.39 Million

Tarwin

I went to a website and found out Aliens already walk among us

Source

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535698/Aliens-walk-theyre-refusing-share-technology-change-warring-polluting-ways-claims-former-Canadian-defense-minister.html

mutharex

Ulvich wrote: »

Dusty5 wrote: »

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/01/09/forbes-eso-subscription-model-a-compounding-factor-to-risk/ and here http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/01/02/predicting-the-biggest-disaster-of-2014-the-elder-scrolls-online/ Pathetic? naa you just have another cup of coffee and have yourself a good day.

You forgot this one also written by Paul Tassi of Forbes.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/01/09/will-the-elder-scrolls-online-have-the-last-laugh-with-its-subscription-fee/

LOL he can't even write a proper apologies letter....

Maverick827

If ESO sold well we would have heard about it. Silence means that it did not.

My guess is that they're waiting for the console launch to release combined PC and console sales (not current subscribers) numbers.

isengrimb16_ESO

Tarwin wrote: »

I went to a website and found out Aliens already walk among us

Source

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535698/Aliens-walk-theyre-refusing-share-technology-change-warring-polluting-ways-claims-former-Canadian-defense-minister.html

Yes, folks, a fine example of what Canada has for politicians. Our best entertainment has always been Parliament. Too bad they evolved up to the level of teenagers when the cameras were put in, they were much more fun when they acted like drunken children.

ESO needs drunken children in the Nord areas, um.

@Maverick827 - Well, not everyone feels the need to brag it up when they do well (if I won the lottery, do you think I'd tell anyone?! I sure as hell wouldn't make myself look much richer than I am now, with the exception of maybe breaking down and buying a reliable/utilitarian vehicle.)

But you might have a point; let them wait until console sales hit, and then give out a big number. They don't have shareholders to impress, but it might impress someone, I suppose.

Kayira

it even gives steam sales that can't exist because it has never been sold there. So I wouldn't trust this source at all.

mutharex

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

Tarwin wrote: »

I went to a website and found out Aliens already walk among us

Source

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535698/Aliens-walk-theyre-refusing-share-technology-change-warring-polluting-ways-claims-former-Canadian-defense-minister.html

Yes, folks, a fine example of what Canada has for politicians. Our best entertainment has always been Parliament. Too bad they evolved up to the level of teenagers when the cameras were put in, they were much more fun when they acted like drunken children.

ESO needs drunken children in the Nord areas, um.

Didn't a Japan Defense Minister, just a few years ago, tell the press that UFOs exists and that Japan is ready in case of attack??
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7150156.stm

isengrimb16_ESO

mutharex wrote: »

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

Tarwin wrote: »

I went to a website and found out Aliens already walk among us

Source

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535698/Aliens-walk-theyre-refusing-share-technology-change-warring-polluting-ways-claims-former-Canadian-defense-minister.html

Yes, folks, a fine example of what Canada has for politicians. Our best entertainment has always been Parliament. Too bad they evolved up to the level of teenagers when the cameras were put in, they were much more fun when they acted like drunken children.

ESO needs drunken children in the Nord areas, um.

Didn't a Japan Defense Minister, just a few years ago, tell the press that UFOs exists and that Japan is ready in case of attack??
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7150156.stm

But that's Japan. The Japanese have fun minds, judging from their entertainment.

Have you seen the stuff we put out? Bo-ring. Which is probably why our politicians are all nuts, they only grew up with one station on TV - the CBC. I'd go nuts too, if the only thing to watch was The Beachcombers.

(I grew up across the river from Detroit; we didn't need no stinkin' Beachcombers.)

mutharex

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

Tarwin wrote: »

I went to a website and found out Aliens already walk among us

Source

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535698/Aliens-walk-theyre-refusing-share-technology-change-warring-polluting-ways-claims-former-Canadian-defense-minister.html

Yes, folks, a fine example of what Canada has for politicians. Our best entertainment has always been Parliament. Too bad they evolved up to the level of teenagers when the cameras were put in, they were much more fun when they acted like drunken children.

ESO needs drunken children in the Nord areas, um.

Didn't a Japan Defense Minister, just a few years ago, tell the press that UFOs exists and that Japan is ready in case of attack??
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7150156.stm

But that's Japan. The Japanese have fun minds, judging from their entertainment.

Have you seen the stuff we put out? Bo-ring. Which is probably why our politicians are all nuts, they only grew up with one station on TV - the CBC. I'd go nuts too, if the only thing to watch was The Beachcombers.

(I grew up across the river from Detroit; we didn't need no stinkin' Beachcombers.)

When I think Canada these days, Bieber comes to mind. Unfortunately

kitsinni

Actually Zenimax sold 5.7 million copies directly which none of those charts have any way to monitor since it is a privately owned company and doesn't release financial information.

- source unkown

Ulvich

Kayira wrote: »

it even gives steam sales that can't exist because it has never been sold there. So I wouldn't trust this source at all.

Yeah. I noticed that also. So who is to say what the real numbers are?

nerevarine1138

Ulvich wrote: »

Kayira wrote: »

it even gives steam sales that can't exist because it has never been sold there. So I wouldn't trust this source at all.

Yeah. I noticed that also. So how is to say what the real numbers are?

No one can say. Which makes one wonder why you would start this thread in the first place.

Dusty5

mutharex wrote: »

Dusty5 wrote: »

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/01/09/forbes-eso-subscription-model-a-compounding-factor-to-risk/ and here http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/01/02/predicting-the-biggest-disaster-of-2014-the-elder-scrolls-online/ Pathetic? naa you just have another cup of coffee and have yourself a good day.

Even more pathetic, you are showing us links to a dumb blogger, exactly like we said. Really, trolling it's already sad, doing it with wet ammo is even sadder ah ah ah

Said dumb blogger makes his living writing and is published. If it was inaccurate it would of been retracted. By all means please tell/show us on which professional websites your paid to contribute to. We will be waiting. Keep the coffee and really try to have a good day.

nerevarine1138

Dusty5 wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

Dusty5 wrote: »

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/01/09/forbes-eso-subscription-model-a-compounding-factor-to-risk/ and here http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/01/02/predicting-the-biggest-disaster-of-2014-the-elder-scrolls-online/ Pathetic? naa you just have another cup of coffee and have yourself a good day.

Even more pathetic, you are showing us links to a dumb blogger, exactly like we said. Really, trolling it's already sad, doing it with wet ammo is even sadder ah ah ah

Said dumb blogger makes his living writing and is published. If it was inaccurate it would of been retracted. By all means please tell/show us on which professional websites your paid to contribute to. We will be waiting. Keep the coffee and really try to have a good day.

Making outlandish statements in order to get page-views is all that's required to be a blogger. The main site doesn't even edit the writing, much less review the content, that these idiots post; they just want to see numbers.

Zero_Tolerance

Maverick827 wrote: »

If ESO sold well we would have heard about it. Silence means that it did not.

Exactly. They had no problem reporting figures before, when it was a success (Skyrim)

Maverick827

Well, not everyone feels the need to brag it up when they do well (if I won the lottery, do you think I'd tell anyone?! I sure as hell wouldn't make myself look much richer than I am now, with the exception of maybe breaking down and buying a reliable/utilitarian vehicle.)

There is a zero percent chance Zenimax withheld great sales numbers so they wouldn't be perceived as "bragging."

daneyulebub17_ESO

WAIT--I found a more accurate accounting of the numbers.

This page says ESO sales actually were over 10 times what's listed in this thead, coming in at 4.2 million. Plus over one million, three hundred thousand active subs at launch. Here's a link to the site where that info is, so it must be legitimate. I mean, it's a link--on the internet!!!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107731/39-million/p2.

Scroll two thirds or so to the bottom of the page to see it. The numbers are even in BOLD!!!!!!

nerevarine1138

Maverick827 wrote: »

Well, not everyone feels the need to brag it up when they do well (if I won the lottery, do you think I'd tell anyone?! I sure as hell wouldn't make myself look much richer than I am now, with the exception of maybe breaking down and buying a reliable/utilitarian vehicle.)

There is a zero percent chance Zenimax withheld great sales numbers so they wouldn't be perceived as "bragging."

There is a much greater chance they'd wait until console release to unveil numbers because then they'd be able to use bigger numbers.

The console delay was unplanned, and 2-3 months post-launch is a silly time to release sales numbers. So now they're kind of trapped in the waiting game for the console release so that they can finally tell the press some really impressive figures.

kitsinni

Maverick827 wrote: »

Well, not everyone feels the need to brag it up when they do well (if I won the lottery, do you think I'd tell anyone?! I sure as hell wouldn't make myself look much richer than I am now, with the exception of maybe breaking down and buying a reliable/utilitarian vehicle.)

There is a zero percent chance Zenimax withheld great sales numbers so they wouldn't be perceived as "bragging."

I totally disagree. There is 0 incentive for them to release numbers. If they stated 5 million sold people would say FAIL!!! WoW has 7.5. If they say 1 Million people will say FAIL we expected 3 Million. No matter what number they put out people will use it to fuel arguments that the game is failling and it will only lead people who are happily playing to leave. No one new is going to come because they say they sold a high number but people will leave if they think the number is to low.

Skyrim is a totally different business model there are no subs so publishing those numbers just made the company look better. Currently publishing numbers can do nothing but harm ZOS.

mutharex

Dusty5 wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

Dusty5 wrote: »

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/01/09/forbes-eso-subscription-model-a-compounding-factor-to-risk/ and here http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/01/02/predicting-the-biggest-disaster-of-2014-the-elder-scrolls-online/ Pathetic? naa you just have another cup of coffee and have yourself a good day.

Even more pathetic, you are showing us links to a dumb blogger, exactly like we said. Really, trolling it's already sad, doing it with wet ammo is even sadder ah ah ah

Said dumb blogger makes his living writing and is published. If it was inaccurate it would of been retracted. By all means please tell/show us on which professional websites your paid to contribute to. We will be waiting. Keep the coffee and really try to have a good day.

I don't think even his mother could defend that guy, especially after the half arsed clumsy apologies blog (yeah the one you avoided quoting?) where he practically retracted what he said but childishly trying to stick to what he said. the result was amusing
You have to learn when to give up, really

Selstad

VGCharts are educated guesses at the best of days and not that accurate. Sales figures for games are only disclosed accurately when the company decides to release the numbers. As Zenimax hasn't and there aren't any financial reports to draw source from, I won't base myself on one source alone.

I do remember that VGChartz predicted that Nintendo Wii would bunk out on the sales and be crushed to pieces by the PS3 sales when Sony launched. That was their educated guess. Today we all know that the guess on that part was way off.

Ohioastro

There was direct confirmation from Reddit that the data in question excluded direct digital downloads - quite apart from how accurate they even are for the physical copies.

And it's utterly specious to claim that they would have released numbers unless they were bad. What incentive do they have to release anything? Let's say that there were 2 million - the people hostile to the game would then start speculating about low retention, or they'd claim that the numbers were fake, or that they were inflated. If the number is less than 5 million it's fewer than beta (thus, a failure); if it's less than WoW it's a failure; etc.

Come up with a good reason for them to release average, or even above average (but not record-breaking), sales.

Birfreben_Kinghelred

Maverick827 wrote: »

If ESO sold well we would have heard about it. Silence means that it did not.

My guess is that they're waiting for the console launch to release combined PC and console sales (not current subscribers) numbers.

Even if the sales are bad, Skyrim sold way more copys on xbox and ps3 compared to pc. At 14% of total copies sold the PC platform only represents a fraction of their playerbase.

Here, check out this completely unconfirmed link I found in a 20 second google search.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/

Thunderchief

I'm in one trade guild where the guild leader kicks out anyone not active in the last 7 days and replaces them with new active people. However I'm in a couple of other guilds where the leaders do not do this and by scrolling down you can see that only 1/4 of the people in these full guilds have logged on within the last seven days. I believe these guilds portray the more accurate picture.

Also an interesting note is that the majority of these inactive players are between level 45 and VR5

AreoHotah

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

iaintoff wrote: »

All I know is I has 5 guilds ,and the amount of brayed out slots representing those who don't log in verses those in tha guild that are logged in is massive, the exodus hasn't begun, it's happened, it's done.

And I have 5 guilds full of active members who have been there since day one of Early Access. Maybe you should recruit more steadfast members.

Stop lying/exaggerating

Arreyanne

"MOM! He said the game I play was for looser's"

Who really cares what anyone thinks but you individually.
I think it's a borefest, you say that the world would end if they took it down.
I would tell people not to buy it, you would tell people to buy it.

I think the combat is clunky at best. You think every game should use thuis wonderful combat system

"did too"
"did Not"
"Did too"
"did not"
"did too"
Good god people grow the hell up.

pahajuju

vgchartz.com/article/251632/usa-preorders-chart-24-may-2014-watch-dogs-mario-kart-8-wiiu/

Does the consoles get pure digital download as PC did, because they have some preorder numbers for the consoles from US too over there.
If you scroll down there's 12 and 14.

DeLindsay

Obvious Troll is obvious.

mutharex

pahajuju wrote: »

vgchartz.com/article/251632/usa-preorders-chart-24-may-2014-watch-dogs-mario-kart-8-wiiu/

Does the consoles get pure digital download as PC did, because they have some preorder numbers for the consoles from US too over there.
If you scroll down there's 12 and 14.

Some do, I am not sure MK8 had it though. But there are few Wii U games that you can purchase as a download code

pahajuju

mutharex wrote: »

pahajuju wrote: »

vgchartz.com/article/251632/usa-preorders-chart-24-may-2014-watch-dogs-mario-kart-8-wiiu/

Does the consoles get pure digital download as PC did, because they have some preorder numbers for the consoles from US too over there.
If you scroll down there's 12 and 14.

Some do, I am not sure MK8 had it though. But there are few Wii U games that you can purchase as a download code

Well there's Elder Scrolls Online numbers over that link too. 12 and 14. Little over 130k sold so far to consoles.

Sleepydan

I don't give two *** what the fine people at forbes, let alone the idiots that satellite them have to say. If I wasn't able to play the game myself and only had access to the infinitely reflecting pools of pessimism and bitterness commonly referred to as the eso forums, I would also think this was a sinking ship.

The only times I can ever not find people to play with is in the middle of the night. I wouldn't think this game was struggling if not for the forums.

I will be staying here. Not forever, even if they do everything right. Eventually the world will be explored, the villains slain and treasure plundered. I'll get bored and it will feel more like work than play.

Assuming everyone doesn't *** them out of subs into the ftp charity case like every other spineless company out there. Or if they nerf my class. God forbid I get nerfed.

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