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bats swarm...
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Shagreth✭✭✭✭✭
✭There is nothing wrong with the ultimate and it's morphs nowadays, almost every other ultimate for any class is the better option than these two. If you are having issues with players using it, well, I hate to say it -- but you need to learn to play and respond better.0 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Vampire/WW skills will always be strong , because they come with a set of problems also , something the others dont.
50% fire weakness is huge doesnt matter how much people try to say it is not , the simple reality is that the amount of effort it takes a player to overcome it could be spent on other buffs to make your char just as strong.
Problem is , players dont want to change their builds to exploit the vamps/WW weak spots and if you dont do that they are indeed much stronger than an a normal player.
If you are not willing to change your build to counter the opponents , then that is on you , not on the game.
Wat are you talking about? WW is the one thing in this game that is not strong at anything at all in the game. It sucks in PVE. It sucks soloing. It sucks in small group PVP. It sucks in Solo PVP. It sucks in zerg pvp. It sucks at ganking. It sucks at questing.
Calling WW skills strong basically just causes you to lose all credibility.Edited by timidobserver on 19 August 2014 04:29V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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I dont know what all the fuss is. I see a vamp pop bat swarm and i use negate then move in for the kill. I have saved full raid groups from death by doing this. Nice ulti vamps *cast negate* yup....you are done for *shield charges in then pummels them to death* i see lots of talk about fighters guild. If you are a sorc negate does wonders against them. No heals, no skills, no ulti (after they cast it since negate literally stops it right away)
shhh dont tell the noobs how good negate is, dont need a nerf thread on that too.0 -
Kypho✭✭✭✭jelliedsoup wrote: »poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »They did nerf it, about 20% would be my guess.
Damn, all I see in PvP is swarms of bats and sorcs bolting everywhere.
Unless I dodge roll as soon as I see them I'm dead, with my lag it's 50-50 if I make it after dodging.
The whole problem is Vampirism together in PvP. PVE who cares...0 -
CapuchinSeven✭✭✭✭✭
✭MADshadowman wrote: »when ZOS broke the silver bolt skills and they hit vamps and ww for ridiculous amounts of damage 100% of the time and one-shotted them, YOU ALL were exploiting this BUG.
er, no I wasn't.Edited by CapuchinSeven on 21 August 2014 09:000 -
Pmarsico9✭✭✭✭
LOL. You nerfed Nova? lolZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »To verify what has already been mentioned earlier in this thread, we pushed a hotfix last week that affected Bat Swarm and its morphs. More details are available in this post.
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Vizier✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Vampire/WW skills will always be strong , because they come with a set of problems also , something the others dont.
50% fire weakness is huge doesnt matter how much people try to say it is not , the simple reality is that the amount of effort it takes a player to overcome it could be spent on other buffs to make your char just as strong.
Problem is , players dont want to change their builds to exploit the vamps/WW weak spots and if you dont do that they are indeed much stronger than an a normal player.
If you are not willing to change your build to counter the opponents , then that is on you , not on the game.
So, take the prime real estate in your action bars to counter a specific class? I see the logic of your statement and it seems reasonable but... quick question...Do your vampire skills only work against non vampires or do they work on everyone? ... right.
So your suggested counter then reduces effectiveness of said player against EVERYTHING else? Because you want to keep that OP crap.
Glad ZOS nerfed it and that they seem to be paying attention to it And if it still needs it I hope they do it again.
You have access to two weapon bars... You're telling me that you have a use for all 10 skills that you're running right now and can't drop one for silver bolts or something that kills vampires? Give me a break already. The only bars I don't run any fighters guild abilities is my staff bar and that's because ele ring does enough.
So once again your solution for Bat Swarm is to use a creature specific skill so you can do what to it? Your solution is to kill the Vampire? That's your suggested counter for Bat Swarm? Because there is this skill called Silver Bolts Bat Swarm is OK? LOL
The patient said to the Doctor "Doc it hurts when I do this and bend my finger."
The Doctor replies "Don't do that and you'll be ok."
Roll out of it?
First off, most people don't even know they are being Bat Swarmed because they don't see a player nor do they see the bats. There's a couple of slicing sounds and that's about it. There is no time to react to what you don't see and are dead for no apparent reason until the kill sheet comes up. "Oh Bat Swarm 1600 damage, Bat Swarm 1300 damage. What a surprise."
Have I rolled out of Bat Swarm before. Yes. A hand full of times, by some stroke of luck I saw something flash across my screen. That said the circumstance is very rare, unlike what happens with EVERY OTHER ultimate ability that causes damage, which is the conjuration of a big red or otherwise colored circle that screams "don't stand there bro, that's bad."
And don't think that because it's been cast you won't see it for awhile because it builds ultimate like nobody's business. (Another prob with Bat Swarm that needs "tweaking.)
The skill is OP bro. It's gonna get nerfed. I have no doubt of that.
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Azraeel✭✭✭Apparently, for many people, a good skill is a useless broken one...
For once, I'd like to see PvPers stop complaining over silly stuff, and nerd raging every time someone beats their ass.0 -
TheBull✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's ticking too fast atm. 4 ticks under 3 seconds.
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TheBull✭✭✭✭✭
✭timidobserver wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Vampire/WW skills will always be strong , because they come with a set of problems also , something the others dont.
50% fire weakness is huge doesnt matter how much people try to say it is not , the simple reality is that the amount of effort it takes a player to overcome it could be spent on other buffs to make your char just as strong.
Problem is , players dont want to change their builds to exploit the vamps/WW weak spots and if you dont do that they are indeed much stronger than an a normal player.
If you are not willing to change your build to counter the opponents , then that is on you , not on the game.
Wat are you talking about? WW is the one thing in this game that is not strong at anything at all in the game. It sucks in PVE. It sucks soloing. It sucks in small group PVP. It sucks in Solo PVP. It sucks in zerg pvp. It sucks at ganking. It sucks at questing.
Calling WW skills strong basically just causes you to lose all credibility.
That's where it shines
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apostate9✭✭✭✭✭jelliedsoup wrote: »SirenofEntropy wrote: »
This^ so much.
People are going to complain about every ability that kills them in PvP. If Zenimax listens every time, soon enough every skill will be weak and underpowered and then suddenly everything in PvE becomes 100x more difficult.
If they nerf Bats into the ground, people will just find another OP skill combo. It happens in every MMO. They cannot account for every little thing that people will do/exploit.
The only time it's a major problem is when people are using UNINTENDED exploits/skill combos (like the vampire Emperor thing) to smash everyone in PvP. Beyond that, people just need to find ways to counter the current meta. If everyone just starts using Fighters Guild abilities and roflstomping vampires every which way. eventually people will get tired of playing a vampire in PvP and they'll slowly start to decrease in number.
If I complained each time I died, this forum would be a solid wall of my posts.
When you see someone fighting over 4 or 5 people and winning the skill is OP.
Was Talons and Standard, is now Bolt and Bats.
Maybe those 4 or 5 people really suck at PVP? Do you suppose for a moment there is the slightest possibility that might be the case...maybe sometimes?
Do I see batswarm spam in PVP? Constantly. Do I die from it anymore? Almost never. Learn. Adapt. Dodge-roll, roflpwn vampire scrubs. Profit.0 -
TheBull✭✭✭✭✭
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lmao like they stand still when you dodge roll, and it's two dodge rolls to get out the way IF they just stood still because it's so damn big. *** broken atm everyone including ZOS knows it.jelliedsoup wrote: »SirenofEntropy wrote: »
This^ so much.
People are going to complain about every ability that kills them in PvP. If Zenimax listens every time, soon enough every skill will be weak and underpowered and then suddenly everything in PvE becomes 100x more difficult.
If they nerf Bats into the ground, people will just find another OP skill combo. It happens in every MMO. They cannot account for every little thing that people will do/exploit.
The only time it's a major problem is when people are using UNINTENDED exploits/skill combos (like the vampire Emperor thing) to smash everyone in PvP. Beyond that, people just need to find ways to counter the current meta. If everyone just starts using Fighters Guild abilities and roflstomping vampires every which way. eventually people will get tired of playing a vampire in PvP and they'll slowly start to decrease in number.
If I complained each time I died, this forum would be a solid wall of my posts.
When you see someone fighting over 4 or 5 people and winning the skill is OP.
Was Talons and Standard, is now Bolt and Bats.
Maybe those 4 or 5 people really suck at PVP? Do you suppose for a moment there is the slightest possibility that might be the case...maybe sometimes?
Do I see batswarm spam in PVP? Constantly. Do I die from it anymore? Almost never. Learn. Adapt. Dodge-roll, roflpwn vampire scrubs. Profit.
Move off the flag? Move off the stairs? Move off the wall? Gotcha lol streak streak streak BS some more.Edited by TheBull on 25 August 2014 21:30Killed by Sunshine 1vX How I see it.
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wllstrt75b14_ESO✭✭✭I can not believe people are crying about bat swarm..the skill when used solo is alright and maybe a tad better then the DK standard skill. The big difference is when people realized that grouping this skill together was an awesome way to just tear folks up, and if you stand in the midst of a bat swarm group that's organized then you die, but an organized group not using bat swarm would steam roll your unorganized group anyways.
Quit crying for people deciding to maximize the skills use and mobility by being organized. There are ways to prevent these deaths.0 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭As a Templar, if you took all three of my class ultimates and combined them into one ability, I would still take Bat Swarm over it. That is how much better Bat Swarm is than any ultimate I have access to as a Templar.
It is worth noting that in terms of self heals and aoe damage, batswarm is just about as good as casting nova and rite's of passage at the same time at only a fraction of the cost.
All of that said, I don't have an issue with bat swarm because I know how to deal with it. I don't die to a batswarm unless I find myself out of stamina with my tripot down.Edited by timidobserver on 26 August 2014 05:12V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Azraeel✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »As a Templar, if you took all three of my class ultimates and combined them into one ability, I would still take Bat Swarm over it. That is how much better Bat Swarm is than any ultimate I have access to as a Templar.
It is worth noting that in terms of self heals and aoe damage, batswarm is just about as good as casting nova and rite's of passage at the same time at only a fraction of the cost.
All of that said, I don't have an issue with bat swarm because I know how to deal with it. I don't die to a batswarm unless I find myself out of stamina with my tripot down.
So Vampirism Ultimate must suck for people to see it as "normal"? I don't understand this logic... People are nagging that they cant see the player using clouding swarm, yet this ability doesn't regenerate any health, and I don't see any invulnerability to damage, so AOE attacks should still get the player. As for devouring swarm, they recover health yet they are right in front of you, you can avoid them or keep on attacking...
This is totally disregarding the fact that these abilities been there forever, and only last 5 seconds...0