All hail AoE NB

Shiall

Simple build - power extraction = overcap weapon damage = aoe damage and unstable wall of elements + pulsar huge damage buff (yes this abilities damage scales from weapon damage - not from spellpower - and don't forget to softcap your magicka).
For last 2 slots you can use smth like Twisting Path ( for even more AoE damage) + immovable ( no one still cares about fact that squishies really like that ability and tanks are not - cuz they need a lot of stamina for blocking - heavy armor cant protect you anyway) or teleport strike as gap closer.
Ultimate - Veil of blades - now CAN crit...aoe 70% slow with 60%(!) damage reducton for you ( SUCK IT Standart of Might ! ) and 30% damage reduction for allies. (It works better with DK standart in same place)

NB rogue? don't make me laugh.

TheWired

I had to read a few times to understand what you wrote.
With a build like this you will die. PvE or PvP.
But you're probably trolling, so all good.

Shiall

I posted this i

TheWired wrote: »

I had to read a few times to understand what you wrote.
With a build like this you will die. PvE or PvP.
But you're probably trolling, so all good.

I posted this build in the alliance war - maybe it means that i'm talming about PvP? Maybe...

And if you don't know how works mass PvP - pls don't post your thoughts - it would be better for us both.

Mends_from_Shadows

You'll do a lot of AOE and then proceed to die instantly. That's basically what this build is in PvP.

Dekkameron

I'm not entirely sure of the point of using power extraction. I assume just for the extra targets? Otherwise sap essence would probably be more useful.

Shiall

Dekkameron wrote: »

I'm not entirely sure of the point of using power extraction. I assume just for the extra targets? Otherwise sap essence would probably be more useful.

more targets = more damage + better weapon damage buff

Shiall

Mends_from_Shadows wrote: »

You'll do a lot of AOE and then proceed to die instantly. That's basically what this build is in PvP.

this build not for solo - you must do huge huge damage and when you need to push or defend some point - use your ulti - 60% damage reduction for you +30% damage reduction for allies + aoe damage = dead enemy.
With standart+veil+smth else (ofc you have some DK in your party yes?) your group can wipe unlimited number of pug on the keep's flag or place like that. Only premade WB can kill you. ( and if you have WB too - only premade with emperor...maybe). Pug zerg can be dangerous only when it really outnumbers you on open ground - in other situations - free alliance points.

TheBull

It needs some tweeks, it doesn't do what you think it does in Cyrodiil. Keep tweeking you'll get there

Sidenote is VoB critting for you? I didn't see it crit once lastnight.

Animus0724

ok...a sorc can do it better though

Shiall

Animus0724 wrote: »

ok...a sorc can do it better though

oh really? how?

Shiall

TheBull wrote: »

It needs some tweeks, it doesn't do what you think it does in Cyrodiil. Keep tweeking you'll get there

Sidenote is VoB critting for you? I didn't see it crit once lastnight.

I already have AoE firestaff v12 DK melting people ( cuz heavy armor tanking useless) - i don't think that i can't do same thing as NB - if his skills isnt broken ofc ( but they was fixed...probably)

TheWired

Shiall wrote: »

I posted this i

TheWired wrote: »

I had to read a few times to understand what you wrote.
With a build like this you will die. PvE or PvP.
But you're probably trolling, so all good.

I posted this build in the alliance war - maybe it means that i'm talming about PvP? Maybe...

And if you don't know how works mass PvP - pls don't post your thoughts - it would be better for us both.

I saw where your post was before replying.
I've played mass PvP; in my opinion, this is a horrible build. You will do damage for one minute and die.

Infraction

Do you just plan to stand in small chokepoints? Because that's about the only time you will be semi useful.

Shiall

TheWired wrote: »

Shiall wrote: »

I posted this i

TheWired wrote: »

I had to read a few times to understand what you wrote.
With a build like this you will die. PvE or PvP.
But you're probably trolling, so all good.

I posted this build in the alliance war - maybe it means that i'm talming about PvP? Maybe...

And if you don't know how works mass PvP - pls don't post your thoughts - it would be better for us both.

I saw where your post was before replying.
I've played mass PvP; in my opinion, this is a horrible build. You will do damage for one minute and die.

Infraction wrote: »

Do you just plan to stand in small chokepoints? Because that's about the only time you will be semi useful.

Do you even seen any premade WB? There is only one effective tactic in this game - aoe train with immovable buff . And this build is great for that.

Shiall

Infraction wrote: »

Do you just plan to stand in small chokepoints? Because that's about the only time you will be semi useful.

TheWired wrote: »

Shiall wrote: »

I posted this i

TheWired wrote: »

I had to read a few times to understand what you wrote.
With a build like this you will die. PvE or PvP.
But you're probably trolling, so all good.

I posted this build in the alliance war - maybe it means that i'm talming about PvP? Maybe...

And if you don't know how works mass PvP - pls don't post your thoughts - it would be better for us both.

I saw where your post was before replying.
I've played mass PvP; in my opinion, this is a horrible build. You will do damage for one minute and die.

If you're right - all those aoe guys are useless - cuz they "do damage for one minute and die". But in fact this guys killing anyone on the way with small exception. Why? Because in this game (and in any other with mass pvp) aoe rules. And survivability - it's healer's business at first - you are dd - you must kill then.
P.S. Other NB specs are useless anyway - good only for ganking.

TheWired

Shiall wrote:

If you're right - all those aoe guys are useless - cuz they "do damage for one minute and die". But in fact this guys killing anyone on the way with small exception. Why? Because in this game (and in any other with mass pvp) aoe rules. And survivability - it's healer's business at first - you are dd - you must kill then.
P.S. Other NB specs are useless anyway - good only for ganking.

I apologize, must be that I didn't play enough mass AvA with my NB.
That's alright though, I've written down everything you suggested:
Slot only AoE skills for PvP, no heals or "oh-snap" escape button (not that we really have one anyway but...) and simply run in the middle of a group of enemies and spam all my AoE skills and they will all die (have faith!)

Also noting: no need to look at or worry about my HP bar. There are plenty of healers around when I PvP and they will always save me.

People who play "your style" of AoE in PvP are (or were) emperor/vampire/DKs/all of the aforementioned, pre-nerfs. The DPS skills you mention require you to be in the enemies' face (power extraction, pulsar) wearing light armor.
Immovable is not going to save you from multiple targets hitting you. Worst case scenario, you'll probably end up dead after casting wall of elements and twisting path, in which case nobody would have died yet. Best case scenario with multiple people following you around and healing you, you'll just be running around spamming your aoes while people snipe or crystal shard you to death.

The success to winning mass PvP is not to run in like a crazed zombie and spam your AoEs but be well coordinated with your team members and target the same people.

Shiall

TheWired wrote: »

Shiall wrote:

If you're right - all those aoe guys are useless - cuz they "do damage for one minute and die". But in fact this guys killing anyone on the way with small exception. Why? Because in this game (and in any other with mass pvp) aoe rules. And survivability - it's healer's business at first - you are dd - you must kill then.
P.S. Other NB specs are useless anyway - good only for ganking.

1. I apologize, must be that I didn't play enough mass AvA with my NB.
That's alright though, I've written down everything you suggested:
Slot only AoE skills for PvP, no heals or "oh-snap" escape button (not that we really have one anyway but...) and simply run in the middle of a group of enemies and spam all my AoE skills and they will all die (have faith!)

2. Also noting: no need to look at or worry about my HP bar. There are plenty of healers around when I PvP and they will always save me.

3. People who play "your style" of AoE in PvP are (or were) emperor/vampire/DKs/all of the aforementioned, pre-nerfs. The DPS skills you mention require you to be in the enemies' face (power extraction, pulsar) wearing light armor.
Immovable is not going to save you from multiple targets hitting you. Worst case scenario, you'll probably end up dead after casting wall of elements and twisting path, in which case nobody would have died yet. Best case scenario with multiple people following you around and healing you, you'll just be running around spamming your aoes while people snipe or crystal shard you to death.

4. The success to winning mass PvP is not to run in like a crazed zombie and spam your AoEs but be well coordinated with your team members and target the same people.

1. Enemy WILL all die. Ofc if you have 10+ (20+ party better but you have it right?) guys in voice chat who know what they must to do. Trash like guys with two-handers or melee rogues can't even be counted as enemies (1-2 aoe skills from all party members and they are all dead). Mages and archers can be dangerous in big numbers but your party would't stay on open ground against zerg yeah? Just run from one safe point to other and kill everyone on your way. Simple and effective.
2. PUG healers? REALLY?!
3. ofc those guys using the most effective strategy - but what are you expected from the emperor?
4. The success to winning mass PvP is run in and spam your AoE and be coordinated with your team members. - fixed. You're talking about ganking - not about mass pvp.

Mykah

Power Extraction and Pulsar is a interesting combo. Thanks for the post.

TheWired

Shiall wrote:

1. Enemy WILL all die. Ofc if you have 10+ (20+ party better but you have it right?) guys in voice chat who know what they must to do. Trash like guys with two-handers or melee rogues can't even be counted as enemies (1-2 aoe skills from all party members and they are all dead). Mages and archers can be dangerous in big numbers but your party would't stay on open ground against zerg yeah? Just run from one safe point to other and kill everyone on your way. Simple and effective.
2. PUG healers? REALLY?!
3. ofc those guys using the most effective strategy - but what are you expected from the emperor?
4. The success to winning mass PvP is run in and spam your AoE and be coordinated with your team members. - fixed. You're talking about ganking - not about mass pvp.

Alright, I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.
Looks like we have different opinions and ways to play the game.
At this point, it seems pointless to argue as it's not going to go anywhere.

NoMoreChillies

is there a video of this build in action?

Shiall

TheWired wrote: »

Shiall wrote:

1. Enemy WILL all die. Ofc if you have 10+ (20+ party better but you have it right?) guys in voice chat who know what they must to do. Trash like guys with two-handers or melee rogues can't even be counted as enemies (1-2 aoe skills from all party members and they are all dead). Mages and archers can be dangerous in big numbers but your party would't stay on open ground against zerg yeah? Just run from one safe point to other and kill everyone on your way. Simple and effective.
2. PUG healers? REALLY?!
3. ofc those guys using the most effective strategy - but what are you expected from the emperor?
4. The success to winning mass PvP is run in and spam your AoE and be coordinated with your team members. - fixed. You're talking about ganking - not about mass pvp.

Alright, I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.
Looks like we have different opinions and ways to play the game.
At this point, it seems pointless to argue as it's not going to go anywhere.

Correct

Beretic

fail NB is fail.

Arreyanne

Another Mage geez

Cody

There are ways to play besides being another AOE spammer you know. You could be a ganking player, you could be a stealthy hit and run player, you could snipe players from across the map, many other things. This is not WoW, where healers make you almost invincible. In this game, healing only does so much. Heck, you try this with the NPCs nowadays, you WILL be slaughtered(iv seen an NPC mage do 3028 damage, that cant be healed thru) not to mention thee hordes of Vr12s are very likely more powerfull, or close. Im not telling you, or even trying to get you, to not play this way. Im just saying you may end up dying before you actually accomplish anything.

Infraction

Shiall wrote: »

Infraction wrote: »

Do you just plan to stand in small chokepoints? Because that's about the only time you will be semi useful.

TheWired wrote: »

Shiall wrote: »

I posted this i

TheWired wrote: »

I had to read a few times to understand what you wrote.
With a build like this you will die. PvE or PvP.
But you're probably trolling, so all good.

I posted this build in the alliance war - maybe it means that i'm talming about PvP? Maybe...

And if you don't know how works mass PvP - pls don't post your thoughts - it would be better for us both.

I saw where your post was before replying.
I've played mass PvP; in my opinion, this is a horrible build. You will do damage for one minute and die.

If you're right - all those aoe guys are useless - cuz they "do damage for one minute and die". But in fact this guys killing anyone on the way with small exception. Why? Because in this game (and in any other with mass pvp) aoe rules. And survivability - it's healer's business at first - you are dd - you must kill then.
P.S. Other NB specs are useless anyway - good only for ganking.

It rules if you are interested in only killing groupless people with a lack of organization. Anyone else will just spread out and proceed to pound you into the dirt.

Cody

Infraction wrote: »

Shiall wrote: »

Infraction wrote: »

Do you just plan to stand in small chokepoints? Because that's about the only time you will be semi useful.

TheWired wrote: »

Shiall wrote: »

I posted this i

TheWired wrote: »

I had to read a few times to understand what you wrote.
With a build like this you will die. PvE or PvP.
But you're probably trolling, so all good.

I posted this build in the alliance war - maybe it means that i'm talming about PvP? Maybe...

And if you don't know how works mass PvP - pls don't post your thoughts - it would be better for us both.

I saw where your post was before replying.
I've played mass PvP; in my opinion, this is a horrible build. You will do damage for one minute and die.

If you're right - all those aoe guys are useless - cuz they "do damage for one minute and die". But in fact this guys killing anyone on the way with small exception. Why? Because in this game (and in any other with mass pvp) aoe rules. And survivability - it's healer's business at first - you are dd - you must kill then.
P.S. Other NB specs are useless anyway - good only for ganking.

It rules if you are interested in only killing groupless people with a lack of organization. Anyone else will just spread out and proceed to pound you into the dirt.

or just knock you on your butt and kill you before you can even get up

TheWired

Finally some common sense.
I was starting to think I was crazy.

Shiall

TheWired wrote: »

Shiall wrote:

1. Enemy WILL all die. Ofc if you have 10+ (20+ party better but you have it right?) guys in voice chat who know what they must to do. Trash like guys with two-handers or melee rogues can't even be counted as enemies (1-2 aoe skills from all party members and they are all dead). Mages and archers can be dangerous in big numbers but your party would't stay on open ground against zerg yeah? Just run from one safe point to other and kill everyone on your way. Simple and effective.
2. PUG healers? REALLY?!
3. ofc those guys using the most effective strategy - but what are you expected from the emperor?
4. The success to winning mass PvP is run in and spam your AoE and be coordinated with your team members. - fixed. You're talking about ganking - not about mass pvp.

Alright, I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.
Looks like we have different opinions and ways to play the game.
At this point, it seems pointless to argue as it's not going to go anywhere.

Correct

Infraction wrote: »

Shiall wrote: »

Infraction wrote: »

Do you just plan to stand in small chokepoints? Because that's about the only time you will be semi useful.

TheWired wrote: »

Shiall wrote: »

I posted this i

TheWired wrote: »

I had to read a few times to understand what you wrote.
With a build like this you will die. PvE or PvP.
But you're probably trolling, so all good.

I posted this build in the alliance war - maybe it means that i'm talming about PvP? Maybe...

And if you don't know how works mass PvP - pls don't post your thoughts - it would be better for us both.

I saw where your post was before replying.
I've played mass PvP; in my opinion, this is a horrible build. You will do damage for one minute and die.

If you're right - all those aoe guys are useless - cuz they "do damage for one minute and die". But in fact this guys killing anyone on the way with small exception. Why? Because in this game (and in any other with mass pvp) aoe rules. And survivability - it's healer's business at first - you are dd - you must kill then.
P.S. Other NB specs are useless anyway - good only for ganking.

It rules if you are interested in only killing groupless people with a lack of organization. Anyone else will just spread out and proceed to pound you into the dirt.

Just try to spread out when you need to defend second keep flag - i think it won't be easy fot you.

Cepeza

Pretty obviuosly a zerg fit buid. If you like it, go with it. Not bad, bur far away from a sorc AOE build dps-wise. NB ganker works better for me.

[EDIT] AOE and NB just ain't no friends imho.

Shiall

NookyZooky wrote: »

There are ways to play besides being another AOE spammer you know. You could be a ganking player, you could be a stealthy hit and run player, you could snipe players from across the map, many other things. This is not WoW, where healers make you almost invincible. In this game, healing only does so much. Heck, you try this with the NPCs nowadays, you WILL be slaughtered(iv seen an NPC mage do 3028 damage, that cant be healed thru) not to mention thee hordes of Vr12s are very likely more powerfull, or close. Im not telling you, or even trying to get you, to not play this way. Im just saying you may end up dying before you actually accomplish anything.

ofc you can be sniper or ganker or anything else - but in this game (and any other with mass pvp) rules organised people (especially wb+). And i think that this don't need someone like sniper (hm...maybe he can be useful in some situation...maybe) or melee with two-hander or dual wield (trash-nonfactor).

Cepeza

There was a topic by Jess around these forums for patch 1.2.1 dedicated specificly to changes and fixes for NB. Strange thing I can't find it anymore. Probabaly it has got removed because of lot of unfair response like "I don't need your fixes in 10 years, I expected this to work perfectly on lunch". Only thing I want to say is, please be patient people. They know that there is an arrow to the knee for NBs and they really put big efforts to fix and buff them. They'll start with minor stuff, like abilities are not used by too many people and procede with fixing the mains. Why? Because they do a step by step approach starting with minor changes, see the community response to that and procede with bigger changes. I like that because imho that kind of approach is more professional, than just generally do all changes in one patch and sort stuff out that is still not balanced for years after and explain every little issue to change controll board and management why you need to change something again, which you have changed already and what actually should be a closed subject. So it is a development there, not buff/nerf chaos.