AD is the only consistent presence in PvP and the imbalance is further aiding in killing PvP (NA)

Laura

I'm not here to bash AD, it's not there fault and I'm sure most of them would prefer real challenges. I want to make that perfectly clear.


Is the community on DC and EP just that small or do they just not care? Seems every night on Wabba we are doing decent and by the morning they have the entire map two bars on the campaign and pretty much no presence for DC or EP. People in my PvP guilds are just giving up in droves because they say they can't stay up all night and by the morning the map will be yellow and impossible to win no matter how good we do during the day.

It use to be during scheduled PvP times we would have 40+ people ready to rock, we would help give a decent fight and turn the tide on the map. Lately they just don't show up and when asked they say there is no point because there is no way to keep the map balanced at night and it feels like an impossible uphill battle.

yesterday ten people showed up

day before that five.


Is there ANY campaign that has a fair shot for all three? One that actually has a consistent presence at night and in the morning and if not what could ZoS possibly (if anything) do about this?

Do you think the campaign changes will help? I use to have a blast PvPing and it seems like this strange trend is disturbing. I even see quite a few people moving over to AD because of it. (though I don't know why, I don't see how that is fun either)


I know for a fact several EP pvp guilds completely quit after the last campaign and now its just a total *** show. It won't be fun for anyone if only one side is left.

Agrippa_Invisus

Sounds like Wabba's getting AB'ed. Too much AD stacking (again).

Laura

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Sounds like Wabba's getting AB'ed. Too much AD stacking (again).

I don't know but as I'm typing this three campaigns have an AD presence and DC/EP aren't doing anything. I wan't to get some decent fights in but it literally feels like were just getting farmed by the mega zerg.

Tintinabula

what you're seeing is ppl leaving pvp by the droves because of fps. Maybe AD isn't suffering from it but EPs numbers definitely have dropped on wabba.

If you're not suffering from it you're one of the few.

Laura

Tintinabula wrote: »

what you're seeing is ppl leaving pvp by the droves because of fps. Maybe AD isn't suffering from it but EPs numbers definitely have dropped on wabba.

If you're not suffering from it you're one of the few.

Oh it definitely does effect me for sure and I'm sure that is part of it. I doubt it doesn't effect AD though - it could be part of it and just exacerbating an issue that was already there because this was happening before its just to a point now that its absolutely one sided and can not be enjoyed in any way.

heng14rwb17_ESO

We have to protect our queen even if there is a need to relog 100 times!

SwampRaider

DC use to have 2 bars pop on Dawnbreaker during NA prime time. Then about 70-100 people stopped playing (FOR THE MOMENT) due to FPS issues.

idk what it is, but apparently DC don't like playing in 2 FPS, but AD and EP are fine with it on that server

kirnmalidus

Dawnbreaker seems pretty balanced at the moment. Great battle to take emperor from EP last night.

Halrloprillalar

DB NA is a pretty solid battleground with all three sides. It did seem that DC went to bed a little earlier than EP but EP has emp and they want to keep it... for a little while longer >:D

Lord_Draevan

I personally stopped playing PvP after the campaign reset to see how things settled after a week or so, looks like the highest population is still gonna be on Wabbajack, but there's fighting on Dawnbreaker too with 2 bars each faction during prime time.
But as mentioned above a lot of people are quitting due to FPS until it gets resolved. Hopefully AD won't take too much of a lead that will deter people from playing on it.

kirnmalidus

I guess I don't understand the whole "AD dominating/leading" thing. Last time I checked we were in last place on the leaderboard in all (both) of the competitive campaigns, unless something has changed in Wabbajack since I left it for Dawnbreaker.

Tintinabula

kirnmalidus wrote: »

I guess I don't understand the whole "AD dominating/leading" thing. Last time I checked we were in last place on the leaderboard in all (both) of the competitive campaigns, unless something has changed in Wabbajack since I left it for Dawnbreaker.

Uhm yea AD been leading there since new campaign wabba. Emp groups running around unaffected by FPS drop taking everything.

Halrloprillalar

Tintinabula wrote: »

kirnmalidus wrote: »

I guess I don't understand the whole "AD dominating/leading" thing. Last time I checked we were in last place on the leaderboard in all (both) of the competitive campaigns, unless something has changed in Wabbajack since I left it for Dawnbreaker.

Uhm yea AD been leading there since new campaign wabba. Emp groups running around unaffected by FPS drop taking everything.

you know who they are? I wanna learn their fps magic trick

Samadhi

Laura wrote: »

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Is the community on DC and EP just that small or do they just not care? Seems every night on Wabba we are doing decent and by the morning they have the entire map two bars on the campaign and pretty much no presence for DC or EP. People in my PvP guilds are just giving up in droves because they say they can't stay up all night and by the morning the map will be yellow and impossible to win no matter how good we do during the day.
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I play Daggerfall, and I can't PvP more than 15 minutes in Cyrodiil without lagging out horribly due to the recent FPS issue.

But regarding actual population balances...
I know back when the game released, people said that Auriel's Bow had a much stronger Oceanic presence of AD.

After playing for several months, I get the impression that a lot of (though obviously not all) Daggerfall's PvPers are people who work during the day and have to PvP around that schedule.

I really just wish they had reduced the number of campaigns when the last set of them ended. There are still too many. We really need to condense and have our competitive members battle for control, instead of people being spread out across servers avoiding each other. =/

kirnmalidus

Samadhi wrote: »

I really just wish they had reduced the number of campaigns when the last set of them ended. There are still too many. We really need to condense and have our competitive members battle for control, instead of people being spread out across servers avoiding each other. =/

That's the real issue. I'm a bit shocked they didn't move to the new campaign structure when the previous campaigns ended.

Now that they didn't take that opportunity, they'll either have to end the current campaigns early or wait another three months.

That's just lazy.

galiumb16_ESO

Laura wrote: »

People in my PvP guilds are just giving up in droves because they say they can't stay up all night and by the morning the map will be yellow and impossible to win no matter how good we do during the day.

Why does it matter? If you log in, can quickly get a fight and have great fights the entire time you are playing, why does it matter if it is all yellow when you wake up?

The issue only becomes a problem when everyone heads to some other server leaving not enough to have good fights at any point of the day. This is exactly what happened with Auriel's Bow and given current trends will happen to Wabbajack, and then repeat again one some new campaign in the future.

Wabba is suffering from a few different issues as well. Folks are moving off in hopes of finding some FPS relief on other campaigns, as well apparently some lovely leader of AD admitted to cheating and folks just have no interest in playing against it. Not saying there is any truth to it, but often truth is not as important as perception.

Ultimately what the game needed most, besides FPS fixes, was atleast a 50% reduction in campaigns when the last campaign series ended. Until we get that, lots of these kinds of issues.

Rallick71

The problem on Wabba atm is that the Yellow team are able to field a group of Emp/Ex-Emp's (about 8-10) and take a whole keep just by themselves without much opposition. DC doesn't have the ability to field a team like that because we don't even have enough Ex-Emps to try to fight potatoes with potatoes

There is definitely an imbalance right now and it shows. DC needs a lot more numbers just to accomplish what the Emperor group is doing on the server so we can't even get our own scroll(s) back.

Bramir

A lot of us haven't been playing for the last week or so since Cyrodiil is pretty much broken from the fps issues...

EP will wipe the floor with AD even if outnumbered once they get this bug fixed, so I'm not really worried about it...

yodased

Its because AD has the best zones to level in of course. That and we have the best races!

Rylana

inb4 everyone goes to dawnbreaker and ruins the near perfect factional balance we have there.

seriously, dont.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

AD has the most zergy noobs who just roll with the ball and spam stuff.

Sorry.. I had to

Seriously though I have no clue as to why anyone is playing. I don't roll with the rainbow trains so I don't know the answer but perhaps they cause more lag than they experience themselves. That's the only thing beyond "Internet Points at all cost" that makes any sense to me.

Wideglide007

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

I really just wish they had reduced the number of campaigns when the last set of them ended. There are still too many. We really need to condense and have our competitive members battle for control, instead of people being spread out across servers avoiding each other. =/

That's the real issue. I'm a bit shocked they didn't move to the new campaign structure when the previous campaigns ended.

Now that they didn't take that opportunity, they'll either have to end the current campaigns early or wait another three months.

That's just lazy.

been around since just after launch, and from what I've seen in that time, NOTHING ZOS does surprises me anymore. It's like they want us to bail

bitaken

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

DB NA is a pretty solid battleground with all three sides. It did seem that DC went to bed a little earlier than EP but EP has emp and they want to keep it... for a little while longer >:D

Took care of that issue today on Dawnbreaker

Zintair

Not worried about AD on wabbajack. They have the Empress group and that is literally the only talented group of AD there.

Once the FPS issues are resolved AD gonna get rolled.

Not too mention these campaigns gonna get cut short so there is no real winner here. Lot of people peeved about that.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

1.2.3 slowly killed the last decent NA campaign.... Its no better than AB now. Hopefully a complete resolve of the FPS issues will bring people back. Probably wont get back everyone tho...

SwampRaider

bitaken wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

DB NA is a pretty solid battleground with all three sides. It did seem that DC went to bed a little earlier than EP but EP has emp and they want to keep it... for a little while longer >:D

Took care of that issue today on Dawnbreaker

DC wakes up early, but now fails to show 2 bars during NA prime time, when EP and AD have 2 bar pop

Halrloprillalar

SwampRaider wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

DB NA is a pretty solid battleground with all three sides. It did seem that DC went to bed a little earlier than EP but EP has emp and they want to keep it... for a little while longer >:D

Took care of that issue today on Dawnbreaker

DC wakes up early, but now fails to show 2 bars during NA prime time, when EP and AD have 2 bar pop

i guess DC got some oceanic crew on DB? shrug. I have to work.

Zintair wrote: »

Not worried about AD on wabbajack. They have the Empress group and that is literally the only talented group of AD there.

Once the FPS issues are resolved AD gonna get rolled.

Not too mention these campaigns gonna get cut short so there is no real winner here. Lot of people peeved about that.

lol @ 'AD will lose once we can FPS good' because it's affecting us just as much and we would also prefer to play ESO instead of 'guess what button', so don't let that be your excuse

also, how do you know what they're doing for the campaigns exactly? did i miss a green post somewhere?

Permafrost

Truthfully, you can't judge balance right now. To do so is to be grossly misguided. The majority of my guild refuses to log in until FPS issues are fixed because Cyrodil is a slide-show and a joke at the moment. I love ESO, but I cannot blame them.

I'm sure any other remotely competitive individuals and guilds feel the same way. My guess is that anywhere from 30-40% of extremely active PvPers are simply not playing the game. The lack of progress after the "hot fix" was especially disheartening. Yes, I know they are working on it and I am sure it is their top priority receiving the most concerted of efforts to repair.

Anyone who has seen the rise and fall of MMOs over the past decade knows that this is probably the make or break week for ESO. If we're still talking about this issue next Thursday, PvP in ESO will not survive. That's not hyperbole and it's not a fatalistic view. PvPers simply don't stand for issues like this. Frankly, I'm shocked so many of us have grit our teeth through everything thus far. It just goes to show the immense potential (a huge chunk already lost) of this game.

SwampRaider

Permafrost wrote: »

Truthfully, you can't judge balance right now. To do so is to be grossly misguided. The majority of my guild refuses to log in until FPS issues are fixed because Cyrodil is a slide-show and a joke at the moment. I love ESO, but I cannot blame them.

I'm sure any other remotely competitive individuals and guilds feel the same way. My guess is that anywhere from 30-40% of extremely active PvPers are simply not playing the game. The lack of progress after the "hot fix" was especially disheartening. Yes, I know they are working on it and I am sure it is their top priority receiving the most concerted of efforts to repair.

Anyone who has seen the rise and fall of MMOs over the past decade knows that this is probably the make or break week for ESO. If we're still talking about this issue next Thursday, PvP in ESO will not survive. That's not hyperbole and it's not a fatalistic view. PvPers simply don't stand for issues like this. Frankly, I'm shocked so many of us have grit our teeth through everything thus far. It just goes to show the immense potential (a huge chunk already lost) of this game.

Indeed. 90% of my pvp guild is not logging on into DB until its fixed. it's hurting DC's progress, but hey..you don't want to drag people in to do something they hate doing in slideshow mode

Xael

Laura wrote: »

I'm not here to bash AD, it's not there fault and I'm sure most of them would prefer real challenges. I want to make that perfectly clear.


Is the community on DC and EP just that small or do they just not care? Seems every night on Wabba we are doing decent and by the morning they have the entire map two bars on the campaign and pretty much no presence for DC or EP. People in my PvP guilds are just giving up in droves because they say they can't stay up all night and by the morning the map will be yellow and impossible to win no matter how good we do during the day.

It use to be during scheduled PvP times we would have 40+ people ready to rock, we would help give a decent fight and turn the tide on the map. Lately they just don't show up and when asked they say there is no point because there is no way to keep the map balanced at night and it feels like an impossible uphill battle.

yesterday ten people showed up

day before that five.


Is there ANY campaign that has a fair shot for all three? One that actually has a consistent presence at night and in the morning and if not what could ZoS possibly (if anything) do about this?

Do you think the campaign changes will help? I use to have a blast PvPing and it seems like this strange trend is disturbing. I even see quite a few people moving over to AD because of it. (though I don't know why, I don't see how that is fun either)


I know for a fact several EP pvp guilds completely quit after the last campaign and now its just a total *** show. It won't be fun for anyone if only one side is left.

At first I did not think you serious... but um... Wabba has been heavily dominated by non AD a lot. In fact a few days ago only 2-3 things were yellow and 2 of them are perma Yellow (East and West..) so I have no idea wtf you are whining about.

New PvP changes are on the way and posts like this truly confirm that people will whine about anything, even sh*t they don't even know about.
/mind blown

IcyDeadPeople

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Emp groups running around unaffected by FPS drop taking everything.

The fps issue is affecting everyone.

I don't understand why some people get intimidated when they see players with "former emperor" title. The buff is very small (5% ultimate cost reduction, 2% siege damage bonus, 1% healing bonus). It doesn't compare to fighting the active emperor.