Is your guild bleeding members to Wildstar?

EQBallzz

I'm not an advocate for Wildstar. I have little interest in that game but I have seen an unsettling number of my guild melt away to that game. I don't think the game is better but it's highly polished so gives a much better impression for what is there and what is to come.

I'm just curious if others are experiencing the same thing. Might also explain why the veteran areas are looking more and more like barren wastelands devoid of players making it nigh impossible to complete anchors, world bosses and public dungeons.

wafffllesss

Wildstar looks so childish in my opinion, I had enough of these child games, that's why I left WoW.

BBSooner

I wish wildstar interested me. Not because I dislike ESO (on the contrary, I'm having a lot of fun in V+), but because I enjoy new experiences. After trying the beta I knew wildstar would be a pass for me, which is a shame, no hyped MMOs in the near future.

Worstluck

Tried the beta. Could be fun, but I don't care for the art style. Tbh I haven't really heard anyone talking about that game in any of my guilds.

Lalai

Honestly, the only people I know who went to Wildstar are folks I also happen to know are notorious for game hopping. They also played GW2, Neverwinter, Tera, and FFXIV for a few months before moving on... though they actually left ESO for Archeage, and are now leaving Archeage for Wildstar. They'll be moving to Star Citizen when that comes out and are already talking about The Repopulation.

Sanibel

Lalai wrote: »

Honestly, the only people I know who went to Wildstar are folks I also happen to know are notorious for game hopping. They also played GW2, Neverwinter, Tera, and FFXIV for a few months before moving on... though they actually left ESO for Archeage, and are now leaving Archeage for Wildstar. They'll be moving to Star Citizen when that comes out and are already talking about The Repopulation.

I can't stand the hopping anymore. It was ok for a bit after WoW because I felt like I was putting my feelers out with every game I tried. Nothing was quite as impressive as WoW. Well, Rift came close for me but things fell apart as usual when people started hopping.

But the thing that made WoW so great were the people I played with. You can find that in any game, but you wont find a game that will keep players glued with content alone.

So I came to ESO with a friend I know won't bail on me, and we're looking for a solid guild to join for the long haul.

Also, Wildstar is WoW in space, dispite their attempts to state otherwise. It's basically got the exact same graphics. Cool concept, and I might actually have subbed for it if I were 8 years old. I don't really understand what they were going for or who their target audience is.

Skillet

What is Wildstar, oh wait..is that the new animated cartoon series on the Saturday morning Nickelodeon Channel?

leandro.800ub17_ESO

WOW in Space no thx

ZiRM

4 choices are losing people and 1 is not losing people lol so basically add up the 4 against the total of the not losing people.

Kiash

I haven't noticed a drop in population after the release of Space-WoW. Besides, I already have cartoons I watch on the weekend.

Attorneyatlawl

wafffllesss wrote: »

Wildstar looks so childish in my opinion, I had enough of these child games, that's why I left WoW.

Hilarious, a game's graphical aesthetic doesn't make it childish bud. I think more than anything people have woken up to the fact that all the IMMERSION whiners got eso gutted from anything but a single player game feature wise, which it can't compete on as an mmo with actual single player games. Wildstar may not be ideal but it doesn't have this schizophrenic identity crisis with a nonexistent user interface and dps checking raids with no combat info provided to meet said requirements, people bashing for asking for basics like guild tags or zooming their camera out, and waving bye if someone dares mention that eso has a lack of features despite being fun. You are the perfect example of a toxic wow player. Good job.

Kiash

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

wafffllesss wrote: »

Wildstar looks so childish in my opinion, I had enough of these child games, that's why I left WoW.

Hilarious, a game's graphical aesthetic doesn't make it childish bud. I think more than anything people have woken up to the fact that all the IMMERSION whiners got eso gutted from anything but a single player game feature wise, which it can't compete on as an mmo with actual single player games. Wildstar may not be ideal but it doesn't have this schizophrenic identity crisis with a nonexistent user interface and dps checking raids with no combat info provided to meet said requirements, people bashing for asking for basics like guild tags or zooming their camera out, and waving bye if someone dares mention that eso has a lack of features despite being fun. You are the perfect example of a toxic wow player. Good job.

Good, go play your cartoons, the rest of us will a enjoy a game that isn't a carbon copy of WoW. It's kind of what we wanted, I don't need bright flashing lights and a wall of text to have fun. If you like a cumbersome interface, a mess of a quest log, zero immersion factor, and a game that can't even take itself seriously, then WildStar is a great choice.

Laura

I admit I cheated (so did a couple of my friends) we went and played it but we kept sneaking back to ESO.

ESO is a frustrating bugfest of a game but at its core its awesome. I appreciate that it isn't flashy silly cartoony.

I'm in a mega guild and we saw a ton of people go to wildstar but they are trickling back saying the same thing.

That clunky UI that WoW feel. ESO spoiled me and I simply cant go back.


Now ZoS fix your damn game and you will have a juggernaut.

Bangstin

leandro.800ub17_ESO wrote: »

WOW in Space no thx

Sigh, with this blanket statement. Wildstar doesn't feel the least bit like wow for me, if anything ESO gives me way more of a wow wibe with the similar fantasy setting.

Oh yes the poll,
My guilds were dead even before Wildstar released.

Dusty5

Do a net search for sales stats for mmo's for May. ESO was knocked out of the top 20 by watchdogs. Retailers online started discounting prices yesterday. To borrow a line from a move, Game over dude..Game over.

Kiash

Skillet wrote: »

What is Wildstar, oh wait..is that the new animated cartoon series on the Saturday morning Nickelodeon Channel?

It actually comes on Toon Disney at 8am Saturday morning. My 3 year old niece can't get enough of it.

Sanibel

Dusty5 wrote: »

Do a net search for sales stats for mmo's for May. ESO was knocked out of the top 20 by watchdogs. Retailers online started discounting prices yesterday. To borrow a line from a move, Game over dude..Game over.

I had no idea farts could be put into words.

Lalai

Sanibel wrote: »

Lalai wrote: »

Honestly, the only people I know who went to Wildstar are folks I also happen to know are notorious for game hopping. They also played GW2, Neverwinter, Tera, and FFXIV for a few months before moving on... though they actually left ESO for Archeage, and are now leaving Archeage for Wildstar. They'll be moving to Star Citizen when that comes out and are already talking about The Repopulation.

I can't stand the hopping anymore. It was ok for a bit after WoW because I felt like I was putting my feelers out with every game I tried. Nothing was quite as impressive as WoW. Well, Rift came close for me but things fell apart as usual when people started hopping.

But the thing that made WoW so great were the people I played with. You can find that in any game, but you wont find a game that will keep players glued with content alone.

So I came to ESO with a friend I know won't bail on me, and we're looking for a solid guild to join for the long haul.

Also, Wildstar is WoW in space, dispite their attempts to state otherwise. It's basically got the exact same graphics. Cool concept, and I might actually have subbed for it if I were 8 years old. I don't really understand what they were going for or who their target audience is.

I'm guilty of game hopping to an extent. I think my average MMO stay is around 6 months. The guild I'm speaking of I've been with for about 3 years now and every MMO is pretty much the same. Major hype before release, get in and rush to end game, start talking about the next big thing..sometimes there's more than one big thing. A few folks stay behind with each MMO cause they like it, but the bulk just keep jumping around. Which is actually the reason I didn't join their ESO chapter They're good people, I have them friended, and we talk on steam.. but they basically act like the forums for any game ever (minus a lot of the negativity, so I guess the pre-launch forums).

hk11

Needs a "I've already left for Wildstar" option.

The game released as a full MMO. Complete with dungeons that are fun and variations on dungeons called adventures and endgame raids.

PVP options: PvP servers with world pvp, Tiered PvP battlegrounds that you can level in, 2v2, 3v3, and 5v5 arenas, and player created 40 player "Warplots".

Classes that feel balanced and have a focus. Carbine does not wait to fix imbalances.

Totally customizable player housing, armor dyes, costumes etc etc.

The amount of features that actually work would take paragraphs.

What appear to be daily hotfixes. Carbine is not sitting around what so ever.

The cons with wildstar? The questing is sort of bad... But you feel compelled because you are actually trying to get somewhere. There are milestones that you "want" to reach. Not just endless questing for the sake of questing.

Lastly, it's just fun as hell. It starts out pretty slow, but once you get going it's really a great game.

If the only thing you can say is that it's cartoony or childish then you are missing the best MMO in a number of years.

HerbZula

hk11 wrote: »

Needs a "I've already left for Wildstar" option.

The game released as a full MMO. Complete with dungeons that are fun and variations on dungeons called adventures and endgame raids.

PVP options: PvP servers with world pvp, Tiered PvP battlegrounds that you can level in, 2v2, 3v3, and 5v5 arenas, and player created 40 player "Warplots".

Classes that feel balanced and have a focus. Carbine does not wait to fix imbalances.

Totally customizable player housing, armor dyes, costumes etc etc.

The amount of features that actually work would take paragraphs.

What appear to be daily hotfixes. Carbine is not sitting around what so ever.

The cons with wildstar? The questing is sort of bad... But you feel compelled because you are actually trying to get somewhere. There are milestones that you "want" to reach. Not just endless questing for the sake of questing.

Lastly, it's just fun as hell. It starts out pretty slow, but once you get going it's really a great game.

If the only thing you can say is that it's cartoony or childish then you are missing the best MMO in a number of years.

As an MMO, Wildstar, is much better then ESO.

ESO is just a way to play a seudo skyrim with your friends. Not what we were expecting saying this is an MMO. You should see the number of people that left ESO for wildstar in Zone chat there lol.

And yes, lol NCsoft is terrible with there questing systems all of their past games have been.

Coggage

"Don't know, couldn't care less" option is missing from the choices.

Cogo

The choice of Wildstar is nothing like ESO is missing.

Its like saying Eve is like WoW. 2 Completely different games with different themes.

To answer your question, our guild havnt "lost" anyone to Wildstar, because the way we recruit, we attract players who enjoy ESO...the WHOLE ESO.

I really wonder if a player who enjoys ESO, and plays is it in the long term, even would be remotly interested in Wildstar.

And that can be turned around as well. A player who is happy with Wildstar and that kind of game, why would they even be looking at a game like ESO?

2 Different things!

EQBallzz

Cogo wrote: »

The choice of Wildstar is nothing like ESO is missing.

Its like saying Eve is like WoW. 2 Completely different games with different themes.

To answer your question, our guild havnt "lost" anyone to Wildstar, because the way we recruit, we attract players who enjoy ESO...the WHOLE ESO.

I really wonder if a player who enjoys ESO, and plays is it in the long term, even would be remotly interested in Wildstar.

And that can be turned around as well. A player who is happy with Wildstar and that kind of game, why would they even be looking at a game like ESO?

2 Different things!

I think that may be true to a point but when you factor in features and bugs it gets less clear. I think there are likely lots of people who *would* prefer ESO but are fed up with bugs and lacking features so are considering (or have left for) Wildstar because it offers them more of what they expect from an MMO even if they don't particularly like the style or questing or whatever.

I felt the same about WoW. Coming from EQ I was not thrilled with how WoW looked (never liked the art style at all) but I was impressed with the game enough to play it and overlook the aesthetics for features and game play. I can see many people making similar choices with Wildstar if there aren't some big changes/improvements in ESO.

Exarch

Most of us played the Wildstar beta, and found it disappointing; a lot of nice touches, but too shallow, and too frenetic. It was funny, because I was really anticipating Wildstar, and then I couldn't get into it; I had no interest in ESO, never having played an Elder Scrolls game, but the beta really grabbed me.

Cogo

EQBallzz wrote: »

I think that may be true to a point but when you factor in features and bugs it gets less clear. I think there are likely lots of people who *would* prefer ESO but are fed up with bugs and lacking features so are considering (or have left for) Wildstar because it offers them more of what they expect from an MMO even if they don't particularly like the style or questing or whatever.

I felt the same about WoW. Coming from EQ I was not thrilled with how WoW looked (never liked the art style at all) but I was impressed with the game enough to play it and overlook the aesthetics for features and game play. I can see many people making similar choices with Wildstar if there aren't some big changes/improvements in ESO.

You know what, I agree.

The core of ESO is awesome. But they have lots of bugs/lag even to fix people being able to log in/play it.

I look in the long term. Bugs can and will be fixed. A bad game....is harder to fix.

But to the surprise among the mob against me on these forums, I agree with you. There probebly are a lot more players who wants to play ESO, but are tired of bugs.

I like it so much, because bugs are fixable.

Did you hear that everyone who calls me a ESO "fan boy", I said something not positive about ESO.

Cogo

Exarch wrote: »

Most of us played the Wildstar beta, and found it disappointing; a lot of nice touches, but too shallow, and too frenetic. It was funny, because I was really anticipating Wildstar, and then I couldn't get into it; I had no interest in ESO, never having played an Elder Scrolls game, but the beta really grabbed me.

There is an article just posted by a journalist who followed games, not just MMOs, but the game industrial for the past 20 years.

He had several very good points. 2 of the being the players are getting spoiled because the gaming industry is evolving and expanding in a very good way...very fast. So people expect more and more better things.

The other point he had was that players tend to mix all games into one bad.
Like saying WoW sucks because Grand thief Auto rocks.

Very interesting reading.

I worked in the IT world for soon 20 years, and in the early 90ies, the powerful computer system WAS the business section or goverment section.

Today technology, with the exception of a few niche parts, like the stockmarket, Banking sector, high end science lab, space development and giant calculator solutions, the IT technology is driven by the gaming industry.

Interesting....But for those who knows what types of computers are needed for regular work in most of the world. Compare that to whats needed to play and get all the good features of ANY new game. The gaming system is by far the most advanced and expensive computer you need if you want all the features from new games.

Funny enough, development and progression in the IT field have come from the most...not so normal places.

I wount say they answer here, but does anyone know why the internet is not just big, but a part of pretty much every persons life around the planet?

Where did this interest come from, which started in 2 very small areas. Cerf, the nerds computer networked systems, and the US military use of networking computers that could transfer information faster then voice communiation?

If anyone dares to answer.....why is the internet so big today?

Bryong9ub17_ESO

Wildstar looks like it's a child's game. It's not my kind of game.

EQBallzz

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

Wildstar looks like it's a child's game. It's not my kind of game.

That may be the case for you (and I agree) but that wasn't the point of the thread/poll. For many people the look or style of the game is secondary to features and gameplay. If there are enough of those people on the fence and ESO doesn't get improvements there will be (or already is) an exodus which isn't good for this game (even if there are still people who prefer ESO bugs/lack of features and all).

*edit* - interesting that this thread no longer goes to the top when a new post happens?

Attorneyatlawl

EQBallzz wrote: »

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

Wildstar looks like it's a child's game. It's not my kind of game.

*edit* - interesting that this thread no longer goes to the top when a new post happens?

Yeah, the mods here "bury" threads by making them unbumpable instead of locking them at times, to help sink anything negative about the game but not show that they are doing it.

See this features list of the forum software for details....



"•Sink stops a discussion from being 'bumped' back to the top of the list when new comments are added. This allows moderators to quietly cause a discussion to lose steam without stirring unrest by forcefully closing it"

It's pathetic that game forums are using this kind of functionality but there it is. Happened with PTS threads providing feedback that wasn't 100% glowing, as well.

EQBallzz

Wow. That is pretty pathetic.

Nox_Aeterna

I dont usually ask ask people are leaving the game.

And they dont usually say , they just stop logging.