kirnmalidus wrote: »This is basically the build I've used to get through (almost) all of the faction vet content solo. It is quite effective.
I have been playing NB also since the dawn of the elder scrolls online, and have always been burst dps, stam build, no defence, always having to count on dodge and rolls and Magnum shot lifesaver that skill is, and curious to what pieces you have swapped out for heavy, and glyphs and such.
Kimbyungmo wrote: »Jejus.. this is terrible guide
Degeneration??? do you seriously believe its good skill? I say LOL
And use veiled blade rather than soul tether. its 100x better
I have to say that this build is OK, but not great. Debilitate does more damage than Degeneration and slows the enemy weapon swings. With all the other health regen in this build, Degeneration is a bit overkill.
Outside of that, it is actually a workable build for questing, soloing, and possibly pvp. That is, if you don't mind doing less damage.
As for dungeons and trials, this build just doesn't cut it. If everyone had the lower dps for higher "survivability" this build advertises, nothing in trials would die and dungeons would take forever. I would love for this kind of build to be competitive in trials and dungeons, but it just isn't there yet.
Yes, people complete trials and dungeons with stamina and hybrid builds. Yes, they do decent dps sometimes. However, current state of the game doesn't allow them to be on par with magicka builds.
No matter how much ZoS and players who stick to stamina/hybrid builds sell those builds, they just aren't as effective as they should be yet. Which makes them not worth playing because you simply can't get the same enjoyment out of them.
I personally can't force myself to play something that doesn't perform at peak efficiency. It makes me feel like I'm letting my group members down. If I can change my build to do more damage, healing, tanking, or whatever it is I'm supposed to be doing, I'll research until I find it and make the change.
So far, I haven't found any stamina or hybrid build that out performs a pure caster build on NB for dps in trials or dungeons, which are my main focus. That isn't for lack of trying though. I've tested several builds that I thought might work, but they just don't have the same strength.
kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »Grats, with this build you will kill mobs (and maybe players if you are lucky) in about 3x the time that DK/Templars will and 10x the time of a sorc.
I have to say that this build is OK, but not great. Debilitate does more damage than Degeneration and slows the enemy weapon swings. With all the other health regen in this build, Degeneration is a bit overkill.
Outside of that, it is actually a workable build for questing, soloing, and possibly pvp. That is, if you don't mind doing less damage.
As for dungeons and trials, this build just doesn't cut it. If everyone had the lower dps for higher "survivability" this build advertises, nothing in trials would die and dungeons would take forever. I would love for this kind of build to be competitive in trials and dungeons, but it just isn't there yet.
Yes, people complete trials and dungeons with stamina and hybrid builds. Yes, they do decent dps sometimes. However, current state of the game doesn't allow them to be on par with magicka builds.
No matter how much ZoS and players who stick to stamina/hybrid builds sell those builds, they just aren't as effective as they should be yet. Which makes them not worth playing because you simply can't get the same enjoyment out of them.
I personally can't force myself to play something that doesn't perform at peak efficiency. It makes me feel like I'm letting my group members down. If I can change my build to do more damage, healing, tanking, or whatever it is I'm supposed to be doing, I'll research until I find it and make the change.
So far, I haven't found any stamina or hybrid build that out performs a pure caster build on NB for dps in trials or dungeons, which are my main focus. That isn't for lack of trying though. I've tested several builds that I thought might work, but they just don't have the same strength.
fafnircorrino wrote: »Thanks for posting this, there aren't enough NB builds for a lot of people to go off of. I use a similar type, only using medium armor for better stamina and crits. I think the problem a lot of people have is the while playing as a NB, it requires a greater amount of forethought and strategy, using shadowy disguise backstabs, long range shots and health siphoning. It's rare that a NB can charge into anything, so people who want to play a normal hack and slash will obviously see the NB as weak, as well would people who want to summon creatures and do massive area attacks. However, a group of four NBs is pretty devastating. A good tactic I have used in pvp, is to sneak around behind an enemy line with a couple of NBs and use coordinated teleport strikes, followed by shadowy disguise and concealed weapon hits, sneak out, then strike again. Works especially well on groups of healers and archers, you can annihilate them easily by using teleport strikes, it just requires a little strategy and finesse. The Reaper's Mark is especially useful in this regard, as you can mark someone and take them out in 4 or 5 hits. I found this guide to be pretty useful as well for NB builds forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/62384/class-guide-in-depth-nightblade-class-guide/p1. If anything, it provides a strong basis to draw from.
I have been wondering why ZOS would feature a NB build when it seems to be the weakest class one could build. Then it dawned on me that that might be why--to show an effective NB build was possible. Good job. This build has turned the game around for me so far and I'm now VR-2 almost finishing Deshaan.
It looks like I'll have to get updates on this build directly from ZOS.
Will ZOS or Elusid be updating/maintaining this build in this thread as needed or elsewhere?
I cannot locate Elusid or Daan Schreuder?
I would hesitate to make any changes unless ZOS or the original creator of the build deems a change appropriate. There is always argument going on about this or that with any build--especially when the hardcore go hybrid and in this case ZOS lets them.
Please send me the link! Thanks. You should consider this thread your thread to support your Blood Rogue build and improve on it. I have not taken anyone's suggestions here yet--waiting for ZOS or for you to make improvements. I started in AD and am now VR-3 in EP over half way through. I am playing solo drops only with all alchemy skills capped for 3 x attributes and invisibility potions. And lots of soul gems to solo through some encounters and dungeons if others are not around to help.GreenElusid wrote: »Right now i'm working on a build which does way more dammage and still has great survivabillity, i might send that build to bethesda too, but i doubt they'll show 2 of my builds. If anyone really wants to know this build i'll send you a link so you can see.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback everyone!
Wow, the guy was just sharing his build. He didn't say it was the best, which he is probably damn well aware of.
EVERYONE knows the op faceroll fotgame builds, no one is debating skirt jerkin and stick.
Why are you guys jumping all over him?
Please send me the link! Thanks. You should consider this thread your thread to support your Blood Rogue build and improve on it. I have not taken anyone's suggestions here yet--waiting for ZOS or for you to make improvements. I started in AD and am now VR-3 in EP over half way through. I am playing solo drops only with all alchemy skills capped for 3 x attributes and invisibility potions. And lots of soul gems to solo through some encounters and dungeons if others are not around to help.GreenElusid wrote: »Right now i'm working on a build which does way more dammage and still has great survivabillity, i might send that build to bethesda too, but i doubt they'll show 2 of my builds. If anyone really wants to know this build i'll send you a link so you can see.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback everyone!
During many battles with others helping it often seems to me that the other classes are OP. When I'm soloing a battle of 2 or 3 it is critical to get in a sneak attack or first hit on the staff first and take them out first. If the mob is 3 then I often need Soul Tether and a potion. Four or more are impossible where I can use an Invisibility potion to sneak past. Full blown boss battles are quite impossible for me to solo. So far I am very glad I am not repeating the 'forced solo only boss battles' of AD. I hope to finish EP and all of DC but this could depend on my solo survivor-ability and I will have to put another $15 into the coffin--er coffer.
Two other things as a result of solo, self find, crafting only alchemy, and no need for a horse or pack and bank capacity greater then 90 items in each is I have 115,000 gold accrued and around 10 skill points unassigned from my last respecting at the end of AD before kiting Molag Bal. My DW and Bow skill lines are exactly as you have laid them out for your Blood Rogue.
And a final third thing is I have been using the Boon: The Lover exclusively--never changing it once throughout the entire game. I do not enjoy and in fact have refused applying hardcore die-hard strategy to the game. Unless I simply end up with a NB build needed in PvP I don't expect to see that aspect of this game but once or twice by misfortune.
Kimbyungmo wrote: »Jejus.. this is terrible guide
Degeneration??? do you seriously believe its good skill? I say LOL
And use veiled blade rather than soul tether. its 100x better