There is 0 reasonable excuse to be against duels.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

Literally there is no reasonable excuse.

"People will harass me with spamming duel request".
They can already do that with trade, party and guild invite.

"People will complain for balance"
People already do that.

"E-peen"
Emperor and trial times already do "e-peen"

"I don't want the devs working on a feature me myself will not use"
I shouldn't even have to explain this one.

Xnemesis

I don't want tards dueling in the city... give them a forum that I can make bets and Im all in... also im for arenas just make sure I watch, cheer, and bet as well as don't offer any rewards to the contestants besides bragging rights.

Rylana

The aesthetics of two grown men with avatars wearing bathrobes beating each other over the head with glowing baseball bats in front of the most populated trade hubs in the game while animation canceling to make the whole thing look herky jerk, is not a visual feature some could handle with a straight face for long.

Checkmate.

>_> May not be jedi doolz in Star Wars Galaxies, but the point is still valid as all hell.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

^ people can already annoy the hell out of you by acting like they are dueling in the city, another unreasonable excuse.


"Omg ZOS people are spamming spells in cities please don't let people use spells"

Rylana

To be fair spellspam in cities/non combat intended locations really should be disabled.

BTW, defining the word "reasonable" by your own personal definition of the such does not make it so.

Nox_Aeterna

While i dont have anything against duels , only against arenas , people that keep saying people will complain about balance like they do now are either new to the genre or just dont understand nothing about how balance works at all.

Let me then explain the most basic thing about balance , it deppends on how you fight , so the balance needed for an arena or for a 1x1 PvP fight , is not the same we need for the current content.

So for example , in arenas that are small and limited in space , there was a much smaller chance people would have complained about BE.

Anyway , duels would be fine , as long as they gave 0 rewwards and were made just for fun. And i mean 0 rewards , be it achivs or anything else.

Now arenas/BGs should wait until zen can add them like GW2 , where they are in a different space with items/balance made for them only.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

AvA balance is just AoE spam who cares.

If you have played ESO competitive in Cyrodill you run AoE bar and restoration staff bar, oh yeah and the constant oil drops

Duels would inspire arena tournament guilds

Rylana

Actually in Cyrodiil I run gank bar and escape bar, but who cares.

Cart before the horse on 1v1 translating directly in small group tournaments btw. If anything 1v1 actually reduces co-op.

dodgehopper_ESO

A place to test your abilities and combos, and sort them out with another player is actually very useful. Knowing exactly what your abilities do helps to refine yourself for massive pvp where it matters. As long as dueling serves no actual purpose, I think it would go a long way to helping increase knowledge about how things function (or fail to function) in game. This includes abilities that are broken. I'm for dueling as long as it does not have any achievements or special rewards attached to it. The same could be said for Arenas. I like the idea of being able to playtest ideas.

Starshadw

Keep it confined to an arena area (put an arena in the Imperial City when it opens up, and let folks head in there and queue for gladatorial-style fights of 1v1 and 4v4), let other folks bet on fights and sit in the stands and watch, and I'm all for it.

However, I do NOT want duels and fights taking place out in PvE areas. Keep it confined to Cyrodiil.

quakedawg_ESO

You listed a bunch of excuses. Just because you don't agree with these excuses does not make them unreasonable. They are all not only quite reasonable but valid.

We get it, you want duels. Many do not. Nobody needs to justify their reasoning.

Nox_Aeterna

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

AvA balance is just AoE spam who cares.

If you have played ESO competitive in Cyrodill you run AoE bar and restoration staff bar, oh yeah and the constant oil drops

Duels would inspire arena tournament guilds

The kind of PvP cyrodiil is about has much less to do with the skill of a single player in a fight , just like a war has has much less to do with the skill of a single soldier in shooting.

You dont enter the battlefield and hope to fight 1x1 or that you will kill everyone else , that is dumb.

BUT the skill of the commander on the other hand , is much more important.

So in cyrodiil , leading you guild and telling them where to be what objectives to win ... matters more than the individual skill of one guy on the whole raid.

It is in theory the kind of PvP zen said they would focus on , so it should not amaze anyone if they never add arenas at all.

With that said , even if they do plan to add them , it should be like GW2 , which made items with all stats equal and had different balance for arenas/BGs and the rest of the game.

frwinters_ESO

Its kind of funny cause you gave examples of why not to and just compared it to other ways people can get annoyed. So your title is wrong, there is reasons that are related to other already in game issues.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

It's hilarious how none of them are proving me wrong they are just responding with blank

"well your wrong because we say so".

Don't comment if you can't give a reasonable excuse.

I can give a perfect reasonable excuse as to why dying shouldn't make you lose items, you guys can't give me one for duels because there is none.

strongoakb14a_ESO

I AGREE people should be able to duel in one city per faction inside an arena (like the ones in reapers). No place else and no invites outside them. You go inside an arena and it puts you in line. You fight one person after another until you loose, then someone else takes over champion and you exit. Going back in line is up to you

Halrloprillalar

strongoakb14a_ESO wrote: »

I AGREE people should be able to duel in one city per faction inside an arena (like the ones in reapers). No place else and no invites outside them. You go inside an arena and it puts you in line. You fight one person after another until you loose, then someone else takes over champion and you exit. Going back in line is up to you

ew this sounds a lot more tedious than simple duels.

Duels are fine and possibly helpful (there is always trolls and epeen, nothing much will change). Arena is a completely different basket of worms

Leesha

The only way I would be ok with this is if they had an option to auto block requests. I do not want to be subject to the little epeen strokers who infest populated areas literally harassing players with duel requests.


They have dueling in the game already, it's called pvp and it takes place in designated areas.

Samadhi

Leesha wrote: »

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They have dueling in the game already, it's called pvp and it takes place in designated areas.

Uh, no.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

First thing a lot of people do when they get in MMO is see if they can duel, how to mail and emotes are actual animations

CheesyDaedra

Didn't i see some nords on a tavern from ES:V fighting with their bare fists against each other to show their rudeness? Hell, ESO does the same many times with the only difference being that the fights are scripted quest events.

You even see fire and ice mages dueling out in the open!

Dueling IS a part of this game and it would make it so much better for those who wish to roleplay (Really, who wouldn't want to get themselves on a fist fight?).

Don't want to duel?, just disable requests from the menu (and that's the very logical thing to do, i'll quit this game if Zen doesn't do that if they ever implement this feature).

Butcherboy

Actually the arena should be under the control of one of the Daedric Princes, rather than in Cyrodiil. Definitely not in regular PvE areas. It should be something like throwing down a gauntlet, and when the offer to duel is accepted, the combatants are sent off to a special place where they get cheered on by a crowd. It would be even better if the crowd of players could judge the combat unworthy like a Roman gladiatorial arena.

CheesyDaedra

Butcherboy wrote: »

Actually the arena should be under the control of one of the Daedric Princes, rather than in Cyrodiil. Definitely not in regular PvE areas. It should be something like throwing down a gauntlet, and when the offer to duel is accepted, the combatants are sent off to a special place where they get cheered on by a crowd. It would be even better if the crowd of players could judge the combat unworthy like a Roman gladiatorial arena.

EDIT: NVM

It would be cool to see Malacath kidnap some mortals and making them fight each other to gain his favor and the final prize of surviving :P

Maybe they could make a mages guild quest that gives access to his Daedric Arena.

indytims_ESO

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Literally there is no reasonable excuse.

"People will harass me with spamming duel request".
They can already do that with trade, party and guild invite.

"People will complain for balance"
People already do that.

"E-peen"
Emperor and trial times already do "e-peen"

"I don't want the devs working on a feature me myself will not use"
I shouldn't even have to explain this one.

LOL.

SO, just because there are other methods for some of the above activities, that justifies adding more in?

"They can already do that with trade, party and guild invite".

So, you think it's cool creating ANOTHER way to annoy people is a 'good thing'? I think your definition of 'reasonable' is kinda... well... UNreasonable.

With your logic....

"People already do drugs, might as well make it legal."

"People already kill other people, might as well make it legal."

People not wanting the devs to waste time working on this feature, when there are hundreds of FAR MORE important issues to work on? FAR more reasonable than your desire to play 1v1 PVP.

Sorry... I don't agree with any part of your post, really, and of course generic definitives like 'Well, there is no reasonable excuse, period,' just makes you sound like a ***, to be honest.

TheGrandAlliance

Here is a reason not to have duels:


1. Time: Takes too much time for developers to program. Game broken as it is.

2. Lag: Do you want massive lag in random PvE zones due to spamming of players combat actions?

3. Roleplay: Want big fights in a quiet city? No....



BTW the /duel request above is a reasonable excuse. /duel spam in WoW is crazy in some areas (case in point Goldshire). People don't usualy /trade spam.

MrGhosty

I would like to see the arenas that already exist in-game be put to use for some additional content for those who have played through the quest line.

On balance I think I would prefer something similar to the arena in Oblivion where you trigger solo or two person matches against NPC enemies that get stronger as you progress. Once you have completed a tournament bracket you would then have the option to duel other players.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

indytims_ESO wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Literally there is no reasonable excuse.

"People will harass me with spamming duel request".
They can already do that with trade, party and guild invite.

"People will complain for balance"
People already do that.

"E-peen"
Emperor and trial times already do "e-peen"

"I don't want the devs working on a feature me myself will not use"
I shouldn't even have to explain this one.

LOL.

SO, just because there are other methods for some of the above activities, that justifies adding more in?

"They can already do that with trade, party and guild invite".

So, you think it's cool creating ANOTHER way to annoy people is a 'good thing'? I think your definition of 'reasonable' is kinda... well... UNreasonable.

With your logic....

"People already do drugs, might as well make it legal."

"People already kill other people, might as well make it legal."

People not wanting the devs to waste time working on this feature, when there are hundreds of FAR MORE important issues to work on? FAR more reasonable than your desire to play 1v1 PVP.

Sorry... I don't agree with any part of your post, really, and of course generic definitives like 'Well, there is no reasonable excuse, period,' just makes you sound like a ***, to be honest.

Your comparison is skewed because my reasonsing are things that are perfectly legal but because it's a different context you believe it should be illegal.

"omg people can spam party, trade and guild invite, but if that word is duel instead it is 100000x times worst. "

If you honestly are against duels you are probably an idiot that is against gay marriage that effects you in 0 way, the same way duels will effect you in O way if you don't participate.


"Omg those people are dueling infront of me I'm so angry"
"Look at that gay couple in love, They shouldn't be able to express there relationship in public"

cjmarsh725b14_ESO

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

If you honestly are against duels you are probably an idiot that is against gay marriage that effects you in 0 way, the same way duels will effect you in O way if you don't participate.


"Omg those people are dueling infront of me I'm so angry"
"Look at that gay couple in love, They shouldn't be able to express there relationship in public"

Are you kidding? How on earth do you get from ESO duels to being against gay marriage?

Bloodvax

The WOW plebs dont want competitive pvp they just want the skill points and easy AP from zerging everyone

Shaun98ca2

I think the best reason NOT to have dueling in the game is simply due to the fact that the game isn't balanced for it.

Once you start dueling you start finding "issue" that you want resolved.

But the "issue" your find doesn't matter in the grand scheme of the game where its meant to be played cooperatively or in PVP with MANY people around and not just 1-1.

There is already complaints in the game about stuff people simply just don't understand. Dueling just adds more fuel to the flames. We simply DONT needed it.

Zintair

Without dueling we have no REAL way to confirm abilities are bugged and yell at ZOS. You can still roll other alliance and test etc but 99% of people won't do that.

frwinters_ESO

Zintair wrote: »

Without dueling we have no REAL way to confirm abilities are bugged and yell at ZOS. You can still roll other alliance and test etc but 99% of people won't do that.

There is a real way. PvP. Same thing. How many bugs are reported just from PvP alone? Lots.