PTS Patch Notes v1.3.1

Maverick827

Aenthel wrote: »

I can understand the deal with the Willow's Path... to a degree... but man, Twilight was a TANK set... hence the increased healing received... with all the Health bonus it had... and now it is a complete steaming pile of manure and a joke for any Tank build because we get spell crit and magicka... on a tank set... seriously, wth? It is not just more added bonus for casters... and yet again screwing any Tank that is not in a dress.

It had spell crit before as the "final" bonus. It wasn't a tanking set.

Brandoid

They should not have undone the change to Willow's and Twilight's.

Everyone who bitched because they would have to use new gear, thinking that those sets had become useless simply did not want to adopt a new style of play or work for new, better, sets. It's understandable to some degree that they would be frustrated, but the changes made sense, added to the game, and the people who were just using it for a measly 10% or less crit would not have noticed a drop is dps. If anything they would have higher because higher soft cap AND have respectable regens for added sustain.

Just because you said that you would have made those three pieces from each set yellow for the traits that were not the focus of the sets doesn't make it the reason anybody used those sets. I am very disappointed ZOS caved to people would would rather have some convenience over something better for the game. You people make me sick.

Edit: By "you people" I mean people that cried and posted non stop about how they way they play was in jeopardy, when it really wasn't .

The butthurt about 'changing' the sets non-unique bonuses is like whining over losing +max magicka 3piece bonus when the set gives some other unique 5piece bonus.
The sets were changed to compliment their 5piece bonues as they should have from the beginning and now they hardly make sense and people won't bother going for the bonus that was their focus.

Maverick827 wrote: »

Aenthel wrote: »

I can understand the deal with the Willow's Path... to a degree... but man, Twilight was a TANK set... hence the increased healing received... with all the Health bonus it had... and now it is a complete steaming pile of manure and a joke for any Tank build because we get spell crit and magicka... on a tank set... seriously, wth? It is not just more added bonus for casters... and yet again screwing any Tank that is not in a dress.

It had spell crit before as the "final" bonus. It wasn't a tanking set.

Willow's had resource regeneration for it's "final bonus". It wasn't a dps set.

Brandoid

double post

Kego

Does that changes of Willow and Twilight, means as well that Stamina and Magicka Builds will never be adressed and fixed that both are equal?

I mean, think about it. If Stamina Builds would be competitive to Magicka or maybe even a little stronger, everyone would have to make new Sets. FFS they would cry for getting there Crafting Mats back, now that they know, that ZOS do everything that the loud croud wants.

Erock25

dtere1_ESO wrote: »

Really disappointed with these set changes. Where are all the sets that give +Stamina, +Stamina Regen, and -Stamina Cost?

The only choices stamina players have is +Weapon Crit and +Weapon Damage it seems.

These sets that were released definitely gave more options to magicka users. But to stamina users... uhm no. I was building a stamina character for using the Willows Path 5pc because of the good stamina regen associated with it... and since i am not a NB, it would be really important for me to have it. So much for that idea. Alternatives?... yah don't see any.

And the only thing you are now missing out on for a stamina user is 11.5 stam regen.

Selodaoc

Kego wrote: »

Does that changes of Willow and Twilight, means as well that Stamina and Magicka Builds will never be adressed and fixed that both are equal?

I mean, think about it. If Stamina Builds would be competitive to Magicka or maybe even a little stronger, everyone would have to make new Sets. FFS they would cry for getting there Crafting Mats back, now that they know, that ZOS do everything that the loud croud wants.

Nop, you and Brandoid are missing the point.
Everyone wants there to be new sets.
You can get more crits from other sets. What people complained about was that you had to craft completly new sets with the same stats after spending all your resources.
Not everyone enjoys farming and made their sets to then be done with that part and enjoy doing Trials or PvP.
I would be completly happy crafting other sets, if i got my mats back.

tino.antoninieb17_ESO

I think that ZOS by reverting Willow and Twilight is showing that they dont have balls for making this work. Zos caved again because lot of magic people showed concern for their quality of life while ZOS is neglecting stamina builds from start and dont care about our comfort and efficiency. Plain and simple - dont guys even try to explain your behaviour providing semi-logical explanation coz u simply cant be successful at it - this is just about balls.
ZOS just look at your tournament during Quakecon. Do u see ? Are u happy with fact that all competitors are wearing robes and using sticks ? Is that it ? All in all - way u handle stamina/magic balance is JOKE. Your way of handling things is purely discriminatory and if this project of yours is not meeting your expectations - u dont need to be creative to find who is to blame. U dropped the ball once again.

Selodaoc

How does changing a set that isnt even the best set after patch, into a tank set, make stamina builds better?
There are shitloads of stamina sets beeing added, which ill use for my stamina builds.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Maverick827 wrote: »

Aenthel wrote: »

I can understand the deal with the Willow's Path... to a degree... but man, Twilight was a TANK set... hence the increased healing received... with all the Health bonus it had... and now it is a complete steaming pile of manure and a joke for any Tank build because we get spell crit and magicka... on a tank set... seriously, wth? It is not just more added bonus for casters... and yet again screwing any Tank that is not in a dress.

It had spell crit before as the "final" bonus. It wasn't a tanking set.

Twilights embraces 5% spell crit 5-set bonus was one of the many 5-set bonuses just thrown in there. It does not make the set what it is. The set use to only have a 3-set before they started showing crafted sets a little more love. When it was a 3-set only, it was definitely a tanking set, because tanks are the ones needing more healing recieved. I started out with this when I was a lower level. 1.3.0's change to twilights embrace was a good change, because it kept a tanking set a tanking set. Now its a strange caster heal yourself more set that makes no sense. It was better with the increased health.

They need to undo-the 1.3.1 changes made to willows path and twilights embrace.

Kego wrote: »

Does that changes of Willow and Twilight, means as well that Stamina and Magicka Builds will never be adressed and fixed that both are equal?

I mean, think about it. If Stamina Builds would be competitive to Magicka or maybe even a little stronger, everyone would have to make new Sets. FFS they would cry for getting there Crafting Mats back, now that they know, that ZOS do everything that the loud croud wants.

ZoS seems to still have that wizard lover behind the changes. In the end they always make magicka builds better, and are moving nowhere with improving stamina builds. They didn't even think to start on a system to create new stamina based weapon abilities along with the upcoming spellcrafting system. The guy is clearly obsessed with magic and it gives him tunnel vision.

And.. no one even mention the magicka->stamina spell because that too helps magicka builds just as much if not more than stamina builds.

PBpsy

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Aenthel wrote: »

I can understand the deal with the Willow's Path... to a degree... but man, Twilight was a TANK set... hence the increased healing received... with all the Health bonus it had... and now it is a complete steaming pile of manure and a joke for any Tank build because we get spell crit and magicka... on a tank set... seriously, wth? It is not just more added bonus for casters... and yet again screwing any Tank that is not in a dress.

It had spell crit before as the "final" bonus. It wasn't a tanking set.

Twilights embraces 5% spell crit 5-set bonus was one of the many 5-set bonuses just thrown in there. It does not make the set what it is. The set use to only have a 3-set before they started showing crafted sets a little more love. When it was a 3-set only, it was definitely a tanking set, because tanks are the ones needing more healing recieved. I started out with this when I was a lower level. 1.3.0's change to twilights embrace was a good change, because it kept a tanking set a tanking set. Now its a strange caster heal yourself more set that makes no sense. It was better with the increased health.

They need to undo-the 1.3.1 changes made to willows path and twilights embrace.

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Twilight embrace as it is now on the live server makes it a very logical tanking set for either a NB tank or a Templar tank. On my NB spell crit is the most essential thing for me when I tank.My survivability is given by the amount of self heals I do from funnel health and sap essence , spell crit determines my HPS and the higher the better. The spell crit also allows me to cast my ultimates faster (Veil of blades) which gives me great mitigation.No amount of health regen they would have put on that set would give me that especially since I have siphoning attacks that makes anything except magicka regen not very essential. For the templar tanks the need for spell crit is given by similar reasons.

I love the 1.3.1. Twillight's and Willows especially for how they improve my tanking build.

Braddass

PBpsy wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Aenthel wrote: »

I can understand the deal with the Willow's Path... to a degree... but man, Twilight was a TANK set... hence the increased healing received... with all the Health bonus it had... and now it is a complete steaming pile of manure and a joke for any Tank build because we get spell crit and magicka... on a tank set... seriously, wth? It is not just more added bonus for casters... and yet again screwing any Tank that is not in a dress.

It had spell crit before as the "final" bonus. It wasn't a tanking set.

Twilights embraces 5% spell crit 5-set bonus was one of the many 5-set bonuses just thrown in there. It does not make the set what it is. The set use to only have a 3-set before they started showing crafted sets a little more love. When it was a 3-set only, it was definitely a tanking set, because tanks are the ones needing more healing recieved. I started out with this when I was a lower level. 1.3.0's change to twilights embrace was a good change, because it kept a tanking set a tanking set. Now its a strange caster heal yourself more set that makes no sense. It was better with the increased health.

They need to undo-the 1.3.1 changes made to willows path and twilights embrace.

.

Twilight embrace as it is now on the live server makes it a very logical tanking set for either a NB tank or a Templar tank. On my NB spell crit is the most essential thing for me when I tank.My survivability is given by the amount of self heals I do from funnel health and sap essence , spell crit determines my HPS and the higher the better. The spell crit also allows me to cast my ultimates faster (Veil of blades) which gives me great mitigation.No amount of health regen they would have put on that set would give me that especially since I have siphoning attacks that makes anything except magicka regen not very essential. For the templar tanks the need for spell crit is given by similar reasons.

I love the 1.3.1. Twillight's and Willows especially for how they improve my tanking build.

Exactly. I play a NB healer or dps/off-healer and agree that the change back to spell crit was needed. There may be a need for a stamina based tanking set as well, but it should be in addition to the spell crit sets, not as a replacement for them.

Maverick827

Apparently, when you disagree with the 1.2 to 1.3.0 change and post about it, you're a "butthurt whiner." Disagreeing with the 1.3.0 to 1.3.1 change is totally cool, though.

Bouvin

Whatever happened to the Nightblade fixes promised in 1.2.x??? Did NBs get forgotten?

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Braddass wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Aenthel wrote: »

I can understand the deal with the Willow's Path... to a degree... but man, Twilight was a TANK set... hence the increased healing received... with all the Health bonus it had... and now it is a complete steaming pile of manure and a joke for any Tank build because we get spell crit and magicka... on a tank set... seriously, wth? It is not just more added bonus for casters... and yet again screwing any Tank that is not in a dress.

It had spell crit before as the "final" bonus. It wasn't a tanking set.

Twilights embraces 5% spell crit 5-set bonus was one of the many 5-set bonuses just thrown in there. It does not make the set what it is. The set use to only have a 3-set before they started showing crafted sets a little more love. When it was a 3-set only, it was definitely a tanking set, because tanks are the ones needing more healing recieved. I started out with this when I was a lower level. 1.3.0's change to twilights embrace was a good change, because it kept a tanking set a tanking set. Now its a strange caster heal yourself more set that makes no sense. It was better with the increased health.

They need to undo-the 1.3.1 changes made to willows path and twilights embrace.

.

Twilight embrace as it is now on the live server makes it a very logical tanking set for either a NB tank or a Templar tank. On my NB spell crit is the most essential thing for me when I tank.My survivability is given by the amount of self heals I do from funnel health and sap essence , spell crit determines my HPS and the higher the better. The spell crit also allows me to cast my ultimates faster (Veil of blades) which gives me great mitigation.No amount of health regen they would have put on that set would give me that especially since I have siphoning attacks that makes anything except magicka regen not very essential. For the templar tanks the need for spell crit is given by similar reasons.

I love the 1.3.1. Twillight's and Willows especially for how they improve my tanking build.

Exactly. I play a NB healer or dps/off-healer and agree that the change back to spell crit was needed. There may be a need for a stamina based tanking set as well, but it should be in addition to the spell crit sets, not as a replacement for them.

PBpsy wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Aenthel wrote: »

I can understand the deal with the Willow's Path... to a degree... but man, Twilight was a TANK set... hence the increased healing received... with all the Health bonus it had... and now it is a complete steaming pile of manure and a joke for any Tank build because we get spell crit and magicka... on a tank set... seriously, wth? It is not just more added bonus for casters... and yet again screwing any Tank that is not in a dress.

It had spell crit before as the "final" bonus. It wasn't a tanking set.

Twilights embraces 5% spell crit 5-set bonus was one of the many 5-set bonuses just thrown in there. It does not make the set what it is. The set use to only have a 3-set before they started showing crafted sets a little more love. When it was a 3-set only, it was definitely a tanking set, because tanks are the ones needing more healing recieved. I started out with this when I was a lower level. 1.3.0's change to twilights embrace was a good change, because it kept a tanking set a tanking set. Now its a strange caster heal yourself more set that makes no sense. It was better with the increased health.

They need to undo-the 1.3.1 changes made to willows path and twilights embrace.

.

Twilight embrace as it is now on the live server makes it a very logical tanking set for either a NB tank or a Templar tank. On my NB spell crit is the most essential thing for me when I tank.My survivability is given by the amount of self heals I do from funnel health and sap essence , spell crit determines my HPS and the higher the better. The spell crit also allows me to cast my ultimates faster (Veil of blades) which gives me great mitigation.No amount of health regen they would have put on that set would give me that especially since I have siphoning attacks that makes anything except magicka regen not very essential. For the templar tanks the need for spell crit is given by similar reasons.

I love the 1.3.1. Twillight's and Willows especially for how they improve my tanking build.

Says the cookie cut dress wearing tank mages ZoS strives to create more of. Im sure you guys are more happy you wont have to use more crafting materials, unlike me and others who are going to have to change their sets anyways. There are other crit sets.

If hey want willows and twilights embrace to stay this way, their 5-set bonuses need to change. Willows cant have the all-regen bonus anymore, and twilights should be a % healing done to others increase of less than 10%.

Saavuj

What they should have done with Willow's Path & Twilight's Embrace: Discontinued the sets as they are pre 1.3 -- make them no longer craftable. Change the name of the set/crafting table and do the 1.3.0 proposed changes. This way existing users could've kept their equipment and there'd also be a nice tanking & regen set too.

Less whining & more fun changes. Ah well.

TheBull

4 months in and still Dark Clock is STILL breaking from my DoTs and breaking if I get near someone.

Too long ZOS wtf..

Navuri

They're not going to fix the bug with the Eidetic Memory in this new patch or am I missing something?

SluggoV2

Thought Update 3 was going live today on the main servers? No...?

Kego

Do we have August?

Jaxom

SluggoV2 wrote: »

Thought Update 3 was going live today on the main servers? No...?

Pretty sure it was early August, though the fact that there is no maintenance today makes me wonder. Whenever we have missed the Monday maintenance, there was usually a big patch come Thursday or Friday.

PBpsy

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Braddass wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Aenthel wrote: »

I can understand the deal with the Willow's Path... to a degree... but man, Twilight was a TANK set... hence the increased healing received... with all the Health bonus it had... and now it is a complete steaming pile of manure and a joke for any Tank build because we get spell crit and magicka... on a tank set... seriously, wth? It is not just more added bonus for casters... and yet again screwing any Tank that is not in a dress.

It had spell crit before as the "final" bonus. It wasn't a tanking set.

Twilights embraces 5% spell crit 5-set bonus was one of the many 5-set bonuses just thrown in there. It does not make the set what it is. The set use to only have a 3-set before they started showing crafted sets a little more love. When it was a 3-set only, it was definitely a tanking set, because tanks are the ones needing more healing recieved. I started out with this when I was a lower level. 1.3.0's change to twilights embrace was a good change, because it kept a tanking set a tanking set. Now its a strange caster heal yourself more set that makes no sense. It was better with the increased health.

They need to undo-the 1.3.1 changes made to willows path and twilights embrace.

.

Twilight embrace as it is now on the live server makes it a very logical tanking set for either a NB tank or a Templar tank. On my NB spell crit is the most essential thing for me when I tank.My survivability is given by the amount of self heals I do from funnel health and sap essence , spell crit determines my HPS and the higher the better. The spell crit also allows me to cast my ultimates faster (Veil of blades) which gives me great mitigation.No amount of health regen they would have put on that set would give me that especially since I have siphoning attacks that makes anything except magicka regen not very essential. For the templar tanks the need for spell crit is given by similar reasons.

I love the 1.3.1. Twillight's and Willows especially for how they improve my tanking build.

Exactly. I play a NB healer or dps/off-healer and agree that the change back to spell crit was needed. There may be a need for a stamina based tanking set as well, but it should be in addition to the spell crit sets, not as a replacement for them.

PBpsy wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Aenthel wrote: »

I can understand the deal with the Willow's Path... to a degree... but man, Twilight was a TANK set... hence the increased healing received... with all the Health bonus it had... and now it is a complete steaming pile of manure and a joke for any Tank build because we get spell crit and magicka... on a tank set... seriously, wth? It is not just more added bonus for casters... and yet again screwing any Tank that is not in a dress.

It had spell crit before as the "final" bonus. It wasn't a tanking set.

Twilights embraces 5% spell crit 5-set bonus was one of the many 5-set bonuses just thrown in there. It does not make the set what it is. The set use to only have a 3-set before they started showing crafted sets a little more love. When it was a 3-set only, it was definitely a tanking set, because tanks are the ones needing more healing recieved. I started out with this when I was a lower level. 1.3.0's change to twilights embrace was a good change, because it kept a tanking set a tanking set. Now its a strange caster heal yourself more set that makes no sense. It was better with the increased health.

They need to undo-the 1.3.1 changes made to willows path and twilights embrace.

.

Twilight embrace as it is now on the live server makes it a very logical tanking set for either a NB tank or a Templar tank. On my NB spell crit is the most essential thing for me when I tank.My survivability is given by the amount of self heals I do from funnel health and sap essence , spell crit determines my HPS and the higher the better. The spell crit also allows me to cast my ultimates faster (Veil of blades) which gives me great mitigation.No amount of health regen they would have put on that set would give me that especially since I have siphoning attacks that makes anything except magicka regen not very essential. For the templar tanks the need for spell crit is given by similar reasons.

I love the 1.3.1. Twillight's and Willows especially for how they improve my tanking build.

Says the cookie cut dress wearing tank mages ZoS strives to create more of. Im sure you guys are more happy you wont have to use more crafting materials, unlike me and others who are going to have to change their sets anyways. There are other crit sets.

If hey want willows and twilights embrace to stay this way, their 5-set bonuses need to change. Willows cant have the all-regen bonus anymore, and twilights should be a % healing done to others increase of less than 10%.

Says the Oh so original stamina based tank DKs or DW&Bow NBs that prefer to cry for nerfs instead of buffing the 4 or 5 actual stamina tanking sets that are now in the game.

Kego

Whenever we have missed the Monday maintenance, there was usually a big patch come Thursday or Friday.

Maybe preperation for EU Server movement to Germany. Was on their shedule for End July / early August, as well.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

I really hope there will be a 1.3.2 before this goes live. We'll see if they are listening to feedback or biased whines from what they put in it.

Jaxom

Kego wrote: »

Whenever we have missed the Monday maintenance, there was usually a big patch come Thursday or Friday.

Maybe preperation for EU Server movement to Germany. Was on there shedule for End July / early August, as well.

Good call. That could be it as well.

dtere1_ESO

Erock25 wrote: »

And the only thing you are now missing out on for a stamina user is 11.5 stam regen.

The 5pc gave +15% regen on top of the static regen. 15% of total stamina is not always 11.5 stam regen. It depends how much regen you had in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, i would like to see spell crit on a set piece. But i would have liked to see it in addition to the regen version of Willow's Path instead of rewriting it totally.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

They should swap oblivions foe and willows path 5-set bonuses.

Layenem

Kego wrote: »

Whenever we have missed the Monday maintenance, there was usually a big patch come Thursday or Friday.

Maybe preperation for EU Server movement to Germany. Was on their shedule for End July / early August, as well.

HAHA good call!!!

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2014/07/28/european-megaserver-migration

eventide03b14a_ESO

uwamerlynn_ESO wrote: »

A simpler solution would have been to make all weapon abilities magicka based from the get-go. If they're going to require us to use stamina to dodge-roll, block, etc...then we shouldn't need to use it for damage as well.

They should never have had classes from the get-go. Who was complaining about the combat system or skill based system in the other TES games? 20 million copies of Skyrim sold tells me they shouldn't have messed with a system that worked and people liked. Now they are back tracking and making this game more of a TES game. The question is can they correct the glaring imbalance they have created? Why do they even need classes now that we are getting spellcraft?

The classes have essentially forced us to put into magicka with a pitiful +10 per point, which means we have to make Sophie's choice as to whether we should put into stamina and health and how much. You cannot reasonably spread your points out between all three which means stamina has to get to shaft since none of the weapon abilities come close the class abilities unless they are staves which share the benefit of the magicka pool.

The class system needs to be abandoned. They need to recognize they made a mistake with it and redesign the game to be more in line with other TES games. The other option of course is to double down and just split the class abilities and make some of them cost stamina instead of magicka. Some of the classes I love in this game, but they have essentially made this a game where everyone runs around in light armor with a staff.

This experiment with classes has failed and they need to accept it. Give us the customization we were promised and lose the classes altogether.

WebBull

tino.antoninieb17_ESO wrote: »

ZOS just look at your tournament during Quakecon. Do u see ? Are u happy with fact that all competitors are wearing robes and using sticks ? Is that it ? All in all - way u handle stamina/magic balance is JOKE. Your way of handling things is purely discriminatory and if this project of yours is not meeting your expectations - u dont need to be creative to find who is to blame. U dropped the ball once again.

Ouch the truth hurts ZOS.

Braddass

Speaking of balance ... how many NBs did we see in that Tourny?