They used my idea for the Bolt Escape nerf. I like it.

bg22

@NordJitsu‌ @FunkyBudda‌

No, I know NB's may eventually be buffed too much (although they're buffing slowly in order to prevent this), but talking about NB nerfs before we're even buffed to an OP stage is literally ridiculous.

And to that I say,

gtfo.

FunkyBudda

bg22 wrote: »

@NordJitsu‌ @FunkyBudda‌

No, I know NB's may eventually be buffed too much (although they're buffing slowly in order to prevent this), but talking about NB nerfs before we're even buffed to an OP stage is literally ridiculous.

And to that I say,

gtfo.

nah, I am sticking around for the clown show that Zenimax is putting out, even with the on-going buffs NBs are crying and whining "it's not enough". Eventually everyone would be tired of hearing it, and that's when the fun will begin. Cant wait.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

Kingslayer wrote: »

Teevesnacks wrote: »

Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »

Only bad players use bolt as a defensive ability. When you still get rocked by the good players, what will the community beg to be nerfed next

Apparently soul strike and volcanic rune

Aye i can understand ever so slightly soul strike but volcanic rune is just ridiculous their is nothing OP about that.

Soul Strike hits hard if you let it or if you're unfortunate enough to be in a situation where there's nothing left in the tank. And, like anything, sometimes there's just nothing you can do about it. But it's not OP. It's an Ultimate. And it's available for all...

They can't start thinking about nerfs to guild and world skills now..

Although Dawnbreaker got a nerf now that I think of it. Of course it did.. it's from a stamina tree.

Morbus2

NordJitsu wrote: »

Its cool.

Gloat all you want man. You've done nothing but prove that ZOS has no idea what they're doing. They listen to whiney bads who cry loudly on the internet instead of making actual balance decisions based on quality feedback.

The only thing that matters now is mob rule. Whatever people cry about the most, ZOS will "fix."

You're happy about it now but you won't be when its something that affects you.

I've cancelled my recurring subscription. I've got a lot of game time left in which I could reactivate it, but if ZOS's procedure with this kind of thing remains the same, I won't be continuing with this game.

Spot on.

People like @bg22 are doing more harm to this game than he can ever fathom (or perhaps he is aware of the damage he is doing and it is done purposely). At any rate, it's just sad that ZoS is to stupid to realize what's going on here.

Personally, when my subscription is up I'm leaving as well. I've had enough of this rubbish and ZoS's incompetence.

Morbus2

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AreoHotah

Here's a scooby snack...

Affrayer

@NordJitsu‌

Wasn't OP the same guy who was trolling another BE thread with his vacuous 'magic is for wussies and melee is for men.' Bull****? Or was that someone else?

@bg22

Congratz on championing the BE nerf! I'd give you a pat on the back but I don't want to catch a case of the brain-dead.

This is really a minor nerf and doesn't change anything at all. Sorcs who want to run away will still continue to do so. Even if the cost for BE was scaling, sorcs would still run. That's how runners do.

It's people like yourself that are now calling for skills such as Soul Assault and Volcanic Rune to be nerfed. Both skills available to everyone and easily dealt with. When does it end?

SeinSchatten

NordJitsu wrote: »

Its not just because of Bolt Escape. Its been an ongoing thing since Beta where they seem to make poor balance decisions (not to mention they've been slower than I hope in adding content I'm excited for like the Crime System or have completely ignored content that is fundamental to what an MMO is to me, ie. dueling.)

As an example, there were threads throughout the closed Beta about how Destructive Touch was prohibitively expensive for the utility it gave. There seemed to be something of a consensus (among intelligent and experienced testers) that it could use a cost decrease. Then, shortly after launch, they increased the cost.

Its just stuff like that.

The BE thing won't affect my build all that much. You can ask my guildies, I stopped using it as a mainstay in my build a while ago (though I still swap it in sometimes) because there are simply better things I can put there. But it does reinforce my opinion that they have absolutely no idea how to balance their game.

You might think "majority rule" would be a good way to keep customers and thus be good for business. You'd be wrong.

The majority of players understand absolutely nothing about the game, its mechanics, its meta-balance, ect. Really, they don't. They play and then they complain about things that they were personally frustrated with and that's their idea of balance. They give very little consideration to changing the way they play, counters, group dynamics, ect. Its just a pure "frustration---->complain on forum" calculation.

Good developers can distinguish between good and bad feedback, no matter how many people are saying it. Its not whether the feedback is "articulate" that matters, its whether any proposed changes make good arguments and provide solid evidence (not anecdotes) to back their propositions.

I agree. I canceled until I am sure the basic philosophy and vision for each class is clearly communicated and set in stone and each change to a class is reflected and viewed with that vision in mind.

Luvsfuzzybunnies

NordJitsu wrote: »

Its cool.

Gloat all you want man. You've done nothing but prove that ZOS has no idea what they're doing. They listen to whiney bads who cry loudly on the internet instead of making actual balance decisions based on quality feedback.

The only thing that matters now is mob rule. Whatever people cry about the most, ZOS will "fix."

You're happy about it now but you won't be when its something that affects you.

I've cancelled my recurring subscription. I've got a lot of game time left in which I could reactivate it, but if ZOS's procedure with this kind of thing remains the same, I won't be continuing with this game.

Yes cause the small test sample groups(of people they thought they could trust) they had on the PTS did so well in reporting exploits. In addition to the Templar nerfs everyone was calling for all over the place. I mean you hit it on the head Zenimax listened to all the mobs calling for Templar nerfs(I mean people were complaining about them being too powerful right. Lets do a forum search for that real fast see how many threads we find on it). So glad you pointed out that they realize the health of their game was in dire straights because 2 of 4 classes were non competitive. That's 50% of the game people might as well have not played because 2 classes were so blatantly overpowered that if you didn't roll one of them you were told by those who played them to L2p which consisted of you logging out and creating one of said classes. Thanks for the oh so constructive input.

Edited to say: Temlar nerfs not buffs.

Luvsfuzzybunnies

Affrayer wrote: »

@NordJitsu‌

Wasn't OP the same guy who was trolling another BE thread with his vacuous 'magic is for wussies and melee is for men.' Bull****? Or was that someone else?

@bg22

Congratz on championing the BE nerf! I'd give you a pat on the back but I don't want to catch a case of the brain-dead.

This is really a minor nerf and doesn't change anything at all. Sorcs who want to run away will still continue to do so. Even if the cost for BE was scaling, sorcs would still run. That's how runners do.

It's people like yourself that are now calling for skills such as Soul Assault and Volcanic Rune to be nerfed. Both skills available to everyone and easily dealt with. When does it end?

Interesting he never asked for a nerf to those abilities. But if there is an exploit of them then yes that needs fixing. The people who want those exploits to go untouched are the ones who ruin the health of the game. Why is this so hard for people to see.

Affrayer

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

Affrayer wrote: »

@NordJitsu‌

Wasn't OP the same guy who was trolling another BE thread with his vacuous 'magic is for wussies and melee is for men.' Bull****? Or was that someone else?

@bg22

Congratz on championing the BE nerf! I'd give you a pat on the back but I don't want to catch a case of the brain-dead.

This is really a minor nerf and doesn't change anything at all. Sorcs who want to run away will still continue to do so. Even if the cost for BE was scaling, sorcs would still run. That's how runners do.

It's people like yourself that are now calling for skills such as Soul Assault and Volcanic Rune to be nerfed. Both skills available to everyone and easily dealt with. When does it end?

Interesting he never asked for a nerf to those abilities. But if there is an exploit of them then yes that needs fixing. The people who want those exploits to go untouched are the ones who ruin the health of the game. Why is this so hard for people to see.

I do believe I said "It's people like yourself." Meaning the mob crying about something and mother hen ZOS attending to them.

There are no exploits with either one of those skills, just people crying about them. QQ, QQ, QQ. It's the nerf this, nerf that crowd that ruins the health of a game.

Mykah

NordJitsu wrote: »

Its not just because of Bolt Escape. Its been an ongoing thing since Beta where they seem to make poor balance decisions (not to mention they've been slower than I hope in adding content I'm excited for like the Crime System or have completely ignored content that is fundamental to what an MMO is to me, ie. dueling.)

As an example, there were threads throughout the closed Beta about how Destructive Touch was prohibitively expensive for the utility it gave. There seemed to be something of a consensus (among intelligent and experienced testers) that it could use a cost decrease. Then, shortly after launch, they increased the cost.

Its just stuff like that.

The BE thing won't affect my build all that much. You can ask my guildies, I stopped using it as a mainstay in my build a while ago (though I still swap it in sometimes) because there are simply better things I can put there. But it does reinforce my opinion that they have absolutely no idea how to balance their game.

You might think "majority rule" would be a good way to keep customers and thus be good for business. You'd be wrong.

The majority of players understand absolutely nothing about the game, its mechanics, its meta-balance, ect. Really, they don't. They play and then they complain about things that they were personally frustrated with and that's their idea of balance. They give very little consideration to changing the way they play, counters, group dynamics, ect. Its just a pure "frustration---->complain on forum" calculation.

Good developers can distinguish between good and bad feedback, no matter how many people are saying it. Its not whether the feedback is "articulate" that matters, its whether any proposed changes make good arguments and provide solid evidence (not anecdotes) to back their propositions.

You mean the instant cast ranged knockback? Lol really?


Maybe you should make a Dojo video to tell sorcs how to play with the BE cost increase, instead of propaganda videos telling other classes you don't play ineffective theory craft.

Sirlex

bg22 wrote: »

So, a little while ago, I had mentioned that I believed a fair nerf for BE would be to increase it's cost by 1.5x per cast within 5 seconds of itself, and that's what they're doing. (Although it's within 4 seconds, I'll still take it).

I just wanted to say

AWESOME

and Thank you, Zenimax, for listening.

Whether this was already a nerf in progress or it derived from my thread, it is greatly welcomed.

And last but not least, @NordJitsu‌ - I told ya so.

Yea, it was his idea. Not anyone in PTS 8 months ago asking for it!

Im ok with letting him take the flaming on this one!

Hadria

awesome man! good job we need more like you with awesome ideas!!!

Lord_Draevan

I like it. All it means is that BE won't be as spammable as before. Nothing wrong with that.

Of course, certain Sorcs are still going to mercilessly spam BE the second they start losing, but not much you can do against players that use it that way. Those who do don't get many kills since, well, they're always running away

bg22

Affrayer wrote: »

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

Affrayer wrote: »

@NordJitsu‌

Wasn't OP the same guy who was trolling another BE thread with his vacuous 'magic is for wussies and melee is for men.' Bull****? Or was that someone else?

@bg22

Congratz on championing the BE nerf! I'd give you a pat on the back but I don't want to catch a case of the brain-dead.

This is really a minor nerf and doesn't change anything at all. Sorcs who want to run away will still continue to do so. Even if the cost for BE was scaling, sorcs would still run. That's how runners do.

It's people like yourself that are now calling for skills such as Soul Assault and Volcanic Rune to be nerfed. Both skills available to everyone and easily dealt with. When does it end?

Interesting he never asked for a nerf to those abilities. But if there is an exploit of them then yes that needs fixing. The people who want those exploits to go untouched are the ones who ruin the health of the game. Why is this so hard for people to see.

I do believe I said "It's people like yourself." Meaning the mob crying about something and mother hen ZOS attending to them.

There are no exploits with either one of those skills, just people crying about them. QQ, QQ, QQ. It's the nerf this, nerf that crowd that ruins the health of a game.

@Affrayer‌

So you're comparing me (who came up with a fair way to nerf a class skill), to ppl that call for nerfs to world and guild skills?

Makes sense.

Actually, it's ppl like you that...


Don't make sense.

Affrayer

@bg22 Speaking as if you don't have an obvious bias in the matter, what with threads like this you make frequently: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107893/dk-nerf-complaint-threads-and-the-joy-they-bring#latest

So no. I really don't see much of a difference. You're a borderline troll that likes to stroke his own ego.

Huckdabuck

Affrayer wrote: »

@bg22 Speaking as if you don't have an obvious bias in the matter, what with threads like this you make frequently: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107893/dk-nerf-complaint-threads-and-the-joy-they-bring#latest

So no. I really don't see much of a difference. You're a borderline troll that likes to stroke his own ego.

I would say he's definitely a troll...nothing borderline about it (just check out his posting history on the forums concerning that OMFGerd BE and anything to do with DK's)! He's just an angry little person who has some form of hate towards anything/anyone who doesn't conform to his "style" of play and how he envisions ESO to be. Must be a hard life that he has and I'm guessing he just wants someone else to join in his misery....quiet sad honestly!

Le'sigh

OrangeTheCat

Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »

Only bad players use bolt as a defensive ability. When you still get rocked by the good players, what will the community beg to be nerfed next

That's ***. A ranged class that gets into melee range should have a tough time of it. That's not enough to characterize people as "bad players" however.

scy22b14_ESO

NordJitsu wrote: »

Its cool.

Gloat all you want man. You've done nothing but prove that ZOS has no idea what they're doing. They listen to whiney bads who cry loudly on the internet instead of making actual balance decisions based on quality feedback.

The only thing that matters now is mob rule. Whatever people cry about the most, ZOS will "fix."

You're happy about it now but you won't be when its something that affects you.

I've cancelled my recurring subscription. I've got a lot of game time left in which I could reactivate it, but if ZOS's procedure with this kind of thing remains the same, I won't be continuing with this game.

You were wrong then, you are wrong now. If you were a true PVPer you wouldn't be blinded by your bias. Your kind is poison to any semblance of PVP balance.

bg22

@Huckdabuck‌

Forgot to mention you. =D

Enjoy my nerf, bud.

I know I will. XD

Huckdabuck

bg22 wrote: »

@Huckdabuck‌

Forgot to mention you. =D

Enjoy my nerf, bud.

I know I will. XD

Won't bother me one bit since I've already said I rarely (if ever) use BE due to the loss of DPS! I will enjoy you're next volley of nerf cries though when you realize that it wasn't BE that was beating you.....rather a competent player! I can already see the OP title now "Must NERF OP Mice & Keyboardz" Oh and I though you were no longer replying to my posts? We're you telling a fib again?

Yusuf

So you finally won your pissing-contest against @NordJitsu, huh?

Luvsfuzzybunnies

Mykah wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

Its not just because of Bolt Escape. Its been an ongoing thing since Beta where they seem to make poor balance decisions (not to mention they've been slower than I hope in adding content I'm excited for like the Crime System or have completely ignored content that is fundamental to what an MMO is to me, ie. dueling.)

As an example, there were threads throughout the closed Beta about how Destructive Touch was prohibitively expensive for the utility it gave. There seemed to be something of a consensus (among intelligent and experienced testers) that it could use a cost decrease. Then, shortly after launch, they increased the cost.

Its just stuff like that.

The BE thing won't affect my build all that much. You can ask my guildies, I stopped using it as a mainstay in my build a while ago (though I still swap it in sometimes) because there are simply better things I can put there. But it does reinforce my opinion that they have absolutely no idea how to balance their game.

You might think "majority rule" would be a good way to keep customers and thus be good for business. You'd be wrong.

The majority of players understand absolutely nothing about the game, its mechanics, its meta-balance, ect. Really, they don't. They play and then they complain about things that they were personally frustrated with and that's their idea of balance. They give very little consideration to changing the way they play, counters, group dynamics, ect. Its just a pure "frustration---->complain on forum" calculation.

Good developers can distinguish between good and bad feedback, no matter how many people are saying it. Its not whether the feedback is "articulate" that matters, its whether any proposed changes make good arguments and provide solid evidence (not anecdotes) to back their propositions.

You mean the instant cast ranged knockback? Lol really?


Maybe you should make a Dojo video to tell sorcs how to play with the BE cost increase, instead of propaganda videos telling other classes you don't play ineffective theory craft.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Funny how when its an every class but sorc problem we talk about the mass of the population telling zenimax there is no counter to an ability you @nordjitsu make a video with the proof of all the complaints. Then you proceed to tell everyone but you and your guild they are playing wrong and need to resort to changing their play style to counter an ability that does not have a counter. Your day has come sir and you find out whether or not you truly learned to play your class or leaned on the crutch that was bolt escape spam.