"no marked safe Zones in Cyrodiil"

Gilvoth

Tega_ wrote: »

2 Days ago i was killed by what i reported as an exploiter...
He killed me right at the Wayshrine in the Cyrodiil starter Area.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RwhQjdZ-zI

I was under the (false?) Impression that this Area is "safe" and no enemy player can get there by legal means......

Guess i was wrong, since this is the response i got after reporting the Player as an Xploiter:

Hey Michael


Our PvP zones do not have marked safe zones. Player should always be on the look out for the enemy as it is possible to be attacked from everywhere


Thank you for your continued interest and support!

Warm Regards,

Mark

The Elder Scrolls Online Team

wow ...
whats going on with zenimax devs?

Bloodvax

This is the kinda response that is KICK ASS from ZOS. Gonna sub for a year now. Thanks Mark your my hero

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

The entry areas in Cyrodiil are designed to be safe. Enemy players are not intended to be able to get there.

Nijjion

Well obviously somehow they are jumping up there or getting pulled up.

You need to put guards along the boarder who do 1000000 damage if they even step in the 'safe zone'. It even adds a disadvantage for spawn campers on servers who are dominating and pushed up that far.... If they get pulled up insta dead... fun for all haha.

2 birds 1 stone. Simple fix.

Tega_

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

The entry areas in Cyrodiil are designed to be safe. Enemy players are not intended to be able to get there.

Incident: 140619-001083

Then please advice your Support Staff AND BANN the Player.....

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Bloodvax wrote: »

This is the kinda response that is KICK ASS from ZOS. Gonna sub for a year now. Thanks Mark your my hero

Because clearly on a system with horrible lag and long loading times it makes sense to allow someone to be killed even before they appear in the zone in their client.

Either you're being ironic, in which case fine, if you're serious then it's sad.

Kalanar Highwatch

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Bloodvax wrote: »

This is the kinda response that is KICK ASS from ZOS. Gonna sub for a year now. Thanks Mark your my hero

Because clearly on a system with horrible lag and long loading times it makes sense to allow someone to be killed even before they appear in the zone in their client.

Either you're being ironic, in which case fine, if you're serious then it's sad.

He was mocking the response from "Mark" at ZOS because it was a generic statement that didn't take into account the specific question he asked and wasn't even particularly accurate.

Armitas

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

The entry areas in Cyrodiil are designed to be safe. Enemy players are not intended to be able to get there.

@Zos_JessicaFolsom This is happening right now at northern morrowind gate, wabbajack. There are several DC players here trying to kill people that log in to cyrodill. I have sent an official report as well including all of their names.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

Armitas wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

The entry areas in Cyrodiil are designed to be safe. Enemy players are not intended to be able to get there.

@Zos_JessicaFolsom This is happening right now at northern morrowind gate, wabbajack. There are several DC players here trying to kill people that log in to cyrodill. I have sent an official report as well including all of their names.

The same Zeni rep has said in another thread that this kind of behaviour is not exploiting so don't waste your breath.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Armitas wrote: »

@Zos_JessicaFolsom This is happening right now at northern morrowind gate, wabbajack. There are several DC players here trying to kill people that log in to cyrodill. I have sent an official report as well including all of their names.

We're aware and working on a fix, @Armitas. Please see our v1.2.3 known issues post for the list and updates.

Armitas

Awesome. Thanks Jessica!

quakedawg_ESO

There is one Sorc from DC porting over and over in to EP northern gate. Worst player on this planet but sure knew how to exploit. I'll keep his name within the guild as a running joke. Gave us a solid chuckle. Thanks!

Adrastes

sounds like exploit using ganker. every game have those. their real life is so miserable they feed on strife they can cause to someone in videogame.

Rylana

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

The entry areas in Cyrodiil are designed to be safe. Enemy players are not intended to be able to get there.

Jessica, for those who are exploiting this right now though, can you get a GM/CSR in game to put a stopgap fix in place until the patch hits?

This is pretty severe for those that PvP. Even a small presence would deter most of the problem.

Just have one log in and post some global thing in big red text saying its not acceptable behavior and so on and its sure to stop in the meantime.

The reason people are exploiting it so heavily is because they believe ZOS isnt going to enforce its own in game rules, they are being smug about it.

A little social persuasion outside of the "anonymity of the forums" would go a long long way.

Perphection

When a player dies, they have the ability to choose their next spawn location. The players being camped can simply spawn at a castle they own.

Those of you dying, are choosing to do so. If you don't enjoy fighting us up here, just spawn elsewhere?

Bloodvax

Perphection wrote: »

When a player dies, they have the ability to choose their next spawn location. The players being camped can simply spawn at a castle they own.

Those of you dying, are choosing to do so. If you don't enjoy fighting us up here, just spawn elsewhere?

Give this man a cookie, he just won the internet

KerberosSoldier

Perphection wrote: »

When a player dies, they have the ability to choose their next spawn location. The players being camped can simply spawn at a castle they own.

Those of you dying, are choosing to do so. If you don't enjoy fighting us up here, just spawn elsewhere?

Except if you are pushed back where you don'thave any keeps and there is exploiters at both sstarting spawn areas.

Perphection

This is not currently the case. EP has multiple locations at which they can spawn. These players are choosing to fight, and are even camping forward camps that have been placed.

These players are ENJOYING having small scale battles! Actually participating in PvP rather than zerg warfare.

Bloodvax

KerberosSoldier wrote: »

Perphection wrote: »

When a player dies, they have the ability to choose their next spawn location. The players being camped can simply spawn at a castle they own.

Those of you dying, are choosing to do so. If you don't enjoy fighting us up here, just spawn elsewhere?

Except if you are pushed back where you don'thave any keeps and there is exploiters at both sstarting spawn areas.

You ALWAYS have another place to spawn. Its called the Southern morrowind gate

Rylana

My god, DC, stop making excuses for your BS.

Perphection

Rylana wrote: »

My god, DC, stop making excuses for your BS.

You could have simply left your base, and joined the Zerg. Why didn't you go out your front gates to where the rest of DC was waiting to camp you?

Do you think that maybe, just maybe.. you stayed in your base because you enjoyed what was going on?

Rylana

Perphection wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

My god, DC, stop making excuses for your BS.

You could have simply left your base, and joined the Zerg. Why didn't you go out your front gates to where the rest of DC was waiting to camp you?

Do you think that maybe, just maybe.. you stayed in your base because you enjoyed what was going on?

Im not even there, im a mostly AD player as well. My little level 32 alt is on the shelf while I vet level up my templar.

My part in all of this is that on observation this whole ordeal has really shown the true colors of our PvP community, and it makes me sick. Are you all children?

Just saying.

Perphection

We are PvPer's who enjoy skilled gameplay, and small scale fights. In it's current state, Cyrodiil does not provide these things.

1. Cyrodiil is massive Zerg vs. Zerg with little to no skill involved.
2. Cyrodiil currently has massive problems with FPS where even if you choose to participate in these large fights, you fall below a 10 FPS threshold from which you cannot recover from, unless you restart your client.
3. The "true colors" of the PvP Community is not black and white, there are many colors to this spectrum.

It seems that we don't fit into the same category, which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion, and if you want to go run around with the zergs, and spam your auto heals, or impulse.. go for it and I hope you enjoy EVERY moment of your PvP experience!!

Rylana

Perphection wrote: »

We are PvPer's who enjoy skilled gameplay, and small scale fights. In it's current state, Cyrodiil does not provide these things.

1. Cyrodiil is massive Zerg vs. Zerg with little to no skill involved.
2. Cyrodiil currently has massive problems with FPS where even if you choose to participate in these large fights, you fall below a 10 FPS threshold from which you cannot recover from, unless you restart your client.
3. The "true colors" of the PvP Community is not black and white, there are many colors to this spectrum.

It seems that we don't fit into the same category, which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion, and if you want to go run around with the zergs, and spam your auto heals, or impulse.. go for it and I hope you enjoy EVERY moment of your PvP experience!!

Actually Aldmeri Vice is a group of guys from other games that specialize in Arena/Battlefield style PvP. Once that mechanism is in place we will gladly accept your challenge.

In the meantime you can usually find us on BT, AB, or Wabba in a small ganksquad destroying people that are trying to get back to the zerg. Weve had some great small scale fights, too, hell I dont even care that we lose some on occasion, it can and does happen.

But dont assume, mate. Never ever assume who youre pointing a finger at.


A typical night for us, however, usually goes like this:

1. We find a nice spot between a forward camp and the big fight.
2. We kill a few people, sometimes small groups of 2-3 or so.
3. Someone must have cried in your zone chat.
4. 20 guys show up and wipe the 5 of us out (sometimes 4 of us, sometimes just me)
5. Proceed to be corpsecamped by said 20 guys.
6. Restart somewhere else.


Its par for the course, the DC zerg exists same as any other faction, its rarely a "small scale fight" for when the OPFOR loses, rest assured they will come back with at least 2-1 numbers in their favor.

Perphection

Well, then considering we just created hours of small scale combat without camping Transitus Shrines or Wayshrines, AND made a point NOT to interfere with those who did NOT want to participate in our PvP,...you should be advocating the desires of not only yourself but also your guildmates for small scale combat.

Halrloprillalar

Perphection wrote: »

We are PvPer's who enjoy skilled gameplay, and small scale fights. In it's current state, Cyrodiil does not provide these things.

1. Cyrodiil is massive Zerg vs. Zerg with little to no skill involved.
2. Cyrodiil currently has massive problems with FPS where even if you choose to participate in these large fights, you fall below a 10 FPS threshold from which you cannot recover from, unless you restart your client.
3. The "true colors" of the PvP Community is not black and white, there are many colors to this spectrum.

It seems that we don't fit into the same category, which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion, and if you want to go run around with the zergs, and spam your auto heals, or impulse.. go for it and I hope you enjoy EVERY moment of your PvP experience!!

Spawn camping is skilled gameplay??? hahahahahahaha

Perphection

Rylana wrote: »

Perphection wrote: »

We are PvPer's who enjoy skilled gameplay, and small scale fights. In it's current state, Cyrodiil does not provide these things.

1. Cyrodiil is massive Zerg vs. Zerg with little to no skill involved.
2. Cyrodiil currently has massive problems with FPS where even if you choose to participate in these large fights, you fall below a 10 FPS threshold from which you cannot recover from, unless you restart your client.
3. The "true colors" of the PvP Community is not black and white, there are many colors to this spectrum.

It seems that we don't fit into the same category, which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion, and if you want to go run around with the zergs, and spam your auto heals, or impulse.. go for it and I hope you enjoy EVERY moment of your PvP experience!!

Actually Aldmeri Vice is a group of guys from other games that specialize in Arena/Battlefield style PvP. Once that mechanism is in place we will gladly accept your challenge.

In the meantime you can usually find us on BT, AB, or Wabba in a small ganksquad destroying people that are trying to get back to the zerg. Weve had some great small scale fights, too, hell I dont even care that we lose some on occasion, it can and does happen.

But dont assume, mate. Never ever assume who youre pointing a finger at.


A typical night for us, however, usually goes like this:

1. We find a nice spot between a forward camp and the big fight.
2. We kill a few people, sometimes small groups of 2-3 or so.
3. Someone must have cried in your zone chat.
4. 20 guys show up and wipe the 5 of us out (sometimes 4 of us, sometimes just me)
5. Proceed to be corpsecamped by said 20 guys.
6. Restart somewhere else.


Its par for the course, the DC zerg exists same as any other faction, its rarely a "small scale fight" for when the OPFOR loses, rest assured they will come back with at least 2-1 numbers in their favor.

*Yawn* Wall of text, I don't care what you do. I don't care how you PvP. Keep this on topic.

Rylana

Perphection wrote: »

Well, then considering we just created hours of small scale combat without camping Transitus Shrines or Wayshrines, AND made a point NOT to interfere with those who did NOT want to participate in our PvP,...you should be advocating the desires of not only yourself but also your guildmates for small scale combat.

Theres a difference between meeting a small OPFOR who is already out in the field, grouped, and watching out for attacks than waiting for some poor sucker to load in (not even out of loadscreen yet) and getting killed by oil and volcanic rune before he is even able to move his toon.

Big difference. My playstyle actually welcomes someone that can shoot/stab me back, unlike whats being advocated in these threads.

Rylana

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Perphection wrote: »

We are PvPer's who enjoy skilled gameplay, and small scale fights. In it's current state, Cyrodiil does not provide these things.

1. Cyrodiil is massive Zerg vs. Zerg with little to no skill involved.
2. Cyrodiil currently has massive problems with FPS where even if you choose to participate in these large fights, you fall below a 10 FPS threshold from which you cannot recover from, unless you restart your client.
3. The "true colors" of the PvP Community is not black and white, there are many colors to this spectrum.

It seems that we don't fit into the same category, which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion, and if you want to go run around with the zergs, and spam your auto heals, or impulse.. go for it and I hope you enjoy EVERY moment of your PvP experience!!

Spawn camping is skilled gameplay??? hahahahahahaha

ikr? I am still trying to figure out how someone can claim they are some kind of great pvper because they are doing this.

Perphection

No claims, were made. Now you're making assumptions. *sigh* People like you who interject on topics they are not involved in. You said it yourself... YOU WERE NOT THERE. You don't know what we were doing.