NB suck this horribly?

Pewpie

VR7. Over 2k magicka/health. Build with dark cloak, concealed blade, etc.

Im crouch hidden, attack a VR1 guy in cyrodiil from behind with concealed blade, re-cloak and hit a few times, swallow souls etc, until magicka is 0.

Guy is never below 90% health.

3-shots me dead.

Guess i suck, nonetheless Im never gonna start this *** game again.

Weberda

Next time avoid the guy with the big red S on his chest and the blue cape.

lao

what u expect u chose 2 horribly wrong morphs for the 2 most important skills a NB has.

dark cloak is *** terrible. get shadowy disguise. concealed weapon is so lala but surprise attack is ALOT better. use the correct morphs and u will do dmg.

Samadhi

As a pre-50 Nightblade I was able to kill VR1-6 characters in 1v1 situations.

As a VR1 Nightblade I was able to kill VR6-9 characters in 1v1 situations.

As a VR3 Nightblade I was able to kill up to VR12 characters in 1v1 situations.

Nightblade had a lot of bugged skills and passives that have slowly been getting fixed and buffed, but I've never really had issues with Nightblade as a class.

Pewpie

lao wrote: »

what u expect u chose 2 horribly wrong morphs for the 2 most important skills a NB has.

dark cloak is *** terrible. get shadowy disguise. concealed weapon is so lala but surprise attack is ALOT better. use the correct morphs and u will do dmg.

Still hidden crouch opener should atleast hit him below 95% or?

Gisgo

VR7 vs VR1 and you didnt bring him below 90% health?
No, NBs dont suck that much.

Pewpie

Gisgo wrote: »

VR7 vs VR1 and you didnt bring him below 90% health?
No, NBs dont suck that much.

Got in atleast 1 opener from crouch from behind, maybe 3-4 atttacks from cloak. Felt like i was hardly scratching him...

Gisgo

Whats your spell damage?
I see a lot of people capping stamina/magicka/health and their damage blows.

Pancake-Tragedy

lao wrote: »

what u expect u chose 2 horribly wrong morphs for the 2 most important skills a NB has.

dark cloak is *** terrible. get shadowy disguise. concealed weapon is so lala but surprise attack is ALOT better. use the correct morphs and u will do dmg.

Lol, what? Dark Cloak is much better than shadowy disguise. I'll take a cleanse (even if it is bugged and only cleanses one DoT at a time) over a 100% crit chance that doesn't affect skills that are worth using.

Also concealed weapon is preferred in a pvp environment when movement is so incredibly important, especially considering the fact that surprise attack only affects physical damage, not spells, and overall is only worth about a 5% damage increase to those physical attacks.

The guy picked the right skills but used them at the wrong time. Here is a tip: Don't spam all of your abilities on someone that is blocking.

Gisgo

I agree both Dark cloak and Concealed weapon are better in PvP.

Dots hurt and moving fast is crucial.

Pewpie

Gisgo wrote: »

Whats your spell damage?
I see a lot of people capping stamina/magicka/health and their damage blows.

Hmm 86

Pewpie

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

lao wrote: »

what u expect u chose 2 horribly wrong morphs for the 2 most important skills a NB has.

dark cloak is *** terrible. get shadowy disguise. concealed weapon is so lala but surprise attack is ALOT better. use the correct morphs and u will do dmg.

Lol, what? Dark Cloak is much better than shadowy disguise. I'll take a cleanse (even if it is bugged and only cleanses one DoT at a time) over a 100% crit chance that doesn't affect skills that are worth using.

Also concealed weapon is preferred in a pvp environment when movement is so incredibly important, especially considering the fact that surprise attack only affects physical damage, not spells, and overall is only worth about a 5% damage increase to those physical attacks.

The guy picked the right skills but used them at the wrong time. Here is a tip: Don't spam all of your abilities on someone that is blocking.

They didnt block any attacks.

Gisgo

Pewpie wrote: »

Hmm 86

I dont know im running a stamina build and the numbers are different...
We need a nightmage to tell us if thats good or not.

Pancake-Tragedy

Pewpie wrote: »

They didnt block any attacks.

If they didn't block and you blew your load all over them and they didn't drop below 90%, something went wrong and it wasn't the classes fault. I mean the NB has issues but they aren't THAT bad.

Gisgo wrote: »

I dont know im running a stamina build and the numbers are different...
We need a nightmage to tell us if thats good or not.

I run a warlock style build and do just fine. At VR6 I have 92 spell damage, so 86 isn't terrible I guess.

Gisgo

I dont know ive been told stamina builds damage is based on weapon damage and magicka builds damage is based on magicka.
It doesnt make sense to me but what does a Khaijit know?

Only that i didnt see "good" damage until i softcapped Power.

joshisanonymous

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

lao wrote: »

what u expect u chose 2 horribly wrong morphs for the 2 most important skills a NB has.

dark cloak is *** terrible. get shadowy disguise. concealed weapon is so lala but surprise attack is ALOT better. use the correct morphs and u will do dmg.

Lol, what? Dark Cloak is much better than shadowy disguise. I'll take a cleanse (even if it is bugged and only cleanses one DoT at a time) over a 100% crit chance that doesn't affect skills that are worth using.

Also concealed weapon is preferred in a pvp environment when movement is so incredibly important, especially considering the fact that surprise attack only affects physical damage, not spells, and overall is only worth about a 5% damage increase to those physical attacks.

The guy picked the right skills but used them at the wrong time. Protip: Don't spam all of your abilities on someone that is blocking.

While I think both are good for different reasons, Shadowy Disguise applies at least to Concealed Weapon and any melee weapon skills you might be using. I didn't test Ambush or Impale, since I don't see why I'd ever use those from Shadowy Disguise anyway, but I imagine all the melee-ish NB skills follow weapon crit. (Crit is actually applies more intuitively to abilities than stamina/magicka. i.e. If it looks like an attack with a melee weapon, it's probably based on weapon crit, regardless of what type of skill it is.)

Likewise, armor is most likely the mitigating stat from Concealed Weapon, Ambush, Impale, and any other melee-looking NB abilities. Mitigation also works in the more intuitive way that crit damage does. (I'm basing some of this off of this video, which was made a week before release.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGOwZHb4sXY

@Pewpie I think it might be helpful if we knew more about your target. I mean, they must have been doing something if you couldn't get them below 95% even with just your opener. Either that, or your stats are severely out of wack. Maybe they had shields/absorbs up? Were they standing in a banner? Did you abilities lag out and not actually hit them but still use up magicka? If it's any consolation, with only 1500 magicka, I've been able to burn through VR12 players with a short opening rotation. In other words, this particular scenario of yours sounds special.

Pancake-Tragedy

You are correct Gisgo, and the OP is using a magicka build.

Samadhi

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

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Lol, what? Dark Cloak is much better than shadowy disguise. I'll take a cleanse (even if it is bugged and only cleanses one DoT at a time) over a 100% crit chance that doesn't affect skills that are worth using.
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"Doesn't affect skills that are worth using."

I'm guessing you are a Magicka build focused on the Siphoning tree and need Spell Crit instead of physical crit?
For melee/physical crit Nightblades the 100% crit chance increase can impact everything on their bar.

Pancake-Tragedy

Samadhi wrote: »

"Doesn't affect skills that are worth using."

I'm guessing you are a Magicka build focused on the Siphoning tree and need Spell Crit instead of physical crit?
For melee/physical crit Nightblades the 100% crit chance increase can impact everything on their bar.

Right, I am primarily using the siphoning tree but that doesn't mean I haven't used or experimented with other builds.

dahl.lucas_ESO

I got a question for you regarding this. Was this a DK you where attacking?
At lest I believe it was not a sorc, he would have died in three hits.

Pancake-Tragedy

joshisanonymous wrote: »

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I do agree that both morphs have their place in a build. I was just replying to the guy that told the OP that he picked the wrong morphs.

Pewpie

@Pewpie I think it might be helpful if we knew more about your target. I mean, they must have been doing something if you couldn't get them below 95% even with just your opener. Either that, or your stats are severely out of wack. Maybe they had shields/absorbs up? Were they standing in a banner? Did you abilities lag out and not actually hit them but still use up magicka? If it's any consolation, with only 1500 magicka, I've been able to burn through VR12 players with a short opening rotation. In other words, this particular scenario of yours sounds special.

He was hitting on someone else. After i burned down all magicka and was like WTF.... he just turned around and blew me out with 3 hits or such. Either i must suck terribly, which is not unlikely :P or something weird going on.

Will try a combat log addon, gonna investigate wth happens. It just feels like all my attacks are doing no damage at all...

Pancake-Tragedy

Without more information we won't know what happened. The player may have had barrier up while getting heals for all we know.

Nuitar

He was blocking, end of story. DKs with sword and board have a 360 degree block. He may have also had a HoT on him, been an imperial (100 HPS via auto attacks), or you missed him hit a dragon blood after the opening.

Only way to beat a SnB DK as a NB is with range or sitting in your veil of blades.

Grim13

Well, OP, sometimes NB skills fail to work. Chances are, the attack out of stealth didn't score properly... Happens far too often but ZOS don't give a ****.

Izatar

Well, its not that nightblades don't suck, but I have also encountered this with my templar. One particular v12 DK was afk, I was v5. Did not appear to be blocking. I do everything I can against him. Took me 3 bars of mana and stamina to kill him. His idle regeneration is as high as my burst dps!

Pewpie

Nuitar wrote: »

He was blocking, end of story. DKs with sword and board have a 360 degree block. He may have also had a HoT on him, been an imperial (100 HPS via auto attacks), or you missed him hit a dragon blood after the opening.

Only way to beat a SnB DK as a NB is with range or sitting in your veil of blades.

He was using a staff and was casting spells (at another dude), no blocking.

TB1234

Pewpie wrote: »

Nuitar wrote: »

He was blocking, end of story. DKs with sword and board have a 360 degree block. He may have also had a HoT on him, been an imperial (100 HPS via auto attacks), or you missed him hit a dragon blood after the opening.

Only way to beat a SnB DK as a NB is with range or sitting in your veil of blades.

He was using a staff and was casting spells (at another dude), no blocking.

you can keep block up 100% of the time if you are casting instant abilities and have stam. One the many broken things in this game.

Wolfahm

User error.

lao

Pewpie wrote: »

lao wrote: »

what u expect u chose 2 horribly wrong morphs for the 2 most important skills a NB has.

dark cloak is *** terrible. get shadowy disguise. concealed weapon is so lala but surprise attack is ALOT better. use the correct morphs and u will do dmg.

Still hidden crouch opener should atleast hit him below 95% or?

well it depends. since u did the 2 most obvious things about the class wrong it is likely u made other mistakes aswell. like stacking stamina instead of magicka for example. he could have been blocking or throwing down a damage shield cos he anticipated you. also not every skill benefits from the sneak opener bonus. soul harvest f.e. does not. NB as a class has by FAR the highest single target dps if build properly. my NB is vr8 in complete crap gear and i 3-4 shot vr1 ppl on a regular basis.

lao

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

lao wrote: »

what u expect u chose 2 horribly wrong morphs for the 2 most important skills a NB has.

dark cloak is *** terrible. get shadowy disguise. concealed weapon is so lala but surprise attack is ALOT better. use the correct morphs and u will do dmg.

Lol, what? Dark Cloak is much better than shadowy disguise. I'll take a cleanse (even if it is bugged and only cleanses one DoT at a time) over a 100% crit chance that doesn't affect skills that are worth using.

Also concealed weapon is preferred in a pvp environment when movement is so incredibly important, especially considering the fact that surprise attack only affects physical damage, not spells, and overall is only worth about a 5% damage increase to those physical attacks.

The guy picked the right skills but used them at the wrong time. Here is a tip: Don't spam all of your abilities on someone that is blocking.

hi noob. please dont post on threads when u dont know what ur talking about. ty.