Wabba EP.... So dissapoint...

dcincali

Good Job exploiting the Scroll of Alma Ruma from Rayles to the gate of Chim.. Don't worry... No one saw a thing.

Gaettusk

Someone guests over from Auriel's Bow and does that so you blame an entire faction for the actions of one... What do you want to do? Votekick them from campaign? Oh wait, we can't do that.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

I'm on wabba, what exactly happened?

Gaettusk

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm on wabba, what exactly happened?

Some *** guested over from AB and used an exploit on EP side- It's the same old for AB, but it's the first time it's been done on Wabba

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

Oh... So this is just one of those threads where people point and blame. Gotcha

Okspaghetti

I thought it was going to be a threat to expose the bug so everyone in the game can enjoy it like the memorable caltrops and invincible mages? Time will expose it, question is. How swiftly can the GM's act to remove it?

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

Well I don't know what it is, don't want to know either. It'd be better not to spread it at all.

Thechemicals

I was on that voice chat spying, they exploited and they said "w/e, its allowed".

Okspaghetti

lol spy... I don't know whats worse, exploiting or spying.

Thechemicals

Okspaghetti wrote: »

lol spy... I don't know whats worse, exploiting or spying.

spying is allowed, might want to read up on the rules ....or just read the alliance section description....

CosmicChaos

Taking your scrolls, sounds like a sound argument for an exploit being used. Here is a map of Cyrodiil, please show us where the exploit touched you. And yes I should take this more seriously, but it's hard when you should have just reported this in-game and through email. Hell pm someone like @ZOS_JessicaFolsom. Instead half the forum community is googling how to do this so they can ruin the game for others. So you better hope it isn't an exploit. Cause if it is Congratulations you are helping propagate the problem.

themizario

What is it? I guess I could go to AB and watch it happen for myself, or now Wabba. Is there a way to defend/stop this till devs do something?

Lord_Draevan

Reminds me of the times AD was carrying a Scroll on Wabba, suicided in water and respawned at eastern Elsweyr Gate still carrying Scroll, bypassing all our defenses.
Or the times DC players used an EP alt to pull-chain an entire raid group over the walls and then into the inner keep so they could cap the keep without sieging it.

A few people using an exploit doesn't mean the entire faction is automatically all guilty.

Oh, and what was ACTUALLY said in EP zone chat when one person said "w/e, it's fine" was several people saying "If anyone does that again they're getting kicked from group and reported. Don't cheat."

Alephen

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Or the times DC players used an EP alt to pull-chain an entire raid group over the walls and then into the inner keep so they could cap the keep without sieging it.

brilliant tactic. and it is being a traitor, just like spying. i.e. pretending to be an ally. how can one be ethically ok and the other not?

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

Alephen... I feel like I'm following you topic to topic... lol

One is using and gather information, the other is allowing raid groups to capture keeps and such by pulling enemy factions on the wall purposely . One is using skills/game mechanics in an unintended way, the other is just gathering information.

Tintinabula

AD thinks of every place to take the scroll and drop it to reset it so so no one else can pick it up EXCEPT the keep. "Oh lets take the scroll to disney world..Im taking the scroll to the bathroom..how bout this mountain here?...oh look we can drop the scroll in the water"

We learned that ninja scroll trick from AD!!

Lord_Draevan

I would have no problem with traitors that pull-chain troops over the walls if we could kill them, but we can't. They're invulnerable to us. We SEE them doing it but have no way to stop them.

Same for traitor alts that carry their factions' Scrolls to the enemy players. Can't kill them, can't do anything to stop them.

Halrloprillalar

Tintinabula wrote: »

AD thinks of every place to take the scroll and drop it to reset it so so no one else can pick it up EXCEPT the keep. "Oh lets take the scroll to disney world..Im taking the scroll to the bathroom..how bout this mountain here?...oh look we can drop the scroll in the water"

We learned that ninja scroll trick from AD!!

Maybe this was at the start of the campaign. Not since I started playing.
The few times I've been on Wabba where my group nabbed the scroll and didn't immediately hoof it to a home keep was when we felt like trolling and farming AP (good times at that mountain top, thanks all). The scroll didn't become "immune" or stuck or anything like that.
I don't see how that's 'exploiting' anything other than PuG zerg stupidity.

Alephen

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Alephen... I feel like I'm following you topic to topic... lol

One is using and gather information, the other is allowing raid groups to capture keeps and such by pulling enemy factions on the wall purposely . One is using skills/game mechanics in an unintended way, the other is just gathering information.

one is using a toon of an opposing faction to help gain an advantage in cyrodiil in an unintended way. the other is using a toon of an opposing faction to help gain an advantage in cyrodiil in an unintended way. (if spying on chat is intended, why have seperate chats?) enemy infiltraters have never let troops in?

the fact is they are absolutely the same. cant kill the traitor letting them up, cant kill the traitor feeding information.

self justification. everyone thinks what they do is ok. else they wouldnt do it. even if they know they are cheating - the dupers said 'pfft, everyone is doing it' or 'i am teaching zenimax to write better code!'

Baphomet

I have actually seen this myself. The scroll gets picked up a temple and seconds later it is deep within enemy territory. I have no idea how the cheat/exploit is being executed though.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

Alephen wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Alephen... I feel like I'm following you topic to topic... lol

One is using and gather information, the other is allowing raid groups to capture keeps and such by pulling enemy factions on the wall purposely . One is using skills/game mechanics in an unintended way, the other is just gathering information.

one is using a toon of an opposing faction to help gain an advantage in cyrodiil in an unintended way. the other is using a toon of an opposing faction to help gain an advantage in cyrodiil in an unintended way. (if spying on chat is intended, why have seperate chats?) enemy infiltraters have never let troops in?

the fact is they are absolutely the same. cant kill the traitor letting them up, cant kill the traitor feeding information.

self justification. everyone thinks what they do is ok. else they wouldnt do it. even if they know they are cheating - the dupers said 'pfft, everyone is doing it' or 'i am teaching zenimax to write better code!'

Their 'base' is the same (Using a toon of an opposing faction to help home faction), I don't disagree, it's the severity of them that's the issue. Think of it like how various substances are illegal: Some are virtually a slap on the wrist and non-punishable, while others have sever punishments while they're both just "consuming/possessing illegal substances".

One of them really isn't that big of a deal, the other is.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

Chat spies are every bit as bad as DK-chain traitors, caltrop exploiters and other hacks/cheats etc. It's just not in the spirit of the game. There is no "spy" mechanic. There's no danger or countermeasure. It's a straight up cheat.

But from what I've seen in PVP that's how half the people get their rocks off - exploiting and cheating. The sole purpose of some people in this game seems to be to avoid, at all costs, intended rules of engagement and game mechanics and find loopholes/exploits. Like this "stealth rez" bug everyone is demanding people do in zone chat. I don't even know how to do it or counter it (I assume you can't).

I just play by the rules and have fun. I deliberately avoid exploits couldn't care less if I die or if I'm "bad at pvp". It's quite therapeutic. You poor, troubled souls should at least give it a try. Take it one day a time. Try not cheating.. just for one day.. and see how you feel.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

The real issue, and what I think it comes down too, is that one of those is preventable. With chat spies you have options. You can use group chat, guild chat, teamspeak, or even just simple rally points on the map. You aren't forced to deal with them unless you use zone (or unless you get a spy in your group, but that is also avoidable).

DK's chain on the other hand, you have no way to stop. You can't kill them, can't ban them, and by the time you report them its too late, the damage is done.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

With chat spies you have options. You can use group chat, guild chat, teamspeak, or even just simple rally points on the map. You aren't forced to deal with them unless you use zone (or unless you get a spy in your group, but that is also avoidable).

It diminishes the value of the game for new players/solo players (with grouping lag and bugs it's really the best way to play for performance for many people). It discourages communication within the alliance and promotes mistrust.

Most of all... how damn boring must it be? How sad do you have to be to waste your own time spying in gamechat doing nothing so you can cheat for other people (or worse - actually pay 15 bucks a month to cheat)? It's no different to DK chain-pullers. No better, no worse. A cheat is a cheat.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

With chat spies you have options. You can use group chat, guild chat, teamspeak, or even just simple rally points on the map. You aren't forced to deal with them unless you use zone (or unless you get a spy in your group, but that is also avoidable).

It diminishes the value of the game for new players/solo players (with grouping lag and bugs it's really the best way to play for performance for many people). It discourages communication within the alliance and promotes mistrust.

Most of all... how damn boring must it be? How sad do you have to be to waste your own time spying in gamechat doing nothing so you can cheat for other people (or worse - actually pay 15 bucks a month to cheat)? It's no different to DK chain-pullers. No better, no worse. A cheat is a cheat.

I agree, but I'm going with the assumption that the people doing the spying and DK chains don't care if others enjoy the game.

dcincali

Well if EP feels the need to exploit scrolls to win, AD will just take all of your keeps and you can get 2nd place instead of 1st.. #morningwin

Cody

what exploit is this? I never heard of this.

Alephen

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

With chat spies you have options. You can use group chat, guild chat, teamspeak, or even just simple rally points on the map. You aren't forced to deal with them unless you use zone (or unless you get a spy in your group, but that is also avoidable).

It diminishes the value of the game for new players/solo players (with grouping lag and bugs it's really the best way to play for performance for many people). It discourages communication within the alliance and promotes mistrust.

Most of all... how damn boring must it be? How sad do you have to be to waste your own time spying in gamechat doing nothing so you can cheat for other people (or worse - actually pay 15 bucks a month to cheat)? It's no different to DK chain-pullers. No better, no worse. A cheat is a cheat.

I agree, but I'm going with the assumption that the people doing the spying and DK chains don't care if others enjoy the game.

ok, i know now not to consider your posts, you are apparently arguing for the sake of arguing. first talking about how spying is ok, now saying you agree it has the same effects as pulling up.

with regard to the OP and the porting with the scroll: report and move on. the person that exploited will not be shamed by this post, he obviously doesnt care or he wouldnt have cheated. nig message when someone picks up the scroll, so should have been obvious who cheated.

Morticielle

Okspaghetti wrote: »

lol spy... I don't know whats worse, exploiting or spying.

Well, lets ask Keith Alexander, former chief of the NSA, this question. He has some experience with that kind of things.

bitaken

I have no idea how it works - how it is done - or what kind of person you have to be to so"w/e it's allowed"

The exploit did the following: 1) They picked up the scroll and ran it to Rayles which they still controlled. 2) One guy dropped it and another guy picked it up. 3) Then all of a sudden the guy who picked it up was across the map and at the northern gate with the scroll 3) He proceeded to place the scroll in a keep controlled by EP.

The thing is - we had Dragonclaw back and Ales captured - so they would have had to run south and around to get it home. With all the AD on that time of the morning there was little chance they would get it home either north or south eastern path - so they cheated.

IDC that much about scrolls in this campaign. They change hands so often in this campaign really is w/e. But - the fact that people would think that's ok - well - that's not OK.

I bug reported it and took a screenshot of where the scroll carrier was with the scroll. One can only hope they fix it.

Halrloprillalar

Baphomet wrote: »

I have actually seen this myself. The scroll gets picked up a temple and seconds later it is deep within enemy territory. I have no idea how the cheat/exploit is being executed though.

If I were to guess, they might be using /stuck with the scroll?
Or PVE dying with the scroll on their back (there are ways to kill yourself without even being in combat, via potions and skills).
I don't understand why that doesn't drop the scroll though... definitely some bug.