How do sorcs hit so hard?

KBKB

Snit wrote: »

Jarnhand wrote: »

Problem with ESO is it breaks the normal logic in MMOs:
Casters = soft but hard hitting targets
they can have just as much HP and armor as any other class if they choose to.

Sorcs also suck at stealth. If you've ever hunted with a medium-armor wearer, they have numerous, significant advantages in the hiding game. Yes, anyone can hide in place. But the leather clad are more mobile when doing so.

This.

timidobserver

A Templar can use Total Dark, but only as a way to get an opening. You will go OOM first if you use it as your primary combat method. Unlike reflective scales, Total Dark becomes less viable when there are multiple opponents.

ItsRejectz

When nightblades who can crit for 6k like this, a sorc hitting at 1.2k crit isnt high at all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euqUpGz8fww

timidobserver

ItsRejectz wrote: »

When nightblades who can crit for 6k like this, a sorc hitting at 1.2k crit isnt high at all

So, in response to Sorcs regularly critting for 1.2k in Cyrodil, you link an irregular PVE crit?

ItsRejectz

timidobserver wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

When nightblades who can crit for 6k like this, a sorc hitting at 1.2k crit isnt high at all

So, in response to Sorcs regularly critting for 1.2k in Cyrodil, you link an irregular PVE crit?

Nothing irregular about it...And sorcs can hit for 1.2k because they put all stats into spell crit chance and spell damage. My shard hits for 1.2k and i have 52.5 crit chance with 130 spell damage. Even though it hits hard, its still no way near the highest dps due to the casting time

shanersimms_ESO

I realize the OP said blocking was off-topic but.... it really isn't. As a Sorc who primarily heals I run up against straight DPS sorcs all the time and I use the same exact tactics. Anytime a crystal shard is incoming I parry. It doesn't matter if they get the insta cast, the travel time of the spell allows it to be parried. Anyone failing this maneuver needs to work on reaction time.

If they use Velocitous curse, just purge (efficient purge morph). This ability is available to anyone. What happens is all this Sorc burst is mitigated and they eventually go oom faster than you run out of stam, and then I turn the fight back on them. I charge up Crystal Shards and if I see a parry I cancel and just keep light attack +poison arrow with my bow for example.

Sorcs SHOULD be allowed to burst like this if players don't take the opportunity to utilize the built-in defensive mechanics of the game. I'm sorry but anyone complaining about sorc burst in pvp really needs to come to terms with the fact they need to L2P and parry/interrupt. If you stand there trying to 1v1 toe-to-toe a burst class and don't use any defense you deserve to get turned to a pile of ash. There are so many coutners to this kind of burst. Annulment, Immovable, Purge, Venom Arrow or Crushing shock for interrupts, etc. etc. etc.

shanersimms_ESO

Snit wrote: »

Jarnhand wrote: »

Problem with ESO is it breaks the normal logic in MMOs:
Casters = soft but hard hitting targets
they can have just as much HP and armor as any other class if they choose to.

Nope on the HP and Armor. To maximize damage, a sorc needs to be magicka-heavy and be wearing 7/7 Light Armor. Their spell resist will be close to the hardcap, but armor and hit points will not be tankworthy.

You can make a tanky sorc -- you can pop in Bound Armor (takes two slots) and one or two shield/ ward spells, but now you don't have enough slots to actually kill anything. Nobody good does this. Instead, they rely on short-term buffs (e.g., the wonderful Immovable).

Sorcs also suck at stealth. If you've ever hunted with a medium-armor wearer, they have numerous, significant advantages in the hiding game. Yes, anyone can hide in place. But the leather clad are more mobile when doing so.

Or do what I do and enchant your jewelry with Armor Ench. The V12 Legendary enchants for armor on jewelry add 600 armor per... I have more armor than spell resist in 7/7 light. Spell res around 2k and armor around 2.2k...

shanersimms_ESO

Oh also, dumping all your attribute points into Health (49) and then enchanting all your normal gear with +Magicka and with food buff you will be overcharged on both Magicka and Health in 7/7 light... along with the aforementioned overcharged armor and spell resist values.

timidobserver

ItsRejectz wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

When nightblades who can crit for 6k like this, a sorc hitting at 1.2k crit isnt high at all

So, in response to Sorcs regularly critting for 1.2k in Cyrodil, you link an irregular PVE crit?

Nothing irregular about it...And sorcs can hit for 1.2k because they put all stats into spell crit chance and spell damage. My shard hits for 1.2k and i have 52.5 crit chance with 130 spell damage. Even though it hits hard, its still no way near the highest dps due to the casting time

Your response proves the issue. When your best defense to a PVP complaint is to link a PVE crit, you have are really scraping the bottom of the barrel for a defense lol.

I have never seen or heard of a 6k NB crit in Cyrodil.

ItsRejectz

timidobserver wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

When nightblades who can crit for 6k like this, a sorc hitting at 1.2k crit isnt high at all

So, in response to Sorcs regularly critting for 1.2k in Cyrodil, you link an irregular PVE crit?

Nothing irregular about it...And sorcs can hit for 1.2k because they put all stats into spell crit chance and spell damage. My shard hits for 1.2k and i have 52.5 crit chance with 130 spell damage. Even though it hits hard, its still no way near the highest dps due to the casting time

Your response proves the issue. When your best defense to a PVP complaint is to link a PVE crit, you have are really scraping the bottom of the barrel for a defense lol.

I have never seen or heard of a 6k NB crit in Cyrodil.

Well then it's pretty safe to say you are an idiot

Beldorr

timidobserver wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

When nightblades who can crit for 6k like this, a sorc hitting at 1.2k crit isnt high at all

So, in response to Sorcs regularly critting for 1.2k in Cyrodil, you link an irregular PVE crit?

Nothing irregular about it...And sorcs can hit for 1.2k because they put all stats into spell crit chance and spell damage. My shard hits for 1.2k and i have 52.5 crit chance with 130 spell damage. Even though it hits hard, its still no way near the highest dps due to the casting time

Your response proves the issue. When your best defense to a PVP complaint is to link a PVE crit, you have are really scraping the bottom of the barrel for a defense lol.

I have never seen or heard of a 6k NB crit in Cyrodil.

The NB video required stacking multiple reapers mark for weapon damage bonus. The addon just shows the most recent stack of reapers. Each stack lasts 30s he had 4 when he killed the mob putting him well over weapon/spell cap.

In addition to the reapers marks stacks, Getting death stroke to 250% bonus damage then relying on the non-combat stealth crit opener to hit a marked mob with ~50 armor.

Death stroke no longer gets the stealth critical bonus any more and you can't roll multiple reapers mark buffs either. These were nerfed a long time ago. Probably shortly after that video was posted if i recall. I used to use death stroke quite a bit while leveling to vr10 just for the free mob kill.

AlexDrago

Rylana wrote: »

You can spam crystal if you get the proc multiple times in a row. Ive had up to 4 in a row on my sorc.

Sorry for asking, but ... do you really have a sorc?
See no sorc in you underline signature.
And I never saw CF proc by itself.

KBKB

Already canned him in the post bro

AlexDrago

And i forget to say, that it's all of BE haters want.
You want to fight sorc, you don't want him or her to BE from battle - you got it.
So why to complain? Stand and die like a man.

apostate9

Black-Bird wrote: »

Kirsika wrote: »

Sorc shards hit me for over 1k, nerf!
NB stealth skills hit me for over 1k, nerf!
DK reflected my shards for over 1k, nerf!
Temblar blazing shield hit me for over 1k, nerf!

Am I doing it right?

Just sounding like a jack ass really.

No, he had it right. You sound like a jackass.

KBKB

apostate9 wrote: »

Black-Bird wrote: »

Kirsika wrote: »

Sorc shards hit me for over 1k, nerf!
NB stealth skills hit me for over 1k, nerf!
DK reflected my shards for over 1k, nerf!
Temblar blazing shield hit me for over 1k, nerf!

Am I doing it right?

Just sounding like a jack ass really.

No, he had it right. You sound like a jackass.

Because I wasn't condescending or rude to a player who clearly has less of an understanding of the game than most of this forum?

Your logic is flawless.

eliisra

Dunno, I never have problems with sorcerers playing templar. But than again, I guess temp is like the perfect counter against pure casters. Also think some of it is due to sorcs being very predicable.

I use Harness Magicka do gimp their spells, keep blocking or pop Immovable, Eclipse (if I have it slotted) and they cant dmg me at all. Than stun them with spear. Invasion if I'm using shield.

But yes, like 80% will blink away after that and never come back. I cant say I'm beating sorcs consistently, I'm surviving them jumping me without getting to sweaty lol.

Crystal Fragments need to proc to be even remotely scary. The 1.3 casting time allows you to do a lot of things to stop them.

More afraid of getting jumped nightblades to be perfectly honest. Their unbreakable stuns combined with sneak dmg and execute, sometimes kills me before I get a single skill of. I dont even know how they do it.

Jaxom

ItsRejectz wrote: »

When nightblades who can crit for 6k like this, a sorc hitting at 1.2k crit isnt high at all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euqUpGz8fww

This video is outdated. He mentions that you can stack Reaper's Mark's buff. This is how he was getting his crit so high. The buff's stacking was changed in the 1.2 patch. Please understand what you are posting before you do it.

InvictoNZ

Rebind your block button to something you use all the time... like ALL the time.

OrangeTheCat

"How do sorcs hit so hard?"

We work out.

Morticielle

griszax wrote: »

Crystal fragment got cast time btw It's not like u can spam 3 crystal fragments in 1 s

3 in 1 sec no, but 3 in 4 sec yes. Don't forget that Crystal Fragments has a 35% chance of an instant proc. So the first and the third cast can be procs and the second ist casted normally with another instant cast your choice in between. And believe me, 4 sec is fast enough, because after first hit you will be on the ground 2.4 sec.

Snit wrote: »

If you're having trouble beating Crystal-Fragment sorcs, here's the easy method to beat them about 90% of the time:

- Reroll Dragonknight
- Use Reflective Scale a lot
- Have good mana pots

The other 10% are the ones smart enough to run from you.

Alternatively, use a bow and spam Venom Arrow. Smart sorcs will be able to manage this, as they don't hardcast Crystal very often. Most sorcs, however, will die mystified at the fact their favorite spell doesn't work

Yes, you will get the dumb ones with that. But you can be shure that Reflective Scales will get a nerf in the future. A cooldown of 10 sec would be realistic or they will cost 50% more magicka if you use them inside 5 sec of the last use. This would actually be poetic justice to all the DKs who cried for a nerf of Bolt Escape, because they couldn't crowdcontrol bolt escapers to death like they do with all other classes.

Morticielle

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

"How do sorcs hit so hard?"

We work out.

Actually some take Viagra (R). Not me, of course.

Pancake-Tragedy

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Well then it's pretty safe to say you are an idiot

Show a video or a pic of any NB pulling off a 6.3k crit in pvp. Until then, GTFO, PvE numbers are irrelevant to this discussion.

griszax

You are talking like it's easy to get 3 proc's in a row I had 1 vs 1 fights where I got no procs at all. Nightblades can do much better burst damage and no1 is even talking about it. Today my friend killed me almost instantly from stealth ... Thats a nightblade without a lucky procs Every1 can break out of the stun of crystal fragment and then proceed with their spell reflect / heals / stealth to avoid more damage. There are nightblade builds out there that can do over 2k dmg with attack from stealth and then instant another . Try avoiding that It's so easy to avoid /mitigate sorcerer burst damage just try a bit harder

Kiljaz

Jarnhand wrote: »

maczcoobb16_ESO wrote: »

i usually crit in the high 800s or low 900s with my crystal fragments.

The answer and the problem is right there! Meaning Sorcs 2-3 shot almost anything from range. Plus in this game any class can stealth, so this is why Sorcs are OP in PvP, and bolt escape to get away if they cannot 2-3 shot someone.

A Sorc with detect stealth potion is a better assassin then NBs.

It looks like you think crystal fragments gets damage bonus from stealth. It doesn't if you think it does.

2200 magicka, +39 spell power from jewlery, and 2/2 cycle of life resto passive will give you 1100-1200 dmg crits.

Pancake-Tragedy

griszax wrote: »

You are talking like it's easy to get 3 proc's in a row I had 1 vs 1 fights where I got no procs at all. Nightblades can do much better burst damage and no1 is even talking about it. Today my friend killed me almost instantly from stealth ... Thats a nightblade without a lucky procs Every1 can break out of the stun of crystal fragment and then proceed with their spell reflect / heals / stealth to avoid more damage. There are nightblade builds out there that can do over 2k dmg with attack from stealth and then instant another . Try avoiding that It's so easy to avoid /mitigate sorcerer burst damage just try a bit harder

1. Nightblades have a spell reflect? Lol...
3. Lately it has been a 50/50 chance of CC breaking out of crystal fragments for me.

Personally, I don't have a problem with how hard sorcerers hit...but why are people bringing up nightblades and lying about what they are able to do?

nukeyoo

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

griszax wrote: »

You are talking like it's easy to get 3 proc's in a row I had 1 vs 1 fights where I got no procs at all. Nightblades can do much better burst damage and no1 is even talking about it. Today my friend killed me almost instantly from stealth ... Thats a nightblade without a lucky procs Every1 can break out of the stun of crystal fragment and then proceed with their spell reflect / heals / stealth to avoid more damage. There are nightblade builds out there that can do over 2k dmg with attack from stealth and then instant another . Try avoiding that It's so easy to avoid /mitigate sorcerer burst damage just try a bit harder

1. Nightblades have a spell reflect? Lol...
3. Lately it has been a 50/50 chance of CC breaking out of crystal fragments for me.

Personally, I don't have a problem with how hard sorcerers hit...but why are people bringing up nightblades and lying about what they are able to do?

Perhaps educate yourself on skills available to all classes?
esohead.com/skills/28727-defensive-posture

Pancake-Tragedy

nukeyoo wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

griszax wrote: »

You are talking like it's easy to get 3 proc's in a row I had 1 vs 1 fights where I got no procs at all. Nightblades can do much better burst damage and no1 is even talking about it. Today my friend killed me almost instantly from stealth ... Thats a nightblade without a lucky procs Every1 can break out of the stun of crystal fragment and then proceed with their spell reflect / heals / stealth to avoid more damage. There are nightblade builds out there that can do over 2k dmg with attack from stealth and then instant another . Try avoiding that It's so easy to avoid /mitigate sorcerer burst damage just try a bit harder

1. Nightblades have a spell reflect? Lol...
3. Lately it has been a 50/50 chance of CC breaking out of crystal fragments for me.

Personally, I don't have a problem with how hard sorcerers hit...but why are people bringing up nightblades and lying about what they are able to do?

Perhaps educate yourself on skills available to all classes?
esohead.com/skills/28727-defensive-posture

Sure. Besides, if the sorc is any good he will be animation cancelling light/heavy attacks with the crystal frag, so the odds of reflecting it are slim.

Soloeus

thomaswinkworthb16_ESO wrote: »

I made a post recently about getting hit for 1.2k from Crystal Fragments, now today I'm getting hit for 700 from Votaile Familiar? That's 4000 Magicka... It's not just a one off lucky hit either like Blazing Shield, I was getting hit by the same guy for 700 quite alot

I have 2000 Spell Resist

Note: Don't reply off topic like telling me to block or dodge

1. Use Blocking or Roll Dodge. They are in the game for a reason. If you can't be bothered to learn to play then don't bother commenting. You don't get to choose the feedback your threads get.

mb1995b16_ESO wrote: »

-2 spell power rings
-2200 magicka
-resto staff with full health
-7/7 light armor
-20% additional spell penetration with mundus stone and staff enchantment
result: 900-1100 crits, 700-750 non crit

with potions and combat prayer:
1200-1400 crits, 800-900 non crit... gg ^^

Along with Critical Surge which increases weapon power and Inner Light for more spell critical chance.

leandro.800ub17_ESO wrote: »

Meanwhile doing the same but with stamina i cant hit for more than 400 dps

Get the Stamina version of the Warlock Set, that will help for starters. Get some armor pieces that reduce Stamina Cost of abilities. Then take that ability that gives you weapon power increase for 20 seconds and spam AOE from that weapon, its not that hard.

Oh wait, you don't have any of that! It seems like you need to identify the synchronicity between each skill, enchant, trait, mundus stone and piece, and ask why your vocation doesn't have its own version.

Sorcerer is fun to play, so a lot of people like it. Should we nerf AD players because they are the popular faction? Your argument says yes. By your logic we should hard cap the number of AD players that can log into a campaign based on the DC/EP players already logged in.

Instead you should ask for your passives to have better synch with the weapons and abilities in the game. If every class were nerfed to your build nobody would play. If they were buffed to sorcerer, everyone would be happy.

Pancake-Tragedy

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