Do you believe Emperor farming/trading has a place in AvA?

Armitas

No.

e.jeffriesb14_ESO wrote: »

"Spirit of PvP" - I could argue the same against ganks, duels, aoe groups, zergs, just about any kind of PvP that people engage in with more or less equal value (which is to say, none). The only spirit of pvp that exists is the individual's perception.

Thats great that you can argue those things, but can you actually argue that the topic at hand is within the spirit of pvp? No, an objective "Spirit of PvP" does exist, as quoted by BrianWheeler.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We are aware of many of the tactics noted here, and are actively working on solutions to them without removing the effectiveness of ability usage or siege weaponry in combat situations that are within the spirit of Cyrodiil warfare against enemy Alliances. There will be more information on this as they go through the entire internal approval process, and eventually get pushed to Live.

I would love to hear someone present a case that sabotaging your own alliance to participate in an emperor farm is within what Brian Wheeler considers the "spirit of Cyrodiil warfare."

Anomaly 2

Yes.

Armitas wrote: »

If what you say is true they should redo the game trailer and have all 3 sides shake hands in the middle of their standoff and say good game with a few nice laughs.

All this time I thought the Ouroboros symbol was supposed to signify a perpetual conflict between 3 forces I never knew it was supposed to represent the perpetual transition order of former emperor buffs. DC then EP then AD then DC then EP then AD.

What a revelation! Who would have thought it meant all that, certainly not me.

Well maybe some people did it like that, we personally didn't care if another alliance got emp. As soon as all six emp keeps were taken we went for emp.

e.jeffriesb14_ESO

Yes.

Armitas wrote: »

e.jeffriesb14_ESO wrote: »

I would love to hear someone present a case that sabotaging your own alliance to participate in an emperor farm is within what Brian Wheeler considers the "spirit of Cyrodiil warfare."

I can't speak for Wheeler, but if you're looking for justification for someone to harm their own side for, as they see it, some greater gain, I'm sure I can point to a few examples both in real world history and Elder Scrolls lore - including quests in ESO.

But that would require a different perspective of 'Spirit of whatever', which is my point. There's no definition, only personal perspectives.

Let me ask you, why would you harm your own side by preventing them from getting stronger at the expense of the same strength going to an enemy faction? The math seems pretty clearly in favor of your side doing 'one emp for us, one emp for them', since you're splitting up the downsides between two enemy groups.

Citidel

No.

Anomaly 2 wrote: »

Well maybe some people did it like that, we personally didn't care if another alliance got emp. As soon as all six emp keeps were taken we went for emp.

Did your group actively prevent them from taking keeps? I've seen groups of 24 sitting at the last keep not doing anything waiting for the flip before they started taking keeps back.

I still dont understand the logic of "welp lets wait for them to flip so the next guy gets it." I still feel that this is not how it was intended, granted that's an opinion unless someone at ZoS says otherwise.

Those of you saying its not an exploit as per the game mechanics are there to allow this kind of thing to happen. I think you all just took it and ran with it a bit far... I personally feel its an exploit and should be shored up. Opinions clash and cause issues, Voicing our opinions and debating are good.

leewells

Yes.

Armitas wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

Emperor trading has its place in AVA -- its called sportsmanship (which is lacking equally on BOTH sides of the isle). At the current the AP system is completely hosed making it so any emperor can emp-lock himself. ZOS said on Reddit a few times this wasn't entirely intended to have emperor create such a "disadvantage" to other players in the alliance to keep up on the leaderboards, so I as I see it, when you are organically deposed, dropping emperor to another alliance mate helps the alliance and gives someone else a shot in the spotlight.

If what you say is true they should redo the game trailer and have all 3 sides shake hands in the middle of their standoff and say good game with a few nice laughs.

All this time I thought the Ouroboros symbol was supposed to signify a perpetual conflict between 3 forces I never knew it was supposed to represent the perpetual transition order of former emperor buffs. DC then EP then AD then DC then EP then AD.

What a revelation! Who would have thought it meant all that, certainly not me.

Interesting point being that is exactly what Talos (Tiber Septim/Ysmir) did. However, it indicates... game over.

edit: link

Armitas

No.

e.jeffriesb14_ESO wrote: »

I can't speak for Wheeler, but if you're looking for justification for someone to harm their own side for, as they see it, some greater gain, I'm sure I can point to a few examples both in real world history and Elder Scrolls lore - including quests in ESO.

But that would require a different perspective of 'Spirit of whatever', which is my point. There's no definition, only personal perspectives.

Let me ask you, why would you harm your own side by preventing them from getting stronger at the expense of the same strength going to an enemy faction? The math seems pretty clearly in favor of your side doing 'one emp for us, one emp for them', since you're splitting up the downsides between two enemy groups.

When writing Tamriel history one has interesting story in mind. When making a sustainable pvp MMO structure one might have something entirely different in mind. Same with the real world. In the real world when you die you go to the grave, in the game you go to a way shrine. Can you justify it in the game?

Which seems more plausible to you.
A) Emperor was designed to be earned
B ) Emperor was designed to be distributed by volition, by coercion, sale, or self sabotage.

Exploiting would be in my alliances immediate best interest but it's not in the best interest of the game or myself. I'm not going to cut away at the game to fulfill my own self interest.

pitdemon_ESO

No.

I've noticed that people rant their longest and loudest when they already pretty much realize that the nerfbat is coming.

O well, back to the "Are DKs really OP?" thread

AllPlayAndNoWork

No.

It will be all irrelevant soon, ZoS are already looking into it with the new Cyrodiil changes coming.... In the mean time more AP for me... Lost count of the amount of paper emperors I have killed. A lot of them are pretty poor at PvP and need the emp comfort blanket to help them out.... There are some genuinely good ones as well mind you, just not the farmers.

Armitas

No.

leewells wrote: »

Interesting point being that is exactly what Talos (Tiber Septim/Ysmir) did. However, it indicates... game over.

edit: link

Imagine the historian that writes the history of cyrodiil for our current age.


_________________The History of Tamriel Volume IV______________________


...and with the fall of the Reman dynasty the reign of the Ephemeral Emperors began....
In the year 2E 582 Emperor A begot Emperor B
Emperor B begot Emperor C
Emperor C begot Emperor D
Emperor D begot Emperor E
Emperor E begot Emperor F
Emperor F begot Emperor G
Emperor G begot Emperor H
Emperor H begot Emperor I
Emperor I begot Emperor J
Emperor J begot Emperor K
Emperor K begot Emperor L
Emperor L begot Emperor M
Emperor M begot Emperor N
Emperor N begot Emperor O
Emperor O begot Emperor P
Emperor P begot Emperor Q
Emperor Q begot Emperor R
Emperor R begot Emperor S
Emperor S begot Emperor T
Emperor T begot Emperor U
Emperor U begot Emperor V
Emperor V begot Emperor W
Emperor W begot Emperor X
Emperor X begot Emperor Y
Emperor Y begot Emperor Z

....And thus they reigned for the first day of that year. On the second day.....

Skaald

No.

Before the farming began I could log in and find fights almost any time...but now the maps are often one-sided with no fights to be found. So NO for a number of reasons, but the biggest one being that it ruins the fights just so a handful of guilds can have bragging rights.

The real shame is that there are people who genuinely earned the title which has now been made worthless by the farmers. Moreover, the collaboration between alliances opened the door to other shadier deals to help each other farm AP which cheapens pvp rank titles as well.

From the get-go this game has had a lot of exploitable content that allowed people who enjoy that path an early advantage in all things...titles, ranks, levels, gold, etc. Whatever...I still enjoy the game...its just that I would have enjoyed it that much more with those sort of characters out of the picture all together.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

No.

It's truly amusing watching people rationalizing things that are truly and definitely heinous. You see the same thing with substance addicts and compulsive liars. It's destructive not just to the person committing such acts but to anyone associated with them, even remotely. To whoever was bragging about being from "that guild" on Volendrung, congratulations. The map is fully red and you've suffocated all effective proper pvp from the server. How are you going to farm points without anyone to farm? I used to resent EP being the underdog in the first camp run, with AD fielding their 1 man army emp and then DC whipping out several of their own, but now this is making me wish for other facs to come and stomp these arrogant farmers into submission like they deserve.

Bear in mind these guilds don't act for love of their fac or whatever, they behave most selfishly, shunning anyone who isn't in their little group and holding themselves aloof as if everyone else is less than a person. PvP is factions fighting factions, not standing around having tea parties because "sharing is good". This is a MMO, not kindergarten. Emperors shouldn't be 1 man armies. They're supposed to be leaders, leading their people to victory. The only person who came close is Tiber Septim and he doesn't even get BORN until CENTURIES from now. History will only record emps from this 'period' as 'a long line of pretenders and usurpers'. If anyone's ever bothered to read the lorebooks in the game, you don't see enemy facs negotiating to hold this and that...not until after they creamed the bloody pus out of each other. You don't see countries in modern wars saying "okay, I'll hold this for x long, then you'll hold it for y long." Battles are bloody, chaotic, destructive affairs. The sort of behavior I see farm supporters advocating isn't pvp it's a school stage play.

There's any number of things Zeni can do. Either make it to where abdicating won't bestow the former buffs, or make it an incremental thing, where you only get one level of a buff for each day you hold emp, and only the full effect if you manage to hold it for a significant period of time. Or change the nature of the buffs themselves to again not support the 1 man army, but make the emperor an ACTUAL Emperor. The guy you're proud of seeing leading the charge, or commanding from the front lines. Alternatively they could outright punish players associated with collusion, as it's clearly in violation of COC. You hear the child crying most insisting he's done nothing wrong when he's CLEARLY done something wrong.

Anomaly 2

Yes.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

It's truly amusing watching people rationalizing things that are truly and definitely heinous. You see the same thing with substance addicts and compulsive liars. It's destructive not just to the person committing such acts but to anyone associated with them, even remotely. To whoever was bragging about being from "that guild" on Volendrung, congratulations. The map is fully red and you've suffocated all effective proper pvp from the server. How are you going to farm points without anyone to farm? I used to resent EP being the underdog in the first camp run, with AD fielding their 1 man army emp and then DC whipping out several of their own, but now this is making me wish for other facs to come and stomp these arrogant farmers into submission like they deserve.

Yeah we stopped emp farming and started pvping and ended up doing well. We ended up turning the server red. Shouldn't we being striving to do that? Its a war and the goal is to dominate the map. You don't want us emp farming, you dont want us pvping. Wtf do you want us to do? Leave the server? Okay we go to another server and end up dominating that one. Then what? Doesn't make sense. Sounds like your just whining and don't want us pvping at all. Volen is our home, we stopped emp farming and are now pvping. You all should be rejoicing that you got what you wanted from us. Volen is no longer a emp farming server. There are other servers that are dominated by one faction. Are you going to start bitching about Bloodthorn being a DC owned server next? We never once told anyone not to come to the server and not try and stop us. In fact many people did and it was a lot of fun fighting. There was times we were stuck in a single keep like when we held brk for three hours to not let DC get emp. I don't hear anybody discussing any days like those that we had. What happened isnt as black and white as you think it is. I'll say it again just in case I haven't said it enough times in this post, don't whine about emp farming, then a guild stop doing it and pvping instead and winning the server is being won by a faction and shutting down anymore possible emp farming. Were clearly pvping and defending what we have. It escapes me how you can complain about both these things sentences from each other in the same same post. The contradiction is unreal.

Cody

No.

Armitas wrote: »

Gloran wrote: »

Envy, Resentment and Lack of Knowledge.
It's the origin of this "issue" and the source that will fuel it.

Ah, you voted yes. Good to know where Alacrity stands on the issue. Contrary to the "zero tolerance" policy that you claim to maintain it appears that there are some exploits that you can tolerate.

alacrity is(are? lol) a bunch of hypocrites. don't take them seriously. many of them power grinded and exploited to the max level the first week of the game

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

No.

Anomaly 2 wrote: »

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

It's truly amusing watching people rationalizing things that are truly and definitely heinous. You see the same thing with substance addicts and compulsive liars. It's destructive not just to the person committing such acts but to anyone associated with them, even remotely. To whoever was bragging about being from "that guild" on Volendrung, congratulations. The map is fully red and you've suffocated all effective proper pvp from the server. How are you going to farm points without anyone to farm? I used to resent EP being the underdog in the first camp run, with AD fielding their 1 man army emp and then DC whipping out several of their own, but now this is making me wish for other facs to come and stomp these arrogant farmers into submission like they deserve.

Yeah we stopped emp farming and started pvping and ended up doing well. We ended up turning the server red. Shouldn't we being striving to do that? Its a war and the goal is to dominate the map. You don't want us emp farming, you dont want us pvping. Wtf do you want us to do? Leave the server? Okay we go to another server and end up dominating that one. Then what? Doesn't make sense. Sounds like your just whining and don't want us pvping at all. Volen is our home, we stopped emp farming and are now pvping. You all should be rejoicing that you got what you wanted from us. Volen is no longer a emp farming server. There are other servers that are dominated by one faction. Are you going to start bitching about Bloodthorn being a DC owned server next? We never once told anyone not to come to the server and not try and stop us. In fact many people did and it was a lot of fun fighting. There was times we were stuck in a single keep like when we held brk for three hours to not let DC get emp. I don't hear anybody discussing any days like those that we had. What happened isnt as black and white as you think it is. I'll say it again just in case I haven't said it enough times in this post, don't whine about emp farming, then a guild stop doing it and pvping instead and winning the server is being won by a faction and shutting down anymore possible emp farming. Were clearly pvping and defending what we have. It escapes me how you can complain about both these things sentences from each other in the same same post. The contradiction is unreal.

What you are performing is a facsimile of pvp. Congratulations you conquered the map. Look forward to your 40k gold or whatever facs get for first place. How is it pvp when if say 6 or so people try to capture a node then all of your cronies crawl out of the woodwork, almost a dozen or so fully kitted vet 12s former emps. Then if the other fac tries to bring in reinforcements, you're not content to send them packing, you want to humiliate them, thus effectively discouraging them against playing. So I ask again where do you expect to pvp if neither opposing fac is going to want to field anyone against your indomitable ego?

You tout having your buffs but the methods you used to obtain it were shameful and disgusting. I witnessed them first hand. You brag so much about 'defending'. That the same defense I tried doing when a fort was under attack and I was instructed not to because it would 'discourage the other guys'? You didn't want combat, you wanted free points pouring in on your lap, and you still do. Please leave the server. leave and never come back, go to Dawnbreaker or Bloodthorn (which currently is sitting at 1 bar per fac that I can see). Clearly your idea of pvp is something akin to that fat kid who keeps making up fake powers to outdo anyone else to avoid real competition. You don't give bases to the other team in baseball, you don't give nets to the other team in basketball, and you don't score against yourself in soccer unless you're deep in derp mode.

Your guild makes me ashamed to be EP right now. If there are any strong guilds in AD or DC, please come to volen. I remember when a representitive of the PC guild bragged about needing opposing facs, and they refused because they knew they'd be farmed. I don't want you to be farmed. I want you to break EP like they need to be broken. The best pvp I had earlier in last camp involved 20+ people siegeing keeps and running into heavy resistance, and only after a hard fought battle would we secure victory. Everything went to crap once the unkillable DK emps came along, followed by the emp farmers. What exists now is disgusting and shameful, and anyone who condones it is equally so. DC and AD, put EP in their place. MT if you're still out there, bring your guild back.

Anomaly 2

Yes.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

What you are performing is a facsimile of pvp. Congratulations you conquered the map. Look forward to your 40k gold or whatever facs get for first place. How is it pvp when if say 6 or so people try to capture a node then all of your cronies crawl out of the woodwork, almost a dozen or so fully kitted vet 12s former emps. Then if the other fac tries to bring in reinforcements, you're not content to send them packing, you want to humiliate them, thus effectively discouraging them against playing. So I ask again where do you expect to pvp if neither opposing fac is going to want to field anyone against your indomitable ego?

You tout having your buffs but the methods you used to obtain it were shameful and disgusting. I witnessed them first hand. You brag so much about 'defending'. That the same defense I tried doing when a fort was under attack and I was instructed not to because it would 'discourage the other guys'? You didn't want combat, you wanted free points pouring in on your lap, and you still do. Please leave the server. leave and never come back, go to Dawnbreaker or Bloodthorn (which currently is sitting at 1 bar per fac that I can see). Clearly your idea of pvp is something akin to that fat kid who keeps making up fake powers to outdo anyone else to avoid real competition. You don't give bases to the other team in baseball, you don't give nets to the other team in basketball, and you don't score against yourself in soccer unless you're deep in derp mode.

Your guild makes me ashamed to be EP right now. If there are any strong guilds in AD or DC, please come to volen. I remember when a representitive of the PC guild bragged about needing opposing facs, and they refused because they knew they'd be farmed. I don't want you to be farmed. I want you to break EP like they need to be broken. The best pvp I had earlier in last camp involved 20+ people siegeing keeps and running into heavy resistance, and only after a hard fought battle would we secure victory. Everything went to crap once the unkillable DK emps came along, followed by the emp farmers. What exists now is disgusting and shameful, and anyone who condones it is equally so. DC and AD, put EP in their place. MT if you're still out there, bring your guild back.

You clearly havent read to much else of what is going on the forum, the 40k reward is part of the issue. When we first came to this server we had few people, couldnt do much. So we pvped against some of the other factions in friendly competition. Once we had a few more we started taking keeps.

AD told us that they couldn't take any keeps and it was feeling pointless to always be assaulting. So we let them take keeps so they could defend them. This was the start of how " emp farming" occurred. We ended up crowning a few emps and everyone hit the fan and began crying on the forums. I'm very aware of that attitude that went down and what some people were saying. But the intent was never to take keeps that easily. We planned on fighting to gain as many emps as we could, however many that ended up being no one knew. The biggest problem we encountered in that server, was there was no one there. Not many people to PvP against. If we left there prob would be around 5 people per faction at a time on the server. Also earning free alliance points means nothing to mean, I spend all that on siege/repairs/camps so I don't really gain much since how much I spend.

Like I said you know very little of what really went on that server, and it wasn't as black and white as you think it was. There was some deals made with other factions and it caused a lot of anger within our guild and some players including myself stopped helping temporarily at one point because of it. it was process that turned the server into what it was ( not anymore because we own the server with intention of pvping which apparently we can't do) I think emperor farming is okay, I don't necessarily agree with emperor trading. They are two different things.

The problem is for most of the time we were on there it was only one alliance vs alliance rather then AvAvA. At the height of it all the AD were entirely split and half of them wanted to get rid of EP and the rest wanted to fight DC. Turned into a civil war. Also bloodthorn says it has one bar per faction but in reality its much less then that. I do a lot of dueling on there, and there is no competition for the server because DC wiped the floor with everyone there. It happens.Your analogy is a weird one there is nothing fake about the strength of our guild, that is why no one wants to go there. If anyone tries to remove us from that server by "breaking" us, there going to get a surprise. Our guild is a great at pvp and look forward to any competition so I hope they come in force and face us, sounds like fun. To also point out how contradicting your are, what you said "You don't give bases to the other team in baseball, you don't give nets to the other team in basketball, and you don't score against yourself in soccer unless you're deep in derp mode" yet were not giving up our keeps and your pissed about it? I will say it again we pvp there it is not our fault we can't get any resistance because there never really was. There is nothing tangible that can be taken from your post. The underlying issue is what needs to be addressed that brought PvP to this state. Zenni is working on it, and by reading forums like this it will bring Cyrodiil to a better state and I hope they skip past your posts and read people's like Imperator_Clydus post's because he actually has things of significance to say on here.

Imperator_Clydus

No.

e.jeffriesb14_ESO wrote: »

It has just as much a place in the game as farming xp to gain levels. It has just as much a place as farming dungeons or trials to gear up your friends and guildmates.

It's worth having to make your character more potent. Even if there were no buffs associated, there's still the perception of value (people like to collect achievements, rare costumes, so on), and therefore reason for people to attempt to accomplish it for as many of their friends and guildmates as they can. Even better, it happens in the PvP zone such that others can compete either by trying to get next in line for Emp or by taking advantage of the large numbers of people who conveniently gather in the same locations over and over flipping keeps.

Any arguments I've heard against farming emperorship have glaring holes in them.

"Spirit of PvP" - I could argue the same against ganks, duels, aoe groups, zergs, just about any kind of PvP that people engage in with more or less equal value (which is to say, none). The only spirit of pvp that exists is the individual's perception.

"Promotes cheating" - hacking, glitching, and so on should definitely be punished, and I'd like to see this happen more often and with greater severity. But sadly, so long as there's the barest hint of competition, people will attempt to cheat - emp farming isn't some sort of gateway drug. If the solution to cheating is to remove all sense of reward and progress for playing, there would be no game.

"Not the right way to gain Emp" - again, matter of perspective. Questing is the right way to gain VR12 - anyone who grinded mobs is WRONG. See how silly this argument is? For many people, it's a game with mechanical objectives and all else is window dressing. It's the same mindset that skips quest dialogues, turned up to the next notch. Kinda boring perspective in my opinion, but not wrong.

For those who are opposed to Emp farming, how do you justify xp farming in dungeons, gold and soul gem farming, or other such behavior that likewise has a strong influence in Cyrodiil?

I don't believe any kind of farming is appropriate or necessary. We aren't living in the early 2000s where every MMO's main progression was grinding the same mobs over and over again. Gear progression in raiding is a entirely different beast, as it's meant as a mechanism to keep people busy.

So if any completionist wants to be emperor, they are entitled to farm regardless of the core pillars of the AvA system? That's what I deciphered out of your paragraph. The Emperor is an "emperor" for a reason. It's not something that everyone should achieve and certainly everyone will not. This isn't a amusement park where it's not your turn to "be the emperor." People are sadly turning the emperorship into just that.

You do realize that killing is the main resource for gaining AP, of which every emperor farmer is engaging in to be successful? All of your supposed downsides and poor behaviors in PvP can easily be attributed from emperor farming. This is exactly my point that emperor farming is leading to bad and undesirable behavior on a variety of fronts.

There is no sense of achievement when the title itself is meaningless and everybody is pawning it off to the next guy. Whatever pride and awe the emperor once gave to people has long since been lost due to the abuses and illegitimate players claiming it. I doubt there are many who will care if they see an emperor these days as it's not something to really be proud of.

While you won't be banned or warned for grinding mobs, it is technically not intended or encouraged. In fact, ZOS had to reduce the amount of EXP gains in public dungeons, group dungeons, and the various grinding ways in Craglorn, of which originally broke VR progression at endgame. People decided to grind because it was more efficient and they didn't have to deal with all the repetitive questing. Does that make it right or intended? Not exactly, and actions on the account of ZOS have proved they do not encourage that behavior.

Farming the emperorship versus farming soul gems aren't exactly identical. One won't lead to a skill line that can lead to you having an advantage over others. Regardless, I can only state that I don't approve of any sort of farming. Getting back to the heart of the matter, this "play style" is changing the mentality of AvA for the worst, and many have left or are leaving as a result. Whether you approve of farming or not, it's irrefutable it is certainly having an impact on the Cyrodiil experience.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

No.

Funny you mention someone also firmly opposed to emp farming and the current state of pvp, yet someone who bears the brunt of much criticism so much so I've seen his name slurred a number of times.

How is "emperor farming" and "emperor trading" two separate things? They're EXACTLY the same thing. I watched aghast as in the span of 8 hours 4 emperors from each AD and EP were crowned, and with almost machine like precision, keeps were flipped. I ran out of fingers counting how many camps were setup across the map, making it much quicker for teams to siege keeps. AD was likely complicit in it, and if DC tried making a push, apparently they felt discouraged when they smelled the atmosphere in the server as they're virtually nonexistent on the scoreboard. You keep mentioning defense, yet how many times did I see keeps with little to no repairs?

So now that everything's settled down what passes for pvp these days? Occasionally AD might take the inner ring, but it's the same thing. Emp farming/trading however you want to swing it. Lipstick on Glutton from Daggerfall is still Glutton. "don't discourage the other guys". How is swooping down with all the wrath of your ill-gotten emperor buffs not the LEAST bit discouraging.

It's all fun and games for these big guilds and their elite forces, but what about the every person who comes in sees a dead server and just gives up? I have no expectations of getting emperorship. I have even less so getting any of the big goodies, but I'd rather run scout quests end on end and sink every drop of gold I have to repair walls than engage in cheap hollow combat. Who knows, if I'm persistent enough I might break into the top 10 once the camp ends. Heck I made top 20 last camp and that was after the PC guild wrung us out and hung us out to dry because they got their jollies.

Tripwyr

NookyZooky wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Gloran wrote: »

Envy, Resentment and Lack of Knowledge.
It's the origin of this "issue" and the source that will fuel it.

Ah, you voted yes. Good to know where Alacrity stands on the issue. Contrary to the "zero tolerance" policy that you claim to maintain it appears that there are some exploits that you can tolerate.

alacrity is(are? lol) a bunch of hypocrites. don't take them seriously. many of them power grinded and exploited to the max level the first week of the game

Are you being serious right now? It is unbelievable how far people like you will stretch to defame us and our guild. I'm sorry that we've killed you in Player vs. Player combat. I'm sorry that we killed your group much larger than ours. I'm sorry that you're unable to find anything wrong with us because we're entirely above board players.

Finding the most efficient leveling method and using it to reach maximum level faster than anybody else is not exploiting. Many of us did not enjoy the questing/leveling content and/or enjoyed maximum level content more, so we chose to skip the leveling content. They are called "side quests" for a reason, it is not intended that every player consume that content.

Cody

No.

Tripwyr wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Gloran wrote: »

Envy, Resentment and Lack of Knowledge.
It's the origin of this "issue" and the source that will fuel it.

Ah, you voted yes. Good to know where Alacrity stands on the issue. Contrary to the "zero tolerance" policy that you claim to maintain it appears that there are some exploits that you can tolerate.

alacrity is(are? lol) a bunch of hypocrites. don't take them seriously. many of them power grinded and exploited to the max level the first week of the game

Are you being serious right now? It is unbelievable how far people like you will stretch to defame us and our guild. I'm sorry that we've killed you in Player vs. Player combat. I'm sorry that we killed your group much larger than ours. I'm sorry that you're unable to find anything wrong with us because we're entirely above board players.

Finding the most efficient leveling method and using it to reach maximum level faster than anybody else is not exploiting. Many of us did not enjoy the questing/leveling content and/or enjoyed maximum level content more, so we chose to skip the leveling content. They are called "side quests" for a reason, it is not intended that every player consume that content.

.... its not about you beating me in PvP. idc about being good in PvP. if I did I would switch to a LA staff dragonknight to get the best build possible, but im not doing that. can you not see the player in your guild saying YES to emperor farming? lol. I rest my case. think what you will. oh and some people think reaching VR10 the first... what did you guys say... 3 days? 5? is AT LEAST a little suspicious. but I cant argue the results.

Honfold

No.

I just do not understand the appeal of Emperor farming. I mean the passives are not that great. The title of "Former Emperor" means nothing anymore, I mean wearing the "Former Emperor" tag seems to be discouraged.

Imperator_Clydus

No.

The PvP forums alone have shown that many are not happy with the current situation in Cyrodiil. Whether you are in favor of emperor farming/trading or not, you cannot claim the game has not suffered because of it and other less than genuine activities.

What can be a strength, and at the same time a setback for MMORPGs, is the actions of a few can actually impact the experience of many. There are obviously many more issues to resolve than just how the emperorship is achieved and used.

Irregardless, this thread among many others is necessary in order to provide awareness as well as possible solutions and ideas of taking a game we all love, and trying to make it better. We can only hope that ZOS is listening on some level and perhaps we'll get some more answers about the future of Cyrodiil at QuakeCon next week.

Cody

No.

if it was up to me, these people would be banned on site, all the guilds associated with it disbanded... yeah. harsh punishment. it bothers me though that people here actually say YES to emp farming:/ hopefully something is done.

Malveria