Is it supposed to be ok for two sides to take turns at emperor and help each other farm AP...

GunemCleric

I would have thought it would be highly discouraged for say EP and AD to openly and obviously work together to pass the Emperor back and forth, crowning new emps, abdicating, for others... I mean this would fit into nearly every definition of exploit I can think of.

The leave the walls down for each other. My guildmates have reported twice killing a member of one side and inexplicably having a group of the other side show up...

It is bad enough to not be able to play with fps, shards, cc issues, and brilliantly destroyed play mechanics, but contending with these people exploiting the just makes it worse.

nukeyoo

ZoS has a different view point on the word exploit.

A punishable exploit is the abuse of bug or glitch in the system for ones own benefit that the creators did not intend. Whether it be abusing terrain exploit to get into a factions spawn or abusing the mail or bank system to duplicate items for gold. Still ZoS picks and chooses between these rather daintily when it comes to enforcing actual punishment.

The exploiting your referring to is all within the rules of their game. The shady tactics of pulling people up on keep walls or putting keeps over siege limit with useless siege is all within the rules of the game. Therefore they are too afraid to do anything about it which is saddening since its been going on for months now.

Other games like Warhammer Online enforced account suspensions and bans for people that purposely farmed each other or helped each other take objectives even though people were doing it within the games rule set.

There are many faults throughout ZoS and ESO; some they are working on while others not so much. Which is sad. Warhammer was a great game but its poor management lead to its downfall. ESO is a good game with potential for greatness, but a lot of signs have it pointing in the wrong direction.

GunemCleric

They have made the claim that they consider it an exploit to farm alts. I would think that this would be well within that same band of cheating...i mean exploiting. If one side does not repair a keep then it is helping the other side. I did not like it when the guild who use to be on the server would throw EP a bone by not fixing the walls of one of the keeps. but this whole passing all the castles back and forth is crap.

Oh look another Emperor, imagine that that must be the 10th today.

Columba

Stop being such a busy body. Mind your own business.

GunemCleric

I would say it was my business, this is mine and my guiild's home campaign. the other 2 sides are polluting the leaderboard with their exploiting. So [snip] and *mind your own business*.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

r_rupe_ESO

Must be on the same server as I am. AD and EP have been swapping emperor all day for the last few days since the campaign reset. I am playing EP and it's really making it impossible to do anything.

They do all that you stated and more, they even run with each other, AD and EP running across the zone in a pack and not fighting each other. Then if anyone puts up a fight people from your own side tell you to stop and let them take the keep you are on.

They need to either eliminate the emperor skill line, make it only work if you are actually the current emperor or have something like an hour cool down on taking a keep. Maybe you can only crown one new emperor every few days or something. Something to take away the incentive to flip the already to easy to take keeps.

If the kids are going to be idiots some grown ups need to step in.

The only way I can play out there now would be to make a guild of 50 or more players and single handedly take back, rebuild, and hold all of the keeps in the area 24 hours a day. Since it seems like the entire server is participating on this scam, that kind of drastic action would be needed.

Is this how Cyrodil was intended to be? If not someone please take note and do something. RvR is where I intended to spend all of my higher end levels. I am hoping this is something that the powers that be here have a plan to fix at some point. If not and this is completely acceptable I would like to know now. Can save myself a ton of time and just head out now if this is what RvR is here.

Everything I have seen with this game so far says they know about the problems and are fixing them so I am hoping this is one of the fixes on its way.

Gatlan

You talking about Skullcrusher? I hate it when people game the system. Reminds me of Warhammer online, when people would run around flipping keeps while avoiding fighting each other.

GunemCleric

Thank you @r_rupe_ESO we are on Volendrung (or would be).

I think we just had 2 more Emperors...

I just want to add that our guild has rule against us sharing campaign homes across alliances to prevent this kind of stuff from even being considered.

Pathfinder

Just wanted to confirm that in Volendrung elements of EP and AD are working together. I and another guildmate witnessed two AD and three EP running together. Castles are being left with walls down. I wont bother playing in Cyrodil until the incentive for this behavior is fixed. Who wants to fight a guild made up entirely of former Emperors with the added skill set associated with it.

dcincali

Yes, Skull Crusher is where the current emp farming is.. I know for a fact as some twit was advertising it in one of my guilds.. He was shunned rather quickly. The majority of the population doesn't take kindly to this action. Sad though, this new emp farming guild is rather a nobody, they require that in order to get in the guild you have to give them your comp specs/graphics card info and internet speed. LOL.. Please.. You want my GS and Achievs too.. GJ on getting Emp nerfed damn nobodys...

Tintinabula

Too bad all the honest ppl didn't pick the same alliance.For real.

lotharlocnar_ESO

So now it's no doubt farmer groups playing characters for owners of those accounts that pay the farmer companies for leveling...etc. Warhammer banned me because I had 2 acct's, currant and paid up I was fighting my own toon which was not fighting back, another player saw me not fighting back and reported me. They called it cross realming. However if I called my real life friend Fred and told him to let my toon kill his and then I'd let him kill me that'd been ok...WTF? So yes, this game will go down like WAR and I have no more interest in it. I have stopped playing and will never play it again.Simply because this is a very ignorant way to run a game. If multiple toons allow another bunch of toons gain a keep or whatever, that definitely is NOT in the idea of the history of Skyrim/Oblivion...etc.I feel the keep conquest is fine but there is no way to keep this co-op from occurring as long as they are different ip addresses I guess.This needs fixed or removed for PvP players to continue enjoyment of this part of the game.

galiumb16_ESO

I do not think ZOS is enforcing anything.

By email I asked them if they were punishing players for abusing the geometry/shrines to get into opposing bases. They told me they cant tell me because they have to protect their privacy.

Given that no specific player was mentioned I have no idea who's privacy they were protecting, but I think it was just a lame excuse to cover the fact that the answer was no.

It is my opinion that we should post about all these things and encourage everyone to abuse it as much as they possibly can. ZOS doesn't care and only when it creates massive amounts of disruption and damage will they bother to fix things.

No point reporting people or bugs, just post it online so everyone can join in on the abuse.

SBR_QuorTek

That is why it should be a random top 500 person that get it, and only one can be emperor once per campaign.

Raffle random system would give most people a chance... maybe with a 72 hour abdication system, so if not detroned by other faction another random top 500 person will be the next emperor.

GunemCleric

The random sounds like a good idea, time limits too. Of course by the time they get around to doing something there will be a couple former emp guilds.

And another, new Emp...

And another report of AD and EP fighting side-by-side to keep DC from taking a castle...

nukeyoo

It's kinda humorous with all the folks with former emperor buffs pleading that the buffs are not significant. Knowing that the folks, with the buffs, think this should make the decision to remove them pretty straightforward. Thus removing the main incentive for emp swapping. Yet ZoS's silent vigil on the subject remains.

Tintinabula

I wonder if "former emps" on our side who are Lieutenants like me(or lower) can feel my toon glaring at them?

TheGrandAlliance

Until former emperor's stat bonuses are removed... the imbalance of this game will continue...

GunemCleric

And 2 more Emp, 2 more earlier as well. I am thinking we are at 20+ Emperors today at least that I have seen

GunemCleric

He is an idea. In order to get Emp skill someone should have to be Emp for 1-2 hours, and in order to keep it and be former Emp you should have to be Emp for say 1 week or maybe min 4 days (that can accumulate over multiple times as Emp). Everyone who has not held Emp for more than <reasonable time> hours since the campaign switched should have former Emp removed and leaderboard set to negative for the obvious farmers.

I do not think there is anything wrong with peeps having former emp, if they legitimately earned it. i would hate to see it removed just because a few cheaters, i do not have former Emp, but i had planned to work toward it this campaign

Tintinabula

I think a certain PvP rank needs to be reached..prefect or "sumthn"

TheGrandAlliance

Tintinabula wrote: »

I think a certain PvP rank needs to be reached..prefect or "sumthn"

...well that would mean like, the 10 people in game who has that many AP totaled up so far, would be only Emperors therefore...

Tintinabula

well then something lower..I mean if you've worked that hard to get that high...you deserve it..so...

Columba

why do you care what others do? mind your own business and let others do what they want. nothing is preventing you from killing either one of them. sheesh you are like Gladis Kravitz from Bewitched.

TheGrandAlliance

Columba wrote: »

why do you care what others do? mind your own business and let others do what they want. nothing is preventing you from killing either one of them. sheesh you are like Gladis Kravitz from Bewitched.

@Columba‌

...You would care more if you had the proper understand as to how this situation is "pandemic".


As I have posted on my own thread (EU DAWNBREAKER)... Emperorship farming has lead to mass exodus of player population from otherwise healthy servers; thus destroying otherwise functioning communties, ruining the game for everyone. Whether you like it or not: This issue effects you.

Rylana

Its simple really. We... kill the bat man.


What I mean is, if you dont like emp farms, simply accumulate more AP than they have, and guess what, the next time it flips youll be able to stop them.

TheGrandAlliance

Rylana wrote: »

Its simple really. We... kill the bat man.


What I mean is, if you dont like emp farms, simply accumulate more AP than they have, and guess what, the next time it flips youll be able to stop them.

...that is what happened on my server and guess what happened. Server population goes byebye


Unfortunately no real solution to this problem other then to nuke the emp passive alas...

Columba

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

why do you care what others do? mind your own business and let others do what they want. nothing is preventing you from killing either one of them. sheesh you are like Gladis Kravitz from Bewitched.

@Columba‌

...You would care more if you had the proper understand as to how this situation is "pandemic".


As I have posted on my own thread (EU DAWNBREAKER)... Emperorship farming has lead to mass exodus of player population from otherwise healthy servers; thus destroying otherwise functioning communties, ruining the game for everyone. Whether you like it or not: This issue effects you.

Umm, no it doesn't. Simply move to another server, lol. Or gather up enough players and go kill them. It's quite simple.

TheGrandAlliance

Columba wrote: »

Umm, no it doesn't. Simply move to another server, lol. Or gather up enough players and go kill them. It's quite simple.

1. You cannot simply "move to another server": A community is not transplantable.
2. Hard to do when everyone has left.

Columba

Lol, I moved to another server twic relief

Gatlan

Plus, you'd need 3x as many people to stop the BS. I was with a DC group of 20 on Skullcrusher earlier today and when we went to attack an emp keep when it was AD's turn to have them EP came up behind us after we passed the outer wall. We were attacked on both sides with aoe spam, AD poured out at the same time EP came from behind, as if they were all using the same teamspeak. I think most of the DC group finally gave up on Skullcrusher.
I'm looking forward to the campaign changes, but many will still have an undeserved past emp.
/edit: And no they didn't attack each other after we were all dead.