Former emperorship & Underpopulation

Daiju

Hello!

The current emperorship system drives people to do things that have a negative impact on the game as a whole. I spent 20 hours a day for a week doing scouting missions earning my own emperorship on Celarus because there were no players.

The entire Celarus campaign along with all underpopulated campaigns has turned into one huge joke and the former emperor status has no point apart from the permanent buffs whatsoever. Something is wrong when even PvE players have to get to a point in PvP in order to perform well in PvE.

I'm asking of you to re-look into this whole emperorship design; a good solution in my book would be to remove the emperorship passives alltogether for former emperors and just leave them with the title, this way people could feel more relaxed pvping and playing their alts. The game is enjoyable, the pvp is absolutely amazing, but this thing is single-handidly ripping guilds apart and making people quit the game.

Thanks in advance,
Hope you will look into this,
Former Empress Tigrau

PS. One of the many things wrong with the current AvA system is underpopulation; I believe some splitting of the more overpopulated campagins and disabling guesting in those would be of benefit to make the player starving campaigns come to life.

Gisgo

Daiju wrote: »

The current emperorship system drives people to do things that have a negative impact on the game as a whole. I spent 20 hours a day for a week doing scouting missions earning my own emperorship on Celarus because there were no players.

Joins an underpopulated campaign, farms emperorship for a week with pve quests, complains about underpopulated campaigns.

I really dont know what to say.

Daiju

Gisgo wrote: »

Joins an underpopulated campaign, farms emperorship for a week with pve quests, complains about underpopulated campaigns.

I really dont know what to say.

A certain amount of the playerbase feels forced to do this in order to stay competitive against other former emperor groups on other campaigns. This is the outcome of a flaw in the game design.

Gisgo

A certain amount of the playerbase should stick to single player games, and anyone becoming emperor through scouting quest should be dethroned with dishonor.

Daiju

Gisgo wrote: »

A certain amount of the playerbase should stick to single player games, and anyone becoming emperor through scouting quest should be dethroned with dishonor.

You do understand that there are hundreds of people who gained their emperorship status this similar way and even worse ways? There is no honor, there is no glory - there are only the permanent buffs on your character. Which is the exact reason I'm pleading for their removal and only the standing emperor should have buffs.

Gisgo

Daiju wrote: »

You do understand that there are hundreds of people who gained their emperorship status this similar way and even worse ways?

You do realize they all suck?

Daiju

Gisgo wrote: »

Daiju wrote: »

You do understand that there are hundreds of people who gained their emperorship status this similar way and even worse ways?

You do realize they all suck?

I was gonna say this is highly irrelevant, but in a way it's more relevant than any of your other replies; This current system awards time invested in a way that doesn't have anything to do with PvP or gaming prowess. This is nothing new in mmorpgs but the way the former emperorship works and the permanent standing buffs it grants force people to go to these lengths in order to acquire the benefits.

Gisgo

Daiju wrote: »

This current system awards time invested in a way that doesn't have anything to do with PvP or gaming prowess. This is nothing new in mmorpgs but the way the former emperorship works and the permanent standing buffs it grants force people to go to these lengths in order to acquire the benefits.

You are right, and you are also one of the players that exploited the system to acquire the benefits.

Daiju

Gisgo wrote: »

Daiju wrote: »

This current system awards time invested in a way that doesn't have anything to do with PvP or gaming prowess. This is nothing new in mmorpgs but the way the former emperorship works and the permanent standing buffs it grants force people to go to these lengths in order to acquire the benefits.

You are right, and you are also one of the players that exploited the system to acquire the benefits.

If your definition of exploiting the system is grinding AP by scouting missions then yes, I guess I am. But enough about your opinions of me or other people who 'exploited' the system in this manner, the real problem is that not only the system allows for this to be done; but also forces a part of the playerbase to do so.

Gisgo

No the system does not force you. If it did, everyone would do the same, but this is not the case.

In fact, only a small minority of losers is farming scout missions to get emperorship; the vast majority of us is just playing the game.

Daiju

Gisgo wrote: »

No they dont force you. If they forced you, everyone would do it, but this is not the case.
In fact, only a small minority of losers is farming scout missions to get emperorship.

You are forced by others doing the same thing; you can't beat a premade of former emperors without having some yourself. As I said this is a flaw in the system. And I said they force a part of the playerbase; I was referring to competitive, hardcore players. Not everyone takes this game seriously enough to care about these kind of things.

PS. And since you seem caught up on the scouting part, just to let you know it's highly exaggerated and inserted there to get attention on the things that MATTER. There was some proper PvP on peak times.

PPS. How was I supposed to know upon joining that the campaign would be what it is, I just knew I wasn't gonna catch up to that 10 mil point lead in my main campaign and wanted to try getting emperor elsewhere.

Gisgo

Hardcore players look for enemies to fight.
You are mistaking hardcore players with nerds.

Gisgo

Daiju wrote: »

PS. And since you seem caught up on the scouting part, just to let you know it's highly exaggerated and inserted there to get attention on the things that MATTER. There was some proper PvP on peak times.

Ah so you did pvp from time to time? GJ, empie.

Daiju

Gisgo wrote: »

Daiju wrote: »

PS. And since you seem caught up on the scouting part, just to let you know it's highly exaggerated and inserted there to get attention on the things that MATTER. There was some proper PvP on peak times.

Ah so you did pvp from time to time? GJ, empie.

I really hope you're not naive enough to think that not every single emperor on campaigns apart from Dawnbreaker and Auriel's Bow have to do this same thing.

Gisgo wrote: »

Hardcore players look for enemies to fight.
You are mistaking hardcore players with nerds.

Good, your personal opinion is now duly noted. Shall we get back into emperorship design and campaign population now?

Gisgo

Sure, lets get back at it.
Please fix it so players like the OP cant exploit the system again and become emperor by scouting resources.

This is the only thing we can agree on.

Daiju

Gisgo wrote: »

Sure, lets get back at it.
Please fix it so players like the OP cant exploit the system again and become emperor by scouting resources.

This is the only thing we can agree on.

Good now we're talking. And in my mind the only way to get a proper fix to quest farming and 'non honorable pvp' is to fix underpopulation and/or remove the ex-emperorship buffs alltogether. As long as scouting missions are there they are part of PvP progression whether you like it or not. And if one we're to remove scouting missions, then people would form small teams and farm resource quests - there has to be a more permanent fix.

fyendiarb16_ESO

I didn't even know that you kept the passives after being dethroned from being emperor. Tbh this has to be one of the more stranger decisions Zenimax made, at least in my opinion. Let the emperors keep their bonus for as long as they keep the title, lose the title, lose the bonus. I'd rather not see nothing but former emperors roaming around, even from a RP perspective it makes no sense whatsoever.

On a side note since I am clearly in the dark about some things regarding pvp: does only the emperor/former emperor give you a bonus which they get from the passives shown in the skill menu and the rest just the titles or do you also get a small buff the higher your pvp rank gets?

Affrayer

Daiju wrote: »

Gisgo wrote: »

No they dont force you. If they forced you, everyone would do it, but this is not the case.
In fact, only a small minority of losers is farming scout missions to get emperorship.

You are forced by others doing the same thing; you can't beat a premade of former emperors without having some yourself. As I said this is a flaw in the system. And I said they force a part of the playerbase; I was referring to competitive, hardcore players. Not everyone takes this game seriously enough to care about these kind of things.

PS. And since you seem caught up on the scouting part, just to let you know it's highly exaggerated and inserted there to get attention on the things that MATTER. There was some proper PvP on peak times.

PPS. How was I supposed to know upon joining that the campaign would be what it is, I just knew I wasn't gonna catch up to that 10 mil point lead in my main campaign and wanted to try getting emperor elsewhere.

Who is holding the gun? No one is forced to do this. They choose to.

It is a logical choice to make to stay competitive with others who are doing it. Tis true. It's also a dishonorable choice. You can't honestly tell me this was the way the game was meant to be played; and you admit that it isn't. This is exploiting.

Don't make excuses for these people.

On another note, why nerf it all together? If you work hard enough to get emperor legit, then you should get something for it. Make it so former emperor buffs only apply to the server in which they got crowned.

Dleatherus

nobody forces anybody to cheat or exploit

that's down on the individual

only you are responsible for your actions and reactions

'but officer, everybody else was kicking the guy and stealing money from his wallet - i was forced to do it to make sure i had as much spending power as everybody else - i'm innocent i tell ya' - lol - too funny

D.

Daiju

Dleatherus wrote: »

nobody forces anybody to cheat or exploit
that's down on the individual

only you are responsible for your actions and reactions

'but officer, everybody else was kicking the guy and stealing money from his wallet - i was forced to do it to make sure i had as much spending power as everybody else - i'm innocent i tell ya' - lol - too funny

D.

Affrayer wrote: »

It is a logical choice to make to stay competitive with others who are doing it. Tis true. It's also a dishonorable choice. You can't honestly tell me this was the way the game was meant to be played; and you admit that it isn't. This is exploiting.

I said if you think doing scout missions are exploiting, then it's exploiting. What I ment is that playing the game and doing quests devs have put in there can hardly be classified as exploiting or even less so as cheating? If it isn't a way of how the game was ment to be played then something has to be done about it. All I'm trying to say here is that the system isn't working as it is.

Gisgo

Yes, after having exploited the system and got what you needed, you want it to be fixed.
We got it.

I would not only want the system to be fixed, but also emperorship removed from "scouts".
Give them an "elite scout" title, thats what they are.

Daiju

Gisgo wrote: »

Yes, after having exploited the system, you want it to be fixed.
We got it.

Which part of removing former emperor buffs didn't you understand?

Gisgo

Its not just about former emperor buff.
You should not be emperor in the first place.
You barely fought enemies.

Daiju

Gisgo wrote: »

Its not just about former emperor buff.
You should not be emperor in the first place.
You barely fought enemies.

First off I fought enemies every time they came into Celarus, after that I still had to make AP to climb the leaderboard? What else could I have done except scouting missions? As long as there are dead campaigns this will keep happening thousands of times over. Surely atleast now you get what I've been trying to say all along? Show me a single person who likes to do scouting missions? It just has to be done on certain campaigns if you want the title and that's the whole issue.

Affrayer

Daiju wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

nobody forces anybody to cheat or exploit
that's down on the individual

only you are responsible for your actions and reactions

'but officer, everybody else was kicking the guy and stealing money from his wallet - i was forced to do it to make sure i had as much spending power as everybody else - i'm innocent i tell ya' - lol - too funny

D.

Affrayer wrote: »

It is a logical choice to make to stay competitive with others who are doing it. Tis true. It's also a dishonorable choice. You can't honestly tell me this was the way the game was meant to be played; and you admit that it isn't. This is exploiting.

I said if you think doing scout missions are exploiting, then it's exploiting. What I ment is that playing the game and doing quests devs have put in there can hardly be classified as exploiting or even less so as cheating? If it isn't a way of how the game was ment to be played then something has to be done about it. All I'm trying to say here is that the system isn't working as it is.

I'm talking about people who are farming it. If there's a problem with the quests/scouting missions, I wouldn't know.

1nugam1

Don't hate the player. Hate the game.

- Former Empress Aquilon

KleanZlate

Apart from anything else, there is nothing in the world you should do for 20 hours a day for a whole week except keep breathing. You shouldn't read books that way, watch tv, exercise or just be fully conscious for such a duration.

1nugam1

Thanks for making unnecessary assumptions about how I am as a person. It warms my heart.

I support Daiju / Tigrau's point of view on the matter. They should do something about this. I followed the same pattern as Tigrau and had the title given to me the very same day as he.

I do NOT think it's right. However it felt necessary as getting emperor title on Dawnbreaker is, sorry to say, 100% impossible for any EP(except the emperor himself). Like Daiju stated above. It was done to stay competitive. Tbh with you I thought this campaign would be populated and interesting(perhaps with likeminded ppl), guess I was wrong. by likeminded ppl I mean ppl who saw a chance and took it.. and by having many likeminded ppl it could've turned out a bit more interested compared to the ghost town it was back when I played there.

[Moderator Edit: Removed quote from moderated post.]

Dleatherus

1nugam1 wrote: »

Don't hate the player. Hate the game.

- Former Empress Aquilon

i don't hate the game - i hate some of the mechanics in it that they are slowly realizing and fixing

i don't hate exploiters and cheats - they exist on every form and level of society since Grok and Gruk the cavemen envied each others caves

i hate exploiters and cheats justifying their sad and pathetic actions, telling those not exploiting and playing the game that THEY are ruining it for others lol

D.

Nevril

If you want someone who fought for beign Empress here you have it. I Fought all day at the new start of Celarus campaign and defended my title 'till 4 am in the night.

I agree with the OP about the system being broken. And as a software developer I also think that ZOS has to do something because it is how the programming works, if someone finds a way to "exploit" (and doing scout missions continuously isn't exploiting, is just a way to become incredibly bored -.-) the system, the system has to change FULL STOP.

About how it has to be changed we can discuss and propose, constructively as the OP was trying to do.

IMHO a better solution, also given the upcoming short-duration campaigns, would be:
- Leave the Former Emperor bonuses only for the duration of the campaign
- If you are out of Cyrodiil AND home campaign, no bonus applies
- Remove the skill points requirements so it is easier to reset the bonuses once the campaign ends
- Boost a little bit the former emperor bonuses
- While Emperor, earned AP aren't counted anymore in the leaderboard score so you guarantee some more Emperor rotation and fun
- Put a maximum amount of scouting missions per day

These are my 2 cents.

As for the rest of the posts I'm reading: Some people have to learn how to read before writing in here. I bet some of the flamers in this constructive post are the people who are doing cross-faction (DC and AD) agreement to get their useless 5% Ultimate Bonus RIGHT NOW, ruining everyones fun. (and be careful, I'm not saying it hasn't been done on the EP side too)

See ya,
Former Empress Lavinia Aioros (EU)

Gisgo

Everyone is agreeing this system needs to be changed, stop pretending you are being helpful to the community when yourself and players like you are the problem.