NA - Wabbajack

Lowbei

the fight we are discussing happened over a month ago, i havent looked at the video in a while, but im told it was their regular 9man

you say it wasnt your "organized" group?
if it wasnt your "organized" group when you lost the first 6v9, then im not sure why you came back to lose another without getting more "organized"

i asked your people if they wanted to "organize" another fight, even said they could bring 9 to fight our 6 again, but they declined.

fixate

I can't believe a guy that hardcasted crystal fragments in my face is talking *** right now. This is hilarious.

Just.. just stop.. rofl

MaximillianDiE

Loving the GiFs Fixate

You're a good fight for us in DiE whether on Wabba or AB when Moon Die makes us go back to defend his crown from time to time and run into your group over there. Keep on coming out as its always good to run into other organised guild groups and yours is one of the better ones on EP which unfortunately seems to largely consist of uncoordinated zergs at the moment.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

This game isn't balanced, much less balanced for small scale PvP, so your post has no meaning.

Lowbei wrote: »

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I've seen 2 people kill 10, 10 people kill 30, etc... and I'm sure many of you have as well. No one cares. Is it that hard to respect your enemy? Grow up.

With that said, this topic could be in for closure soon if the topic keeps going like this.

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fixate

gervaislairdrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Loving the GiFs Fixate

You're a good fight for us in DiE whether on Wabba or AB when Moon Die makes us go back to defend his crown from time to time and run into your group over there. Keep on coming out as its always good to run into other organised guild groups and yours is one of the better ones on EP which unfortunately seems to largely consist of uncoordinated zergs at the moment.

Hell yeah man even though our group has winded down by the time you guys get on it's still really fun to fight everybody, definitely keeps thing interesting & fresh when the map is so fluctual!

And yeah keeping the thread on topic would be a good thing but it's hard not to laugh sometimes, people will cling to any little success they have.. even if it's meaningless to others.

Lowbei

you are right, rolling you bads was meaningless to me. you guys should practice more so you dont get rolled by smaller groups, no offense.

i hope that arenas bring competition soon!

MaximillianDiE

Until they implement guild tabards/nameplates and the like this sort of smack talk is a bit meaningless as odds are we don't know who you are anyway unless you're someone like Fixate/Nicole/the long gone Synapse from AB/Moon DiE/Cloneink etc run organised groups around the clock as well as some really pro individuals (hat nod Antwerp on the blue side).

Personally arenas don't interest me at all - I'd rather they gave us ways to see who we were fighting in RvR (tabards/guild nameplates/DAOC or WAR style killspam) so that inter guild rivalries could spring up organically instead of most fights just being another rolling of another faceless red or blue group that may or may not be Pugs or guild groups.

Then bring on the smack talk!

Lowbei

i agree, they should have nameplates and guild tags, with the option to turn them off if its breaking the immersion of what im guessing is 5% of the players

LGAllastair

Yeah, guild on the nameplates would certainly be good, I hope they push that soon.

Final days of Wabba are fun, in for another 3 months folks?

Sile

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Sile wrote: »

I don't understand why people are so quick to put down their alliance mates.
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TLDR most of the leaders on DC are indescribably inept, and have egos the size of a small planet.

hmmmmm

Well, what I was referring to was the other DC so willing to jump on the hate bandwagon, and because of it will flat out refuse to work together. I might think a person is a terrible pvp leader, but it won't stop me working with them, regardless of their track record.

bitaken wrote: »

You can't blame the troops for being demoralised when all they see is constant bickering, chest thumping, and condescension in zone chat.

No one is "at fault" for DC not being able to come back and win. However, people need to have fun playing the game instead of getting such a freaking panties in a bunch attitude on all the time.

This is a bit rich coming from you, since I know you would rather work solo, and then actively talk trash on the forums, hell, I've been on your ignore list since near the campaign start, and when trying to work with EHJ through proxies, I don't even get a response.

You're right that people let dumb things spill into Z chat all the damn time, but the fault is very much in the leadership, since they would rather try to glory hog and be some kind of valiant fearless leader, rather than part of a team that'll win.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

The to and fro between a few in here is pathetic. How old are you kids? You're not elite. You're not awesome. You're just very naughty boys.

You've destroyed the thread. If there were any ontopic posts in the last few pages I missed them because the nauseating kiddy posts made me flick past them. New wabba thread required.

Rylana

Stop... calling... it... AE

it is AoE. Area OF Effect

Tintinabula

Im from EP and Id like to say that fighting AD is like fighting a swarm of bees...a horrible scary swarm intellect...If I attack just one on the fringes the entire swarm knows. And AD are Masters at creating ideal farming scenarios.

DC are quite good at skirmishes and tough to kill.(horrible at zerging and farming ap though) I had some awesome 3V3 etc with DC during this current campaign. I died to DC a lot...slowly..but i still died.AD just...all I saw was yellow and then a bright light.

I hope I pick a good campaign when its all said and done for the next one.

Hats off to all who made wabbajack fun these last months

Halrloprillalar

Tintinabula wrote: »

Im from EP and Id like to say that fighting AD is like fighting a swarm of bees...a horrible scary swarm intellect...If I attack just one on the fringes the entire swarm knows. And AD are Masters at creating ideal farming scenarios.

It's like you're actually talking about EP because that is all I saw tonight: impulse swarms of red. Not a single EP gank group, just zergs. 90% of AD were poor PUGs trying to siege stuff when they got wiped out by said zergs.

The only time we had any kind of decent small scale stuff was at your gate.

Tintinabula

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

Im from EP and Id like to say that fighting AD is like fighting a swarm of bees...a horrible scary swarm intellect...If I attack just one on the fringes the entire swarm knows. And AD are Masters at creating ideal farming scenarios.

It's like you're actually talking about EP because that is all I saw tonight: impulse swarms of red. Not a single EP gank group, just zergs. 90% of AD were poor PUGs trying to siege stuff when they got wiped out by said zergs.

The only time we had any kind of decent small scale stuff was at your gate.

I rarely follow a zerg and if i find myself in one I try to wander off from it. I so enjoy the choke points and small skirmishes. Zergs are mayhem. I don't like fighting that way. Ive made my set up and skills for 3-6 enemies..not 20+. :P

bitaken

Sile wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Sile wrote: »

I don't understand why people are so quick to put down their alliance mates.
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TLDR most of the leaders on DC are indescribably inept, and have egos the size of a small planet.

hmmmmm

Well, what I was referring to was the other DC so willing to jump on the hate bandwagon, and because of it will flat out refuse to work together. I might think a person is a terrible pvp leader, but it won't stop me working with them, regardless of their track record.

bitaken wrote: »

You can't blame the troops for being demoralised when all they see is constant bickering, chest thumping, and condescension in zone chat.

No one is "at fault" for DC not being able to come back and win. However, people need to have fun playing the game instead of getting such a freaking panties in a bunch attitude on all the time.

This is a bit rich coming from you, since I know you would rather work solo, and then actively talk trash on the forums, hell, I've been on your ignore list since near the campaign start, and when trying to work with EHJ through proxies, I don't even get a response.

You're right that people let dumb things spill into Z chat all the damn time, but the fault is very much in the leadership, since they would rather try to glory hog and be some kind of valiant fearless leader, rather than part of a team that'll win.

If you have been on my ignore list it is likely due to the fact that you spammed the heck out of zone chat and my filter grabbed you. Besides that.....yes I prefer to work alone with other competent group leaders. Reevo and I had a good working north south week or so - then I went on a trip with my son and when I came back we lost too much ground to make a come back. Egypt and I discussed some things and the fact that DC failed so badly at back capping EP offensives and that I would happily handle the back capping as long as someone got something accomplished on the front line. Unfortunately, I am but one group leader and while willing and able to communicate to other group leaders....most of the time it was ineffective to say the least.

However, I don't blame anyone and congratulate EP.

Just admit that the EG brain drain is real. It's at least the number 3 reason DC lost this campaign.

dcincali

Wideglide007 wrote: »

AD is as bad. a lot of people that think they should be king bob the fabulous, not much coordination. and lately asking "pugs" to do stuff, which is fine, yet 3 weeks ago all pugs were crap as far as they were concerned.[/quote]

Pugs are still bad,we just like to try to include them at times, you know to absorb the oil farm.. Besides when do you ever use an Ice Treb to take down a postern door but when you're a pug?

Ice treb best treb na amirite....

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

Stone/Rock is weak to fire/ice

Amirite?

Bramir

I have been members of pugs with no voice comm that wipe whole zergs of both AD and DC while being badly outnumbered.

dcincali wrote: »

Wideglide007 wrote: »

AD is as bad. a lot of people that think they should be king bob the fabulous, not much coordination. and lately asking "pugs" to do stuff, which is fine, yet 3 weeks ago all pugs were crap as far as they were concerned.

Pugs are still bad,we just like to try to include them at times, you know to absorb the oil farm.. Besides when do you ever use an Ice Treb to take down a postern door but when you're a pug?

Ice treb best treb na amirite....
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Actually, one of the reasons EP started dominating Wabba a few days ago is that our non-voice comm squads (some of you use PUGS to describe anybody not on ts, when in reality most voice comm raids are also PUGs, so I will too) have a few leaders now. Just because someone doesn't want to listen to you on teamspeak doesn't make them bad, and in fact, the PUGs I have been in the last few days have been anything but bad. I PUG, and I don't absorb oil...I purge it. Not everyone needs to be told what to do at all times in order to be successful. In fact, I would go so far to say most experienced PvPers do not need voice comms. Now if you want your PvEer raid to be successful in PvP, you had best tell them which hand to hold their *** with...

Wideglide007

Lowbei wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Lowbei wrote: »

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he'll post those vids soon. i'm sure. course half of us will have moved on by that point lol

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Wideglide007

dcincali wrote: »

Wideglide007 wrote: »

AD is as bad. a lot of people that think they should be king bob the fabulous, not much coordination. and lately asking "pugs" to do stuff, which is fine, yet 3 weeks ago all pugs were crap as far as they were concerned.

Pugs are still bad,we just like to try to include them at times, you know to absorb the oil farm.. Besides when do you ever use an Ice Treb to take down a postern door but when you're a pug?

Ice treb best treb na amirite....
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yeah anyone that not in a leet guild is a pug that has no concept of pvp

Lowbei

Wideglide007 wrote: »

Lowbei wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Lowbei wrote: »

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he'll post those vids soon. i'm sure. course half of us will have moved on by that point lol

i couldnt help but notice that he didnt volunteer to participate in the fight he was requesting

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Snit

Wideglide007 wrote: »

yeah anyone that not in a leet guild is a pug that has no concept of pvp

The common usage of 'PUGs' now appears to be, "anyone not in our Teamspeak."

quakedawg_ESO

EP PUGS rock!

frwinters_ESO

I have been on Wabba since day 1 and never switched home campaigns. My guild wanted to avoid AB like the plague. We wanted some PvP, but also wanted populations to be good and not have to wait for ques.

Well what ever happened on AB to make all you guys swarm Wabba...i curse that day.

Halrloprillalar

Tintinabula wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

Im from EP and Id like to say that fighting AD is like fighting a swarm of bees...a horrible scary swarm intellect...If I attack just one on the fringes the entire swarm knows. And AD are Masters at creating ideal farming scenarios.

It's like you're actually talking about EP because that is all I saw tonight: impulse swarms of red. Not a single EP gank group, just zergs. 90% of AD were poor PUGs trying to siege stuff when they got wiped out by said zergs.

The only time we had any kind of decent small scale stuff was at your gate.

I rarely follow a zerg and if i find myself in one I try to wander off from it. I so enjoy the choke points and small skirmishes. Zergs are mayhem. I don't like fighting that way. Ive made my set up and skills for 3-6 enemies..not 20+. :P

I prefere smaller fights myself but there has been no avoiding the blob lately, it's like they just go around like a vacuum cleaner to wherever there is combat.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

Alright so who was that DC group who kept going to farragut (?) to take that scroll? =_=

What a pain in the ass you guys were.

But uhh, why did you do it? There was no where to go where we couldn't cut you off...

Lord_Draevan

nukeyoo wrote: »

While I'm not condoning anyone jumping ship. I want to merely pose a few questions to those of you commenting on it. Ask yourself this....

"What was my original home campaign towards launch?"

"Did I stick through adversity on my original home campaign or did I leave for greener pastures?"

It's quite amusing how short some peoples memories can be.

I was on Auriel's Bow from early access until the point AD was at High or Full 24/7 but EP never went above Low, which I think was a month/month and a half ago. Then I moved to Wabbajack when EP was 50k points behind DC on it and have stayed there ever since.

Desdemonte

Rivière wrote: »

nukeyoo wrote: »

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Then when Wabbajack got really tough and your Alliance needed more people playing and playing at all hours of the day, DC did exactly what I expected them to do -- they quit. They swamped Bloodthorn (already drowning in blue) with even more of them. Your Alliance wanted the easy win instead of either a tough second place and possible victory that you could be proud of.

You've lost Wabbajack. It's done but for the crying.

Like last night on Wabbajack, EP got all 6 Scrolls and Emperor while all 3 populations were locked. What did DC do? Within an hour they dropped down to Medium population, and Bloodthorn's DC pop went from High to Full around the same time. Hell, AD stayed, even though they have no chance of victory at this point.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Jeers to those who threw away their faction's chance at victory by quitting and going over to a campaign they were already winning. Want a challenge that's not Wabbajack? Go try to dethrone Moon Die on Auriel's Bow.

I suspect, due to the sheer lack of heart DC has, he'd stomp them flat.

No way they could dethrone Moon Die, but more because on Auriel's if a few DC or EP player shows up AD goes to High/Full pop within minutes and zerg then gate camp you into quitting.

Oh, I know.

But they've got all those big, elite PVP guilds on the DC side of things. Shouldn't they see that as a challenge? Shouldn't they be taking on campaigns their alliance is doing poorly in instead of hiding in the one that's mathematically locked to a victory for them?

I mean, they've got years of PVP experience and all these advanced tactics, and are so very coordinated. They don't turn down any challenges and take on every opponent and win with superior skill.

Right?

Right?

And in no way is this my secret desire to see certain people zerged flat by AB's AD.

While I'm not condoning anyone jumping ship. I want to merely pose a few questions to those of you commenting on it. Ask yourself this....

"What was my original home campaign towards launch?"

"Did I stick through adversity on my original home campaign or did I leave for greener pastures?"

It's quite amusing how short some peoples memories can be.

That is true.

I also don't condemn people for switch campaigns but from what I recall EP only managed to comeback at DC also due large influx of players. Which actually made the campaign a bit better since DC seemed to be spawn camping others.

Large influx of players? How were we able to do that when permenantly pop locked?

Duh....

Rylana

It actually amuses me when some "raid leader" in voice makes the stupidest possible call ever.

I wonder if the whole metagame in ESO is to see how many people you can get into your TS to boss around.