(updated with videos) The New Puncturing Sweep Heal Is Amazing!

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO · June 2014

7 piece Heavy Armor, 2 hand Weaponhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=j2td_Ih2FlQ&feature=youtu.be

Heavy Wisp Mobs https://youtube.com/watch?v=yFHYuf9W8_8&feature=youtu.be

7 Piece Medium Armor, Dual Wield https://youtube.com/watch?v=4pVrqC9rsVo&list=UUHjkDgeTjr2yq2v4GB8amfA

7 Piece Light, Resto Staffhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=gPn-hr9Qo8U&feature=youtu.be

Shield and Weapon is lacking : ( https://youtube.com/watch?v=A_QtJ5BeAYM&feature=youtu.be

This skill is what we needed IMO I can now live through a group of more then 3, the heal is on par with a NB & DK's heal while damage abilities, before we had to choose to heal or damage and that is what made us weak.

Because of this skill we can apply the pressure and not have to waste all our magic on healing to only die a min later due to us being out of magic and our enemy with bearly a scratch on them.

Do not change this ability this change alone made me add another month of game time, thx and keep up the good work : )

Natjur · June 2014

It's good for your melee/tanking build. But most templars have been forced to go staff light just to get some dps but its a start. (will cost 27k to try it when it goes live tho) and most likely will be nerfed as anything even a little good on the templar has been.

Khivas_Carrick · June 2014

It better not be friggun nerfed, I'll slap the everliving *** out of somebody damn it.

Also, any word yet on us getting a resource renewal skill?

Attorneyatlawl · June 2014

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

It better not be friggun nerfed, I'll slap the everliving *** out of somebody damn it.

Also, any word yet on us getting a resource renewal skill?

Uh, right, you demanded so many nerfs for DK's we now basically have no resource renewal skill because ult is so slow to generate and battle roar does little more than a tri-pot vet rank potion provides once we've built said ult... yet you're now demanding one for yourself and not to be nerfed yourself either? Nightblades have the best resource renewal followed by sorcs at this time, with Templars/DK's at the bottom of the heap (dk's only slightly above temps now). Do you really not see how ridiculous it is to be demanding nerfs for other classes, then demanding you not be nerfed at all ever but rather want more buffs after getting the other ones nerfed to your level or below (depending on role and pve or pvp gameplay)?

monkeymystic · June 2014

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

It better not be friggun nerfed, I'll slap the everliving *** out of somebody damn it.

Also, any word yet on us getting a resource renewal skill?

Uh, right, you demanded so many nerfs for DK's we now basically have no resource renewal skill because ult is so slow to generate and battle roar does little more than a tri-pot vet rank potion provides once we've built said ult... yet you're now demanding one for yourself and not to be nerfed yourself either? Nightblades have the best resource renewal followed by sorcs at this time, with Templars/DK's at the bottom of the heap (dk's only slightly above temps now). Do you really not see how ridiculous it is to be demanding nerfs for other classes, then demanding you not be nerfed at all ever but rather want more buffs after getting the other ones nerfed to your level or below (depending on role and pve or pvp gameplay)?

^This.

Mystborn · June 2014

I haven't had a chance to get on the PTS, how much healing is it giving? Is the healing amount on the actual tooltip? Any info with numbers would be great to see!

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO · June 2014

Mystborn wrote: »

I haven't had a chance to get on the PTS, how much healing is it giving? Is the healing amount on the actual tooltip? Any info with numbers would be great to see!

healing scales based on a percentage of damage done, so the more enemies you hit the more healing , seems to be about 75% of the damage as one puncturing sweep hit would hit for about 80 damage i would receive a heal for about 60 health

AngryNord · June 2014

This might be the saviour for us two-handed Templars

Braidas · June 2014

Is the heal only for Puncturing Sweep, or does it work for Biting Jabs too?

Mystborn · June 2014

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO wrote: »

Mystborn wrote: »

I haven't had a chance to get on the PTS, how much healing is it giving? Is the healing amount on the actual tooltip? Any info with numbers would be great to see!

healing scales based on a percentage of damage done, so the more enemies you hit the more healing , seems to be about 75% of the damage as one puncturing sweep hit would hit for about 80 damage i would receive a heal for about 60 health

Hang on, you heal for 75% of the damage done - on each hit, versus all targets?

So if I have 3 enemies in the cone, and I hit the closest for 100 damage and the other two for 50 damage with each of 4 hits, I'd heal for 75% of 4*(100+50+50), so 75% of 800 = 600?

Attorneyatlawl · June 2014

Mystborn wrote: »

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO wrote: »

Mystborn wrote: »

I haven't had a chance to get on the PTS, how much healing is it giving? Is the healing amount on the actual tooltip? Any info with numbers would be great to see!

healing scales based on a percentage of damage done, so the more enemies you hit the more healing , seems to be about 75% of the damage as one puncturing sweep hit would hit for about 80 damage i would receive a heal for about 60 health

Hang on, you heal for 75% of the damage done - on each hit, versus all targets?

So if I have 3 enemies in the cone, and I hit the closest for 100 damage and the other two for 50 damage with each of 4 hits, I'd heal for 75% of 4*(100+50+50), so 75% of 800 = 600?

Tooltip says 40% of damage dealt per target, so it's 40% damage done total

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chrisw_63_ESO · June 2014

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

It better not be friggun nerfed, I'll slap the everliving *** out of somebody damn it.

Yes.. this is the kind of feedback we need. Eloquent, well thought out, and your grammar is spot on! (eesh...)

ZiRM · June 2014

ZOS is watching, NERF incoming.

Mystborn · June 2014

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Mystborn wrote: »

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO wrote: »

Mystborn wrote: »

I haven't had a chance to get on the PTS, how much healing is it giving? Is the healing amount on the actual tooltip? Any info with numbers would be great to see!

healing scales based on a percentage of damage done, so the more enemies you hit the more healing , seems to be about 75% of the damage as one puncturing sweep hit would hit for about 80 damage i would receive a heal for about 60 health

Hang on, you heal for 75% of the damage done - on each hit, versus all targets?

So if I have 3 enemies in the cone, and I hit the closest for 100 damage and the other two for 50 damage with each of 4 hits, I'd heal for 75% of 4*(100+50+50), so 75% of 800 = 600?

Tooltip says 40% of damage dealt per target, so it's 40% damage done total .

Thanks, I hadn't seen the tooltip yet so that was exactly what I was looking for. Any idea if it's a separate heal for each strike or one heal at the end? That might make a big difference for sets that give +X to heals.

It sounds like something that might be good for soloing, leveling, and maybe even PvP but it won't be any good for Trials or any endgame PvE dps (if you're trying to optimise).

Axer · June 2014

IMO it's still a horribly garbage skill for endgame.

For leveling up, sure, its nice.

Why bad for endgame:

Any difficult content, mainly the trials, especilaly for tanking/defensive builds, or any close range melee really in the end fight:
If you melee dps with channeled abilities, you put yourself at a GRAVE risk. You cannot block while using them.

Yet EVERY SINGLE DK class dps ability is instant. (And their best weapon synergy, destro). Thus they can be blocking 100% of the time outside of heavy attacks.

Using this skill on a tank templar, or melee dps, in general will always result in you taking far more damage then you got back in health due to losing your block.

Basically a huge design flaw of letting us block during instant casts is causing this.

Yankee · June 2014

OP, you probably should have kept this discovery secret for as long as possible.

LariahHunding · June 2014

Yankee wrote: »

OP, you probably should have kept this discovery secret for as long as possible.

Yep, gonna get nerfed before it is even buffed

LariahHunding · June 2014

Axer wrote: »

Basically a huge design flaw of letting us block during instant casts is causing this.

I am starting to think this is the number difference magica and stamina builds. Won't be so easy to burn down a pack of mobs if you have to release block when you do.

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO · June 2014

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Mystborn wrote: »

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO wrote: »

Mystborn wrote: »

I haven't had a chance to get on the PTS, how much healing is it giving? Is the healing amount on the actual tooltip? Any info with numbers would be great to see!

healing scales based on a percentage of damage done, so the more enemies you hit the more healing , seems to be about 75% of the damage as one puncturing sweep hit would hit for about 80 damage i would receive a heal for about 60 health

Hang on, you heal for 75% of the damage done - on each hit, versus all targets?

So if I have 3 enemies in the cone, and I hit the closest for 100 damage and the other two for 50 damage with each of 4 hits, I'd heal for 75% of 4*(100+50+50), so 75% of 800 = 600?

Tooltip says 40% of damage dealt per target, so it's 40% damage done total .

I was wearing a full set of heavy armor with the healing gain passive, my heal tics were about 60/65 health per tic and my damage tics were about 80 damage, so with the heavy armor passive its about 75% of the damage done.

reagen_lionel · June 2014

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

Is the heal only for Puncturing Sweep, or does it work for Biting Jabs too?

Why would that have anything to do with biting Jabs?

Braidas · June 2014

reagen_lionel wrote: »

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

Is the heal only for Puncturing Sweep, or does it work for Biting Jabs too?

Why would that have anything to do with biting Jabs?

Ummm...b/c biting jabs is the other morph of puncturing strikes. Why is that a ridiculous question?

vytolskavich · June 2014

Lol, This won't even make it to the live patch. It would be awesome though.

Niffo · June 2014

vytolskavich wrote: »

Lol, This won't even make it to the live patch. It would be awesome though.

Or it will, and they will hammer everything else the Templar has to balance it out.

JLB · June 2014

I don't know why this wouldn't go Live. Seeing how easily other classes can deal with the same group of mobs without sweating and with their health bars not even moving at all... Is Templar not allowed to (remotely) do the same, despite dealing less damage than other classes?

Templars' damage has not been buffed at all, so I think they are trying to balance it out giving the class more survivability - which I think is the right way of the Templar.

Hopefully we can see some other fixes for the class, specially in the magicka management area.
But good changes so far anyways. Keep it on devs.

GTech_1 · June 2014

JLB wrote: »

I don't know why this wouldn't go Live. Seeing how easily other classes can deal with the same group of mobs without sweating and with their health bars not even moving at all... [snip]

None of the classes are *supposed* to be able to do that. None.

JLB · June 2014

Well I agree at some extent with you, in an ideal world. Problem is other classes can do that, and way faster.

GTech_1 · June 2014

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO wrote: »

7 piece Heavy Armorwith 2 hand Weaponhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=j2td_Ih2FlQ&feature=youtu.be
& piece Light with Resto Staffhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=gPn-hr9Qo8U&feature=youtu.be
This skill is what we needed IMO I can now live through a group of more then 3, the heal is on par with a NB & DK's heal while damage abilities, before we had to choose to heal or damage and that is what made us weak.

Because of this skill we can apply the pressure and not have to waste all our magic on healing to only die a min later due to us being out of magic and our enemy with bearly a scratch on them.

Do not change this ability this change alone made me add another month of game time, thx and keep up the good work : )

In the heavy armor / 2H (49 point Health) video, the new ability change seems to be in about the perfect spot for damage and self healing.

The Light armor / Resto staff (magicka over charge) video shows this ability as potentially "over powered". I would say this is the fault of the differences in the Heavy armor and Light armor skill trees, and the potency of Magicka based builds, overall.

These two videos show Remarkable differences in both the survivability, and damage of the two builds. Note, of course, that the light armor "magicka overcharge" style build wins the day in BOTH of these categories, hands down, with a Resto staff equipped.

Again, the culprit, I believe, is the wide gap caused by the Armor skill trees.

This is good information to highlight on the PTS, and thanks for posting the videos. It would be interesting to see the same setup with a Medium armor, Stamina heavy build. Another video please?

+1 insightful

tplink3r1 · June 2014

heavy armor passive(7%) + restoring forcus(15%) + focused healing(30%) + T.embrace set(10%)= 102% healing based on damage done.

Niffo · June 2014

tplink3r1 wrote: »

heavy armor passive(7%) + restoring forcus(15%) + focused healing(30%) + T.embrace set(10%)= 102% healing based on damage done.

Focused Healing only works on heals from the Restoring Light line.

Baphomet · June 2014

I really like the idea behind this change. Good idea, Zenimax. 40% health return doesn't sound OP in my opinion - what's the max you can get this ult to crit for, around 900?

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO · June 2014

GTech_1 wrote: »

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO wrote: »

7 piece Heavy Armorwith 2 hand Weaponhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=j2td_Ih2FlQ&feature=youtu.be
& piece Light with Resto Staffhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=gPn-hr9Qo8U&feature=youtu.be
This skill is what we needed IMO I can now live through a group of more then 3, the heal is on par with a NB & DK's heal while damage abilities, before we had to choose to heal or damage and that is what made us weak.

Because of this skill we can apply the pressure and not have to waste all our magic on healing to only die a min later due to us being out of magic and our enemy with bearly a scratch on them.

Do not change this ability this change alone made me add another month of game time, thx and keep up the good work : )

In the heavy armor / 2H (49 point Health) video, the new ability change seems to be in about the perfect spot for damage and self healing.

The Light armor / Resto staff (magicka over charge) video shows this ability as potentially "over powered". I would say this is the fault of the differences in the Heavy armor and Light armor skill trees, and the potency of Magicka based builds, overall.

These two videos show Remarkable differences in both the survivability, and damage of the two builds. Note, of course, that the light armor "magicka overcharge" style build wins the day in BOTH of these categories, hands down, with a Resto staff equipped.

Again, the culprit, I believe, is the wide gap caused by the Armor skill trees.

This is good information to highlight on the PTS, and thanks for posting the videos. It would be interesting to see the same setup with a Medium armor, Stamina heavy build. Another video please?

+1 insightful

Medium Armor,Dual Wield https://youtube.com/watch?v=4pVrqC9rsVo&list=UUHjkDgeTjr2yq2v4GB8amfA