Any other 1-50 lvl players feel like canon fodder in PVP?

Schallen

I'm currently rolling a sorc alt after getting to VR6 on my other character.

I went into PVP at level 10, and got 2 shotted by VR12s pretty often. Anyone else frustrated with this?

Gisgo

Who is not frustrated by this?
I am frustrated and im VR12.
They should boost you to VR5, and i dont know what they are waiting for.

But my advice is to be realistic and level up to VR1.

Schallen

Gisgo wrote: »

Who is not frustrated by this?
I am frustrated and im VR12.
They should boost you to VR5, and i dont know what they are waiting for.

But my advice is to be realistic and level up to VR1.

Yeah i'm working on it. Haha.

I miss Beta PVP where everyone was pretty equal and it wasn't who can exploit the most.

Cogo

Nope, I use catapults and blow down enemy walls!

bitaken

How is the fact that people are VR 12 exploiting the fact that you are still level 10?

They should make a BG for all sub level 40 characters to go play in - you really are just cannon fodder taking up slots for the big boys to play in.

Schallen

bitaken wrote: »

How is the fact that people are VR 12 exploiting the fact that you are still level 10?

They should make a BG for all sub level 40 characters to go play in - you really are just cannon fodder taking up slots for the big boys to play in.

I agree. When i'm on my higher level character I can 1v3 lower level players. Its rediculous.

Dleatherus

I just rolled a NB alt who is now level 13 named Stands in Puddles - he entered Cyrodiil yesterday at level 10 and hasn't left since - no more PvE for him! - some of you on Skull Crusher and Celarus might have seen a large portly orc sailing gracefully through the air with the ambush ability



not only am I NOT frustrated, I'm having a blast!

sure i can get 2-3 hit killed by VR12's - and they have every right to do so having levelled their toons up

i don't even bother wearing any armor with him since the lowbie gear i wear has no effect after i get boosted up to level 50

it's MY choice whether to enter Cyrodiil at such a low level or not, and to accept the risks and rewards accordingly

with just a little patience (something that seems to be lacking in many gamers these days), i can wait for the right moment in a fight and use the couple of lowbie abilities that I have unlocked to my advantage - nothing sweeter than getting the killing blows in on a VR5-VR12 character with him

the survival and pvp skills I am learning with him right now at lowbie levels will put me at an advantage when i get to VR12

good job this isn't a full loot pvp sandbox - i'd hate to see the QQ's then!

D.

Gisgo

Omg dress up

Dleatherus

Gisgo wrote: »

Omg dress up

i can post a beer belly profile of him also if ya like

D.

Gisgo

Beer belly profile is ok, im up for a contest.
But dress up!

rotiferuk

bitaken wrote: »

How is the fact that people are VR 12 exploiting the fact that you are still level 10?
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Exactly

bitaken wrote: »

They should make a BG for all sub level 40 characters to go play in
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This would not solve anything. You would still get some lower level players complaining about the higher level players.

bitaken wrote: »

- you really are just cannon fodder taking up slots for the big boys to play in.

Lower level players can be effective, they just need to group, sneak and play smart. BTW, reaching VR level does not always indicate a skilled player or a strong build.

shanersimms_ESO

In Beta the PvP was successful and competitive because everyone was boosted to the same plateau. Stats for all players regardless their level/veteran rank should be boosted to max level. (VR12 stats at this time for example). The only edge that should be prevalent in Cyrodiil is higher ranks/levels have access to more skills. I'm VR9 and support this action.

Mitharus

Schallen wrote: »

I went into PVP at level 10, and got 2 shotted by VR12s pretty often. Anyone else frustrated with this?

Hey, at least you got 2 shotted. Wait till those damn Mages get you in their sights.

I went into PvP (initially around lvl 15 or so) knowing I was going to basically be cannon fodder until I hit at least v1 (and this was before the patch that up'd the NPC's to v5); And at level 42'ish now, yup I'm still mostly cannon fodder if I'm not in the middle of a group with a few vets in it.

But hey, as of now I attempt to play speed bump. Mostly stay ranged, but will off and on switch to melee. Still doesn't help much getting dragged into a small group of v5+, but I can at least, maybe, last a few seconds.

Dleatherus

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

In Beta the PvP was successful and competitive because everyone was boosted to the same plateau. Stats for all players regardless their level/veteran rank should be boosted to max level. (VR12 stats at this time for example). The only edge that should be prevalent in Cyrodiil is higher ranks/levels have access to more skills. I'm VR9 and support this action.

I disagree - in beta the campaigns were successful because they were populated

being a level 10 toon and wanting to go toe to toe with a VR12 is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever heard - as stated above i'm playing a level 13 toon in Cyrodiil

just use a little creativity and a little thought and you can be very effective - having played this toon already in low pop and med pop campaigns here are some tips as to how you can not only make it work, but have FUN and level at the same time - adapt them for your own class and play style

if you are running with a group of players hang out more at the back and let the higher ranks take the brunt of the initial exchange - i use a bow (you could use a destro or restro staff) and get in some very effective heavy attacks - when I see my target is weakening I use ambush and then the soul harvest ultimate - if things are a little hairy i use shadowy disguise and fall back in the mayhem - rinse and repeat

if you are in an underpopulated campaign defending a keep you can use the same tactics, but wait for the enemy to engage the npc guards before jumping in - remember you are low level and will need to to jump in/jump out quickly and often

i have even solo snuck along with guards patrolling outside a keep that has gone under attack and jumped folks either on siege weapons or running into the breach

and whether attacking or defending, you do just as much damage at level 10 using a siege weapon as a VR12 does

auto boosting everybody to VR12 would make actual leveling so boring and hollow because you wouldn't really be leveling your character as much as your skills

folks should try using this:


instead of always wanting this:


D.

cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO

No no no dont get us wrong, 10-50s are always valuable coz u guys prove that guts matter more than anything in pvp













Ok now heres our tactic. Stand in the middle of the field and pretend to look at the map. We'll be right by those rocks in case u got ambushed. Goooodddd boooyyyyyyy

Cody

Dleatherus wrote: »

I just rolled a NB alt who is now level 13 named Stands in Puddles - he entered Cyrodiil yesterday at level 10 and hasn't left since - no more PvE for him! - some of you on Skull Crusher and Celarus might have seen a large portly orc sailing gracefully through the air with the ambush ability



not only am I NOT frustrated, I'm having a blast!

sure i can get 2-3 hit killed by VR12's - and they have every right to do so having levelled their toons up

i don't even bother wearing any armor with him since the lowbie gear i wear has no effect after i get boosted up to level 50

it's MY choice whether to enter Cyrodiil at such a low level or not, and to accept the risks and rewards accordingly

with just a little patience (something that seems to be lacking in many gamers these days), i can wait for the right moment in a fight and use the couple of lowbie abilities that I have unlocked to my advantage - nothing sweeter than getting the killing blows in on a VR5-VR12 character with him

the survival and pvp skills I am learning with him right now at lowbie levels will put me at an advantage when i get to VR12

good job this isn't a full loot pvp sandbox - i'd hate to see the QQ's then!

D.

what if they exploited to VR12 in 3 days?:/

Cody

NookyZooky wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

I just rolled a NB alt who is now level 13 named Stands in Puddles - he entered Cyrodiil yesterday at level 10 and hasn't left since - no more PvE for him! - some of you on Skull Crusher and Celarus might have seen a large portly orc sailing gracefully through the air with the ambush ability



not only am I NOT frustrated, I'm having a blast!

sure i can get 2-3 hit killed by VR12's - and they have every right to do so having levelled their toons up

i don't even bother wearing any armor with him since the lowbie gear i wear has no effect after i get boosted up to level 50

it's MY choice whether to enter Cyrodiil at such a low level or not, and to accept the risks and rewards accordingly

with just a little patience (something that seems to be lacking in many gamers these days), i can wait for the right moment in a fight and use the couple of lowbie abilities that I have unlocked to my advantage - nothing sweeter than getting the killing blows in on a VR5-VR12 character with him

the survival and pvp skills I am learning with him right now at lowbie levels will put me at an advantage when i get to VR12

good job this isn't a full loot pvp sandbox - i'd hate to see the QQ's then!

D.

what if they exploited to VR12 in 3 days?:/
not everyone has the time to reach VR10 just to play PvP. Telling people to "go level" is wrong, as not everyone has the time, nor are they willing to use exploits to get there:/ im not saying make it to where a lvl 10 can kill a VR12 in a straight up fight, that is nonsense, im saying make it to where pre VRs can do something besides scout and use catapults the whole time. Let them at least be able to stand up to the Vr players, so they can still have some fun, and not get discouraged from PvP when they get killed din 2 shots by everything

Cody

wow. did I not just say EDIT? I did not say post an entire new comment. lol. My point is, Pre Vrs need to at least be able to stand up to high Vrs, meaning, they should be able to put up a fight, and not get 2 shotted. I, as a Pre VR, want to do something besides scout and shoot a catapult the whole time(im not a healer, my player clicking skills are not good enough for that. lol) Not everyone has the time to reach VR10+ just to play PvP, nor should people have to do that. The first 2 weeks of this games PvP were awesome. I died ALOT, but I still had a blast, cause I could actually participate in the PvP. now you cant do squat unless you are in a large zerg fest, or if you are Vr10+ with legendary gear.

shanersimms_ESO

Dleatherus wrote: »

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

In Beta the PvP was successful and competitive because everyone was boosted to the same plateau. Stats for all players regardless their level/veteran rank should be boosted to max level. (VR12 stats at this time for example). The only edge that should be prevalent in Cyrodiil is higher ranks/levels have access to more skills. I'm VR9 and support this action.

I disagree - in beta the campaigns were successful because they were populated

being a level 10 toon and wanting to go toe to toe with a VR12 is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever heard - as stated above i'm playing a level 13 toon in Cyrodiil

just use a little creativity and a little thought and you can be very effective - having played this toon already in low pop and med pop campaigns here are some tips as to how you can not only make it work, but have FUN and level at the same time - adapt them for your own class and play style

if you are running with a group of players hang out more at the back and let the higher ranks take the brunt of the initial exchange - i use a bow (you could use a destro or restro staff) and get in some very effective heavy attacks - when I see my target is weakening I use ambush and then the soul harvest ultimate - if things are a little hairy i use shadowy disguise and fall back in the mayhem - rinse and repeat

if you are in an underpopulated campaign defending a keep you can use the same tactics, but wait for the enemy to engage the npc guards before jumping in - remember you are low level and will need to to jump in/jump out quickly and often

i have even solo snuck along with guards patrolling outside a keep that has gone under attack and jumped folks either on siege weapons or running into the breach

and whether attacking or defending, you do just as much damage at level 10 using a siege weapon as a VR12 does

auto boosting everybody to VR12 would make actual leveling so boring and hollow because you wouldn't really be leveling your character as much as your skills

folks should try using this:


instead of always wanting this:


D.

You act as if none of the campaigns are populated, which in the case of Wabbajack, your logic fails. This campaign is populated most of the time currently and the issue is still present with the disparity between high VR's and lower level characters.

You also presume based on my solution that a Lvl 10 could go "toe-to-toe" with a v12 as you put it. Being that the level 10 would have very limited abilities to use, this wouldn't even be close to the case. The idea is to normalize the playing field so that encounters overall are fun and competitive. A handful of high VR's decimating a group of 10-15 low lvl characters isn't fun for either side.

cortechsnub18_ESO

I haven't pvp'd in weeks because of this. Last time I tried, I was 31 and my bow and catapults barely moved health bars. I was just free points.

The problem is that I need PvP to keep from burning out on PvE, but I can't PvP until I grind to VR12. I'm thinking about just giving up and playing something else.

Schallen

cortechsnub18_ESO wrote: »

I haven't pvp'd in weeks because of this. Last time I tried, I was 31 and my bow and catapults barely moved health bars. I was just free points.

The problem is that I need PvP to keep from burning out on PvE, but I can't PvP until I grind to VR12. I'm thinking about just giving up and playing something else.

Theres this wonderful game called Archeage..

cortechsnub18_ESO

Schallen wrote: »

Theres this wonderful game called Archeage..

Really? Rift was pretty much "raid or die". Can't imagine anything else coming out of that studio. Plus, Defiance was horribly run and maintained. I don't have much faith in Trion.

grim6falcon

I would like to just have the option to make a v1 pvp only character, with all skills leveled up. But the only negative thing is having around ~80 skill points and rank ups and the sky shards in pvp land be the only way of getting more skill points.

MasterSpatula

I really don't have much of a problem being cannon fodder for the VR12s. I have a bit more of a problem being cannon fodder for the mobs. I really wish they would bolster us to VR5.

I can have a lot of fun if there's action going on and I can tag along with some VRs. But if it's dead, there's nothing I can do solo, not even PVE, now that the mobs are all VR5.

Thechemicals

What they should have done is make a level 10-50 pvp campaign that is worth 30% of the total score and a vr1-v12 pvp of the same campaign for the rest of the score.

SirPuppingtonVonHat

A pre-VR only campaign is coming. Check the stickies.

MasterSpatula

That seems to be going in the wrong direction to me. The inclusiveness of everyone was one of ESO PVP's strengths to me.

Takanami

Felt like this with my other characters, but rolled a sorc, purelighting build and im doing quite well now. level 25 or so and i hit legionary rank

wpitterlb14a_ESO

MasterSpatula wrote: »

That seems to be going in the wrong direction to me. The inclusiveness of everyone was one of ESO PVP's strengths to me.

There will still be campaigns that allow both vet and non-vet players.

Sixunder

I tried PvP at level 10 on my NB and Sorc. Both couldn't take anyone above 50 (vrX) down past 9/10 life. For me, it wasn't a good indication of what character I would like to pursue more. I really only have time for 1 level 50 in an MMO. No opportunity for countless hours every night leveling and grinding to be competitive.

Simply, I did not get a good gauge as to either character. Taking a guess at what they will be like at vrX to me...is discerning. I guess it is no different than any other MMO other than one such as GW2. My issue was that if I was to play a NB, I would expect to kill faster since it seems bursty single target. With the sorc I would expect the same. Not being able to determine damage scale was my true concern.

Do I think level 10 characters should be able to hit as hard as vrX players? No
Do I think level 10 characters need to be buffed in RvR? Yes

I think the best solution would be to have 50+ RvR and have sub 50 RvR. I guess this could promote twinking in some fashion but is really the only thing I see as being viable.

Schallen

Sixunder wrote: »

I tried PvP at level 10 on my NB and Sorc. Both couldn't take anyone above 50 (vrX) down past 9/10 life. For me, it wasn't a good indication of what character I would like to pursue more. I really only have time for 1 level 50 in an MMO. No opportunity for countless hours every night leveling and grinding to be competitive.

Simply, I did not get a good gauge as to either character. Taking a guess at what they will be like at vrX to me...is discerning. I guess it is no different than any other MMO other than one such as GW2. My issue was that if I was to play a NB, I would expect to kill faster since it seems bursty single target. With the sorc I would expect the same. Not being able to determine damage scale was my true concern.

Do I think level 10 characters should be able to hit as hard as vrX players? No
Do I think level 10 characters need to be buffed in RvR? Yes

I think the best solution would be to have 50+ RvR and have sub 50 RvR. I guess this could promote twinking in some fashion but is really the only thing I see as being viable.

I agree. I think players need to be a bit more equal to each other. Even within VR ranks. Completely equal with damage? No. But enough to make it fun even when you're low level.

The classes definetly need to be balanced more. I would advise you to invest in a Sorc if you're going for PVP.