sentence...I want a shield too..stamina based ..i am not greedy to ask 3(one of which returns magika on every hit)....
for NON-NB stamina build

Does that mean the other 3 classes get invisibility spells??

Every class or build does not need to have everything. I'd love invisibility spells but I don't play a class with them, and I am fine with that, because I have other choices. Each class should have its strengths and weaknesses, and no one class should always be able to defeat every other class. It's like rock-paper-scissors. If you're playing the scissors, stop complaining that the rock is to hard to beat. That's what the paper is for.

Exactly. And if you want to beat the rock with your scissors, you don't ask for the rock to get nerfed, you just work on getting better scissors. That is the road that leads to success.

Brasseurfb16_ESO

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

What about replacing haste which they have admitted is basically useless with a pbae that cancels all enemy damage shields within 8 meters radius and have it cost the same mana as impulse?

I've seen a post on Tamriel Foundry where Devs explained they were working on Haste to also reduce the global cooldown from skills, allowing you to spam your skills faster.

Saet

Well since everyone else can go invis with pots just make a new shielding pot that does not stack with the other shields. Say 800pts or so.

Origin

MADshadowman wrote: »

Another person that thinks shields make a player unkillable. You might wanna check out some good players and watch them kill shielded enemies.

The problem with guys like you is:

Everything YOU can do to be awesome is ok.
Everything OTHERS can do to be awesome is bad and needs to be nerfed.

Grow up buddy.

This.

ZoM_Head

Tankqull wrote: »

well sorcs without shields are absolutly AP fodder - they have even less heal than NB as critical surge is completly negated in pvp.

As they should be, ranged damge dealers. I do not understand, if you go all light and wish to charge in like a brute and expect to survive? in ESO this can be true, but common sense says no.

Besides, even less heal than night blades? seriously? restores your health and magicka from your stamina is probably the single most OP skill in the game. Sucking your stamina dry as a sorcerer who doe snot even need stamina is free health and magicka to you (basically).

Nightblades heals are HOT (Heal Over Time) and over 8+ seconds for the full effect, other classes have instant heals (or faster for dark exchange).

Mojomonkeyman

Elmojito1000eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

well sorcs without shields are absolutly AP fodder - they have even less heal than NB as critical surge is completly negated in pvp.

As they should be, ranged damge dealers. I do not understand, if you go all light and wish to charge in like a brute and expect to survive? in ESO this can be true, but common sense says no.

Besides, even less heal than night blades? seriously? restores your health and magicka from your stamina is probably the single most OP skill in the game. Sucking your stamina dry as a sorcerer who doe snot even need stamina is free health and magicka to you (basically).

Nightblades heals are HOT (Heal Over Time) and over 8+ seconds for the full effect, other classes have instant heals (or faster for dark exchange).

You guys are just clueless, sorry to say. The grp I run with is pretty much considered the best pvp grp on EU. We never run more than 8, most of the time 4-6. And you know what? We have more nightblades than DKs and Sorcs.

Nightblades are almost as tanky as DKs with crazy healing capabilities and damage output that puts every other class to shame. Nightblade is a crazy good class, amongst insiders considered topnotch with DK.

When the DK is the linebreaker, the NB is the nutcracker that just lets everything in range drop in seconds. The sorcs... well...they negate.

And you still have the balls to come here and "demand" for nerfs to other classes and buffs to your own. Even after being the best class for just stealth-sniping people with oneshots. You have an escape capability that can be spammed endlessly with the right setup. Dont bother with "uhm, it`s bugged", streak is as well. Sorcs have 2 skill lines which are almost entirely considered useless! How is this different to NBs?

I tell you what the difference is: Check "General discussion" - you will see 2 whine threads on the very first page whining and crying from NBs. Go check "Combat" forum - on the first two pages multiple crythreads from NBs.

It`s disgusting, your class is fine, your attitude is not.

Spangla

The above is bs best group ive seen is an AD group - they have no nb's just sorc's and dk's actually.

I found myself laughing when I read

Aoife32001 wrote: »

ana.radu85eb17_ESO wrote: »

You haven't read my last sentence...I want a shield too..stamina based ..i am not greedy to ask 3(one of which returns magika on every hit)....
for NON-NB stamina build

Does that mean the other 3 classes get invisibility spells??

Every class or build does not need to have everything. I'd love invisibility spells but I don't play a class with them, and I am fine with that, because I have other choices. Each class should have its strengths and weaknesses, and no one class should always be able to defeat every other class. It's like rock-paper-scissors. If you're playing the scissors, stop complaining that the rock is to hard to beat. That's what the paper is for.

Why would the other 3 classes want cloak?

1. It doesnt work
2. Even when it gives you the situational advantage many times it isnt good enough agaisnt a macro using shield stacker - who has 2 shields and immovable tied to an animation cancelling cast macro on a defence bar which makes him impossible to kill.
3. Trade BE for cloak? Nah BE is better
4. Trade Green dragon blood for cloak? Nah GDB is better
5. Blazing shield or Sun shield for cloak? Nah both better

Cool - carry on with your bs defence of your broken shield stack build. I remember this venomous denial that bash was OP. Any1 who said it was is a fool and needs to L2p and is just whining. HA yea ok imagine if you could have bashed and shield stacked? shame no1 figured it out then you would of had god mode

Mojomonkeyman

Spangla wrote: »

The above is bs best group ive seen is an AD group - they have no nb's just sorc's and dk's actually.

I found myself laughing when I read

Aoife32001 wrote: »

ana.radu85eb17_ESO wrote: »

You haven't read my last sentence...I want a shield too..stamina based ..i am not greedy to ask 3(one of which returns magika on every hit)....
for NON-NB stamina build

Does that mean the other 3 classes get invisibility spells??

Every class or build does not need to have everything. I'd love invisibility spells but I don't play a class with them, and I am fine with that, because I have other choices. Each class should have its strengths and weaknesses, and no one class should always be able to defeat every other class. It's like rock-paper-scissors. If you're playing the scissors, stop complaining that the rock is to hard to beat. That's what the paper is for.

Why would the other 3 classes want cloak?

1. It doesnt work
2. Even when it gives you the situational advantage many times it isnt good enough agaisnt a macro using shield stacker - who has 2 shields and immovable tied to an animation cancelling cast macro on a defence bar which makes him impossible to kill.
3. Trade BE for cloak? Nah BE is better
4. Trade Green dragon blood for cloak? Nah GDB is better
5. Blazing shield or Sun shield for cloak? Nah both better

Cool - carry on with your bs defence of your broken shield stack build. I remember this venomous denial that bash was OP. Any1 who said it was is a fool and needs to L2p and is just whining. HA yea ok imagine if you could have bashed and shield stacked? shame no1 figured it out then you would of had god mode

Lol, I am AD, scrub. And I am pretty certain, you are talking about my group... let me guess: black dresses & pink tabards?

Cody

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Elmojito1000eb17_ESO wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

well sorcs without shields are absolutly AP fodder - they have even less heal than NB as critical surge is completly negated in pvp.

As they should be, ranged damge dealers. I do not understand, if you go all light and wish to charge in like a brute and expect to survive? in ESO this can be true, but common sense says no.

Besides, even less heal than night blades? seriously? restores your health and magicka from your stamina is probably the single most OP skill in the game. Sucking your stamina dry as a sorcerer who doe snot even need stamina is free health and magicka to you (basically).

Nightblades heals are HOT (Heal Over Time) and over 8+ seconds for the full effect, other classes have instant heals (or faster for dark exchange).

You guys are just clueless, sorry to say. The grp I run with is pretty much considered the best pvp grp on EU. We never run more than 8, most of the time 4-6. And you know what? We have more nightblades than DKs and Sorcs.

Nightblades are almost as tanky as DKs with crazy healing capabilities and damage output that puts every other class to shame. Nightblade is a crazy good class, amongst insiders considered topnotch with DK.

When the DK is the linebreaker, the NB is the nutcracker that just lets everything in range drop in seconds. The sorcs... well...they negate.

And you still have the balls to come here and "demand" for nerfs to other classes and buffs to your own. Even after being the best class for just stealth-sniping people with oneshots. You have an escape capability that can be spammed endlessly with the right setup. Dont bother with "uhm, it`s bugged", streak is as well. Sorcs have 2 skill lines which are almost entirely considered useless! How is this different to NBs?

I tell you what the difference is: Check "General discussion" - you will see 2 whine threads on the very first page whining and crying from NBs. Go check "Combat" forum - on the first two pages multiple crythreads from NBs.

It`s disgusting, your class is fine, your attitude is not.

not all NBs run the typical LA staff build:/

Mojomonkeyman

But thats their choice, running an inferior build and then complaining about the other classes` abilities is just ... pathetic?

NBs are the only class that have additionally a very viable and commonly used stam spec (bow). You also have viable stam melee specs, at least not less viable then other classes`melee specs.

You can also be great healers. Plus, as explained above you are the crazyiest bombers around, almost as tanky as DKs with damage that trumps every other class.

What more do you want? All together in one build, combined with escape on demand and any weapon of choice? Do you even realize how crazy that sounds? You NBs just got so used to whining that you dont realize anymore how brutally strong your class is...

Varicite

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

But thats their choice, running an inferior build and then complaining about the other classes` abilities is just ... pathetic?

NBs are the only class that have additionally a very viable and commonly used stam spec (bow). You also have viable stam melee specs, at least not less viable then other classes`melee specs.

You can also be great healers. Plus, as explained above you are the crazyiest bombers around, almost as tanky as DKs with damage that trumps every other class.

What more do you want? All together in one build, combined with escape on demand and any weapon of choice? Do you even realize how crazy that sounds? You NBs just got so used to whining that you dont realize anymore how brutally strong your class is...

k.

Harness Magicka is still being changed next update.

/shrug

zbtiqua wrote: »

The harness magicka/shield stacking issue has already been fixed on the Development server, and should be pushed live in 1.5. No worries, you have been heard!

Source: Heard directly from Eric Wrogel (Skills/Itemization Dev) at guild summit

People should prolly stop ignoring this.

Brasseurfb16_ESO wrote: »

I've seen a post on Tamriel Foundry where Devs explained they were working on Haste to also reduce the global cooldown from skills, allowing you to spam your skills faster.

And just as an aside, this is already how haste works currently on live. : P

Blackthorn51

Well I guess it wasnt a L2P issue after all and clearly the complaints made about this method of play appear to have been valid. Congrats to the trolls who flamed my post for being nothing short of wrong.

Mojomonkeyman

Blackthorn51 wrote: »

Well I guess it wasnt a L2P issue after all and clearly the complaints made about this method of play appear to have been valid. Congrats to the trolls who flamed my post for being nothing short of wrong.

As if ZOS wouldn`t be known for kneejerk reactions in consequence to forum whine, you knew it, you abused it. And 9000000 other NBs jumped the bandwagon.

Blackthorn51

Are they prone to some kneejerk reactions? Sure. Is this one of 'em? Not so much. I've been reading up and down the forums and there are next to no threads about shield stacking. As to the other 9000000000000000 NBs who jumped on the bandwagon, honestly most of this thread is full of people flaming against my suggestion to remove them.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]

Sharee

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

What more do you want? All together in one build, combined with escape on demand and any weapon of choice? Do you even realize how crazy that sounds? You NBs just got so used to whining that you dont realize anymore how brutally strong your class is...

I have a vet14 NB. Also a vet5 sorc(in blue vet 1 gear). When playing my sorc, i am about three times as efficient both at killing enemy players and surviving than when playing the NB(who is my main, i have played him since release, and tried all possible builds, armors, weapons, you name it).

Reasons: sorc has an escape mechanism (BE) that does not fail 80% of the time like cloak does in melee range, he has shield he can spam to protect himself, and he has attacks that ignore enemy block(curse).

Spangla

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is a fact quit trying to smoke screen zenimax with your aggressive flaming of anyone who dares to question ridiculous op builds atm

Spangla

No monkeyman I wasnt talking about your group lol. Sorry er scrub

kewl

zbtiqua wrote: »

The harness magicka/shield stacking issue has already been fixed on the Development server, and should be pushed live in 1.5. No worries, you have been heard!

Source: Heard directly from Eric Wrogel (Skills/Itemization Dev) at guild summit

I fear the bugs this change will cause.

Nicko_Lps

Sorcs do well to stack shields otherwise they cant do nothing but what they do and its looking like an exploit is shields combined with magica harness, so what a pro said.. They sacrifise magica to use the shields is wrong because they get all their magica back while magica harness lasts. So they shield themselves and with the damage you do you give them magica. But if you go melee damage on them their noobrotation is a waste of magica indeed.

Magica harness is not supposed to be a 1,5 k damage shield this is exploiting, not using their damage shield and dont blame them that they have it... Blame zos.

And nightblades dont have a damage shield but they have dark cloack. My nb dont have any prob with sorcs stacking shields. My dk sometimes does,with a few sorcs that are indeed good players.

Asteria2

Sorry, but just to clarify, night blades and all classes really, have a pretty damn good dmg shield in healing ward. 300% dmg shield increase when low on health and harness mana underneath... not many people are going to burst it down. Both harness mana and healing ward are available to everyone so use it and stop complaining about shields.

Mojomonkeyman

katekatienancy wrote: »

Sorry, but just to clarify, night blades and all classes really, have a pretty damn good dmg shield in healing ward. 300% dmg shield increase when low on health and harness mana underneath... not many people are going to burst it down. Both harness mana and healing ward are available to everyone so use it and stop complaining about shields.

Don`t bother, the guys here will just ignore you and keep on whining that they cant oneshot everything everytime and escape after with minimal efforts. They will claim everything other classes have to be OP, all the stuff they have to be broken and anyone disagreeing and offering advice is just trying to defend his stuff...

In the meanwhile good NBs rock the house in Cyro. The bads are here complaining, totally resistant to any advice to just learn to get better/use the right setup.

eventide03b14a_ESO

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Macoda wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

1. Night blades need to quit their constant whining, I have one and they are incredibly good at both pvp and pve. Also everytime one of you whines and says "I said night blade not night staff" you make yourself look like an idiot. Don't pretend you weren't going to post that silly comment after reading the first sentence either.
2. It's not shields that are the problem, it's harness magicka being broken right now. Fix that and you will fix the problem

I think there are certain gear/build setups for Nightblades which are more competitive than other Nightblade gear/build setups. However, I wouldn't be saying they are "incredibly good at pvp." It is the least effective class out of the four due to how disjointed skill and passive synergies are (the Dragon Knight being the polar opposite with excellent skill and passive synergies).

Again, the problem with PvP in ESO is that there is no appreciable offset for using survivability enhancing skills. They are usable interchangeably with offensive skills without penalty...which is the root of the problem (i.e., having a damage shield or using the block mechanic while having no offset to offensive capability). You should have to make a choice that has a cost.

As someone with both, I'll flat out tell ya nightblades have incredible actives and passives for pvp..Hell Mass Hysteria alone makes you one of the best Group PvP characters in the game, if not the best.

Mass Hysteria isn't that great. It only works on two targets at a time and it's not cheap to keep recasting. Compare that to the DK AoE CC Talons or the various sorcerer AoE CCs like Daedric Mines or Encase.

Mojomonkeyman

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Macoda wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

1. Night blades need to quit their constant whining, I have one and they are incredibly good at both pvp and pve. Also everytime one of you whines and says "I said night blade not night staff" you make yourself look like an idiot. Don't pretend you weren't going to post that silly comment after reading the first sentence either.
2. It's not shields that are the problem, it's harness magicka being broken right now. Fix that and you will fix the problem

I think there are certain gear/build setups for Nightblades which are more competitive than other Nightblade gear/build setups. However, I wouldn't be saying they are "incredibly good at pvp." It is the least effective class out of the four due to how disjointed skill and passive synergies are (the Dragon Knight being the polar opposite with excellent skill and passive synergies).

Again, the problem with PvP in ESO is that there is no appreciable offset for using survivability enhancing skills. They are usable interchangeably with offensive skills without penalty...which is the root of the problem (i.e., having a damage shield or using the block mechanic while having no offset to offensive capability). You should have to make a choice that has a cost.

As someone with both, I'll flat out tell ya nightblades have incredible actives and passives for pvp..Hell Mass Hysteria alone makes you one of the best Group PvP characters in the game, if not the best.

Mass Hysteria isn't that great. It only works on two targets at a time and it's not cheap to keep recasting. Compare that to the DK AoE CC Talons or the various sorcerer AoE CCs like Daedric Mines or Encase.

You guys... mass hysteria is the single best cc in the game. It works through block and has to be broken free with lots of stamina to be able to do anything again, not just immobilize like talons or encase!

eventide03b14a_ESO

Sharee wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

Well, as i pointed out many times, i see nightblades everyday that can instantly disappear every couple of seconds. that does not work with sneaking when you're in combat and that does not work with potions because of the cooldown of 30 seconds. That only works with the cloak. Obviously the skill doesn't break for them.

I don't know what's wrong with your NB's, but this "the skill breaks constantly" thing seems a little off here.

"can disappear" and "breaks" are two different things.

Of course a NB can always disappear(for a huge magicka cost). The issue is that after disappearing, he is supposed to be invisible for 2.5(or 2.9 with passive) seconds - and that just does not happen. More often than not, the cloak only works for a fraction of a second and the NB reappears almost instantly(the cloak breaks, or ends too early).

This would be on par with a Dragon knight's green dragon blood being always usable, but more often than not taking the full magicka cost but only healing the DK for a fraction of the amount it is supposed to. Or a sorcerer's bolt that more often than not teleports the sorcerer forward, but only 1m distance.

I have said this many times before that the cloak should be unbreakable even if you take damage. You should remain hidden for duration regardless of damage taken or potions or even Magelight. Why are the devs so afraid to just give this to nightblades?