They used my idea for the Bolt Escape nerf. I like it.

bg22

So, a little while ago, I had mentioned that I believed a fair nerf for BE would be to increase it's cost by 1.5x per cast within 5 seconds of itself, and that's what they're doing. (Although it's within 4 seconds, I'll still take it).

I just wanted to say

AWESOME

and Thank you, Zenimax, for listening.

Whether this was already a nerf in progress or it derived from my thread, it is greatly welcomed.

And last but not least, @NordJitsu‌ - I told ya so.

Ulvich

I know how you feel. Just over a year ago (while I was still playing WoW) I wrote Mike Morhaime a personal letter in regards to multi-boxing in battlegrounds. Believe it or not he did respond, and soon my idea was implemented into the game. It made a ton of people angry, but we got rid of multi-boxers.

stevenpotter321b14_ESO

Angry Sorcs, you heard it here. . . . hunt down @bg22 and show them your rage.

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO

..... @bg22 it may not be wise to enter dark or shady streets at night for you from now on

just kidding .... bolt escape was useless (just for farming plants, and that works too with 1,5x the mana) and never worked for more than 2-5 minutes (proj.prot), but the change to dark exchange made me a happy little Panda

Fuzzylumpkins

Only bad players use bolt as a defensive ability. When you still get rocked by the good players, what will the community beg to be nerfed next

Kronosphere

mobility is a huge tactical advantage. all the people saying bolt escape is not in need of a nerf cuz the spell doesnt do 20k raw damage are a bit silly. this is a step in the right direction im happy with it=) mages will still be supreme in pvp due to their ranged burst (in a game where u are often standing around on top of walls, outside of melee range) but i think armor rebalance can adress this

ZiRM

Now you can start crying about the volcanic guild skill people want to nerf also.

bg22

NiRN wrote: »

Now you can start crying about the volcanic guild skill people want to nerf also.

Could care less about Volcanic Rune.

ZiRM

bg22 wrote: »

NiRN wrote: »

Now you can start crying about the volcanic guild skill people want to nerf also.

Could care less about Volcanic Rune.

I couldn't care less about Bolt Escape.

zgrssd

bg22 wrote: »

and Thank you, Zenimax, for listening.

Maybe they did read your post. Or maybe they just had the same idea. "Great minds think alike".

Main thing is that another mana skill has been brought closer to the stamina skills, so stamina/magica equality has come that little bit closer.

Teevesnacks

Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »

Only bad players use bolt as a defensive ability. When you still get rocked by the good players, what will the community beg to be nerfed next

Apparently soul strike and volcanic rune

Kingslayer

Teevesnacks wrote: »

Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »

Only bad players use bolt as a defensive ability. When you still get rocked by the good players, what will the community beg to be nerfed next

Apparently soul strike and volcanic rune

Aye i can understand ever so slightly soul strike but volcanic rune is just ridiculous their is nothing OP about that.

Morbus2

bg22 wrote: »

So, a little while ago, I had mentioned that I believed a fair nerf for BE would be to increase it's cost by 1.5x per cast within 5 seconds of itself, and that's what they're doing. (Although it's within 4 seconds, I'll still take it).

I just wanted to say

AWESOME

and Thank you, Zenimax, for listening.

Whether this was already a nerf in progress or it derived from my thread, it is greatly welcomed.

And last but not least, @NordJitsu‌ - I told ya so.

Its like the blind leading the blind (or the inept)

ZoS, when you start catering to people whining about this class or that class, or this skill tree compared to that skill tree, or whatever ability fotm that PvP'ers want to whine about . . . under the disguise of "balancing the game", the problem is that you have now started a vicious cycle of mostly unnecessary nerfs and "fixes" that do nothing to fix the game, but have the opposite effect and further unbalance and destabilize the game, making it difficult (if not impossible) for developers and programmers to keep up with. Ffs they can't even keep up with existing bugs and "fixes".

PvP'ers whined about vampires, and they got nerfed, they whined about sorc's, and they are getting nerfed, (insert skill/ability/class here) and guess what they will get nerfed too.

ZoS, please stop listening to whiners crying for nerfs. Your going to drive away what little customers you have left.

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GrimCyclone

Yeah I've submitted thing and they've gotten used before on other games. Not that I wanted money or anything, but in a few cases it would've been nice to have the recognition. I'm sure some dude used it as his plan to make him look good though. I guess that's fine.

I influenced the new boxart for Guillemot's Hercules graphics cards back in the early 2000's. It was partially a college project but I submitted it to them and they changed their box art lol.

bg22

NiRN wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

NiRN wrote: »

Now you can start crying about the volcanic guild skill people want to nerf also.

Could care less about Volcanic Rune.

I couldn't care less about Bolt Escape.

Morbus2 wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

So, a little while ago, I had mentioned that I believed a fair nerf for BE would be to increase it's cost by 1.5x per cast within 5 seconds of itself, and that's what they're doing. (Although it's within 4 seconds, I'll still take it).

I just wanted to say

AWESOME

and Thank you, Zenimax, for listening.

Whether this was already a nerf in progress or it derived from my thread, it is greatly welcomed.

And last but not least, @NordJitsu‌ - I told ya so.

Its like the blind leading the blind (or the inept)

ZoS, when you start catering to people whining about this class or that class, or this skill tree compared to that skill tree, or whatever ability fotm that PvP'ers want to whine about . . . under the disguise of "balancing the game", the problem is that you have now started a vicious cycle of mostly unnecessary nerfs and "fixes" that do nothing to fix the game, but have the opposite effect and further unbalance and destabilize the game, making it difficult (if not impossible) for developers and programmers to keep up with. Ffs they can't even keep up with existing bugs and "fixes".

PvP'ers whined about vampires, and they got nerfed, they whined about sorc's, and they are getting nerfed, (insert skill/ability/class here) and guess what they will get nerfed too.

ZoS, please stop listening to whiners crying for nerfs. Your going to drive away what little customers you have left.

But yeah, every other thread wasn't about how ridiculous BE was. Def didn't need nerfed or anything.

LOLs.

DK's and Sorcs have been giving the community this great advice for a couple weeks now, so I'll pass it on to you.

L2P.

P.S. You're going to get nerfed more. So is DK.
So, buckle up.

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kaosodin

Now ask them for punch and pie /em crosses fingers

Devlinne

Read the pts forums. Most sorcs are saying how this "Nerf" doesn't make a difference......While if a NON SORC said it...we would be flamed and hated. BUT now your OWN CLASS is saying it:)

Funny. IF we can count on anything, we can always count on ppl's need to BRAG.
Keep saying how your class is the best! Keep posting videos of you destroying ppl in pvp and soloing group content in pve as PROOF too.
Keep it up. The devs are reading and watching:)

hk11

bg22 wrote: »

So, a little while ago, I had mentioned that I believed a fair nerf for BE would be to increase it's cost by 1.5x per cast within 5 seconds of itself, and that's what they're doing. (Although it's within 4 seconds, I'll still take it).

I just wanted to say

AWESOME

and Thank you, Zenimax, for listening.

Whether this was already a nerf in progress or it derived from my thread, it is greatly welcomed.

And last but not least, @NordJitsu‌ - I told ya so.

Cool. With a little luck they will nerf everyone down to your *** tier and close shop. Would that satisfy you?

AshleyLee

As a sorcerer and Streak user, I am ok with the change. I have tested on the PTS, which is open to everybody now, and it seems to work as newly described. The tooltip even updates during the 4 seconds to the higher cost. if u keep using it within 4sec, it stays at the higher cost, so the "timer" resets each time u use it within a 4second period. But it does NOT go above the 50% increase from your base.

Update: The 50% calcuation is "bugged". My cost of streak is 220, with passives and 2 pieces of jewerly. 50% more should be 330. But its 399. I removed jewerly to see if those change the calucation and it is still more than 50%.

canghai

so r gap closers gonna get a nerf too?

methjester

I don't think this is the horrible nerf people were hoping for. Instead of getting 15-17 Bolt escapes off they'll still be able to use 8-10 and stun like they have been.

Nerf? yes. Gamebreaking nerf? Hardly.

NordJitsu

Its cool.

Gloat all you want man. You've done nothing but prove that ZOS has no idea what they're doing. They listen to whiney bads who cry loudly on the internet instead of making actual balance decisions based on quality feedback.

The only thing that matters now is mob rule. Whatever people cry about the most, ZOS will "fix."

You're happy about it now but you won't be when its something that affects you.

I've cancelled my recurring subscription. I've got a lot of game time left in which I could reactivate it, but if ZOS's procedure with this kind of thing remains the same, I won't be continuing with this game.

Alephen

NiRN wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

NiRN wrote: »

Now you can start crying about the volcanic guild skill people want to nerf also.

Could care less about Volcanic Rune.

I couldn't care less about Bolt Escape.

it's english - words dont mean what they used to, or even should mean. words arent pronounced correctly, grammar is a fubar collection of rules some random people say are a good idea (or sometimes a different set of rules another random group of people say is a good idea,) rough and through dont rhyme, add the prefix in-, meaning not, and flammable becomes inflammable meaning not... oh wait, the spelling of phonetic...

thus could care less means couldnt care less. usage + understanding. enough people use the 'incorrect' version, and everyone knows what is meant.

in summation: grammar nazis need a better grammar!

FunkyBudda

NordJitsu wrote: »

Its cool.

Gloat all you want man. You've done nothing but prove that ZOS has no idea what they're doing. They listen to whiney bads who cry loudly on the internet instead of making actual balance decisions based on quality feedback.

The only thing that matters now is mob rule. Whatever people cry about the most, ZOS will "fix."

You're happy about it now but you won't be when its something that affects you.

I've cancelled my recurring subscription. I've got a lot of game time left in which I could reactivate it, but if ZOS's procedure with this kind of thing remains the same, I won't be continuing with this game.

pretty spot on, and the ones gloating now will surely get hit later with a nerf bat to their classes, and you just have to bring up some threads like this and laugh in their face.

What comes around goes around, they will get it soon enough.

And no, I don't want the nerf bats to stop swinging, because I want to make sure the ones calling for the nerfs get theirs too

bg22

NordJitsu wrote: »

Its cool.

Gloat all you want man. You've done nothing but prove that ZOS has no idea what they're doing. They listen to whiney bads who cry loudly on the internet instead of making actual balance decisions based on quality feedback.

The only thing that matters now is mob rule. Whatever people cry about the most, ZOS will "fix."

You're happy about it now but you won't be when its something that affects you.

I've cancelled my recurring subscription. I've got a lot of game time left in which I could reactivate it, but if ZOS's procedure with this kind of thing remains the same, I won't be continuing with this game.

So, what procedure would you prefer they take when it comes to nerfing and buffing abilities?

Should they listen to the most well put together, and most articulate /feedback reports and forums only?

Should they randomly select some people and just do what they think?

Or should they make observations based on the majority of player feedback, game-play and find the most suitable and fair idea to fix/nerf/buff the given issue?

I would think the latter.

And apparently so does ZOS, because that's precisely what they did in this, and other situations.

In a business, when the majority of your customers feel that something is wrong, then it is wrong. Sure, there may be ways to counter it (I use 1h/shield for fightin Sorcs and spam charge when they bolt), but regardless it was in a league of it's own. That in a MMO is a no-no.

Anyway, @NordJitsu‌ I wouldn't cancel just yet. (I mean... if you're canceling because BE is getting nerfed, idk what to tell you) If you've read yesterdays article (The Road Ahead), things look pretty good.

NordJitsu

Its not just because of Bolt Escape. Its been an ongoing thing since Beta where they seem to make poor balance decisions (not to mention they've been slower than I hope in adding content I'm excited for like the Crime System or have completely ignored content that is fundamental to what an MMO is to me, ie. dueling.)

As an example, there were threads throughout the closed Beta about how Destructive Touch was prohibitively expensive for the utility it gave. There seemed to be something of a consensus (among intelligent and experienced testers) that it could use a cost decrease. Then, shortly after launch, they increased the cost.

Its just stuff like that.

The BE thing won't affect my build all that much. You can ask my guildies, I stopped using it as a mainstay in my build a while ago (though I still swap it in sometimes) because there are simply better things I can put there. But it does reinforce my opinion that they have absolutely no idea how to balance their game.

You might think "majority rule" would be a good way to keep customers and thus be good for business. You'd be wrong.

The majority of players understand absolutely nothing about the game, its mechanics, its meta-balance, ect. Really, they don't. They play and then they complain about things that they were personally frustrated with and that's their idea of balance. They give very little consideration to changing the way they play, counters, group dynamics, ect. Its just a pure "frustration---->complain on forum" calculation.

Good developers can distinguish between good and bad feedback, no matter how many people are saying it. Its not whether the feedback is "articulate" that matters, its whether any proposed changes make good arguments and provide solid evidence (not anecdotes) to back their propositions.

bg22

FunkyBudda wrote: »

pretty spot on, and the ones gloating now will surely get hit later with a nerf bat to their classes, and you just have to bring up some threads like this and laugh in their face.

What comes around goes around, they will get it soon enough.

And no, I don't want the nerf bats to stop swinging, because I want to make sure the ones calling for the nerfs get theirs too

@FunkyBudda‌

You did read on the latest article about how they still feel NB is under-par with the other classes, right? And will slowly be receiving buffs until they are on equal grounds.

No?

Okay, didn't think so.

FunkyBudda

bg22 wrote: »

FunkyBudda wrote: »

pretty spot on, and the ones gloating now will surely get hit later with a nerf bat to their classes, and you just have to bring up some threads like this and laugh in their face.

What comes around goes around, they will get it soon enough.

And no, I don't want the nerf bats to stop swinging, because I want to make sure the ones calling for the nerfs get theirs too

@FunkyBudda‌

You did read on the latest article about how they still feel NB is under-par with the other classes, right? And will slowly be receiving buffs until they are on equal grounds.

No?

Okay, didn't think so.

Is this your first time playing a MMO? Classes that received buffs never received nerfs afterwards? You think NBs after buffs will be immune to future balance checks? Oh boy are you naive.

NordJitsu

They are almost certainly over-buffing the NB in response to the current crying. Really, what they needed to do most was just fix the NB bugs.

Because they are over-buffing the NB I can basically guarantee you that we'll be seeing "NBs OB- Nerf NBs" threads in the near future.

FunkyBudda

NordJitsu wrote: »

They are almost certainly over-buffing the NB in response to the current crying. Really, what they needed to do most was just fix the NB bugs.

Because they are over-buffing the NB I can basically guarantee you that we'll be seeing "NBs OB- Nerf NBs" threads in the near future.

yep, and DKs/Sorcs should all make sure they get a taste of their own medicine, it will be great

bg22

@NordJitsu‌ I certainly agree that some of things that should be standard in a MMO, (my biggest peeve being the one you mentioned, dueling) don't exist in ESO and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

And I can't explain why they would go against feedback as you mentioned above, I can only assume that they have a program to look further into such abilities and compare damage/healing to cost of magicka ratios. But, who knows.

However, I do believe they're working on some good things. And I also believe that when a skill is causing the majority of you player base great frustration, it needs to be changed. There's no if's or but's about it.

While you're right, the majority of players do not have a clue about game mechanics, they're still entitles to an opinion, and that opinion should still be weighed as valuable as those who do understand mechanics.

That wouldn't be so if this were a job, but it's not. It's a game. We all pay the same price. So, lets pretend that the subscribers play the classes equally: 75% of your player base was completely fed up w/ how ridiculously Sorcs could just "well, I lost *derp-blink-derp-blink-derp-blink x 8*".

The issue needed handled and I feel they did a great job doing it.