Profanity

Coggage

People who use profanity serve as useful indicator to the rest of us. It's a sure indication that they aren't bright enough to be worth chatting to and certainly aren't mature enough to group up with. The resulting click to /ignore ensures I never have to see them display their lack of both an education and a worthwhile vocabulary ever again. Sheer bliss.

Slash8915

I believe the term is "Sentence Enhancer"

Mablung

dannymcgr81b14_ESO wrote: »

The M rating applies to what the developers put in the game. It doesn't apply to players. According to the Terms of Use you can be banned or suspended for profanity. It's at the discretion of ZOS.

This will happen trust me. It doesn't even have to be your normal curse word. I said boobies in chat and was reported and warned for my use of bad language which is against their Code of Conduct moreso than TOS.

Electus

Crumpy wrote: »

But you shouldn't be so offended by it!!!! It's your problem, not the words.

I am not offended by any bad language, its more of an annoyance for me personally.

Use words that are constructive to what you are trying to say.

Imagine like if you are like talking to like some one like this. <--That is what profanity is for me, its useless words that just take up space and get in the way of the point you are trying to make.

daneyulebub17_ESO

Don't think its just a few cuss words. An occasional f-bomb doesn't bother me. It's the conversations that grow more and more abusive, infantile and graphically scatological/sexual/perverse. A few words blocked out here and there won't fix it.

Going through the process of one-by-one "ignore"ing them is fine to a point, but by then you've already had to wade through it. And you have to do it constantly. These social-disorder types seem to breed like roaches.

To be clear: This kind of stuff is definitely against the TOS, and is no more appropriate than if I was to start shouting similar stuff in a department store (You know... private property open to the public but with its own rules as to what's allowed).

They need an easier way to click a name and report it in chat, complete with chat logging to grab the offending content is what they need. And a heavy ban hammer for repeated offenders.

Gwarok

Well isn't this [snip] [snip]ping [snip]ed [snip] just all [snip]ed up.

#OhMyVirginEars

(/sarcasm off.)

daneyulebub17_ESO

Gwarok wrote: »

Well isn't this [snip] [snip]ping [snip]ed [snip] just all [snip]ed up.

Ha! I get it--you responded with bleeped out words!
In a thread complaining about profanity!
That's just nuts! You are one perceptive, original guy!

Gwarok wrote: »

(/sarcasm off.)

/funny and /clever evidently off too.

Zaxq

GrimCyclone wrote: »

zgrssd wrote: »

SCSA wrote: »

To start it off, my apologies to all the people whom I have possibly offended in the zone chat by dropping a f-bomb. Even got in a fun little profanity filled skype chat. I know this chain of events isn't worthy of a topic, but the real matter on hands is.

How does this profanity in this game work? Since it's an M (for mature) labeled game, are we allowed to say 'damn' every once in a while? I'm curious.

The public street is labeled "M" because mature themes might happen there. Are you allowed to swear like a sailor there?

If you really want to swear, do it verbally without microphone on.
If you use /zone, guild or group channel you want others to hear you. You choose to risk offending others with it when you invest time to write it down. In the grown up world you suffer the consequences for your choices.
I am not peoples emotional garbage dump. If they try to make me to one, we have a disagreement. Your weapons are words, mine are ignore and report.

And before anybody tries the old fallacy: Freedom of Speech offers no protection. Your FOS is lower then my right to be not insulted and not annoyed by you.
And frankly it never applied to this game or the forum in the first place:
http://xkcd.com/1357/

What you truly want is censorship. You only want that to be said which you find agreeable. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoA8wBvIUAAG-Xn.jpg:large

Exactly that.

The paragons of virtue actively CHOOSE not to use the tools provided to protect their delicate eyes/ears from something that they know with 100% certainly WILL occur.

On top of that, lets say you get your very silly way - who decides what constitutes 'profanity/swearing'?

Some people dont think any words are that offensive and should be freely used, some people object to mild words (such as "bloody"). Who draws that line? What the pious folks are arguing for is censorship, a censorship that must fall within their view of how the world should be.

Also, for the oddball that says its irrelevant that children are playing an M rted game (and therefore the grown up should watch their language). I would suggest that strangers shouldnt have to watch their language to protect someone elses children. the PARENTS have the responsibility to ensure the children arent accessing material that they shouldnt be accessing (and in some countries it is illegal for them to do so).

I am not here to ensure your kids dont see bad things. Thats your job.

Jeremy

SCSA wrote: »

To start it off, my apologies to all the people whom I have possibly offended in the zone chat by dropping a f-bomb. Even got in a fun little profanity filled skype chat. I know this chain of events isn't worthy of a topic, but the real matter on hands is.

How does this profanity in this game work? Since it's an M (for mature) labeled game, are we allowed to say 'damn' every once in a while? I'm curious.


~Hyperius

Usually damn and hell are acceptable. For some reason the F word is regarded as more offensive. To me, profanity is harmless and just adds color to one's language. And I have quite a colorful mouth when I am talking in my element. But I do try to temper my words around those I know who find it offensive.





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Jimm_ay

"Fornicate off" is just so hard to type....

Spectrasoul

I've got no time for do gooders who are foaming at the mouth to report you for uttering so much as a "crud" and bursting with pride when they announce on the chat "Reported!"

Equally there is no place for those wanting to shoot their mouth off annoying everybody else.

Profanity has it's place but used all the time it loses its effectiveness. Kids who are old enough to talk know profanity and know that it's bad so that's a lame excuse. It's nice though that in general I don't see it used very often at all, I'd say this community is up there among the best I've experienced in MMO's.

In short; moderation is best, on both sides of the coin.

Zaxq

Coggage wrote: »

People who use profanity serve as useful indicator to the rest of us. It's a sure indication that they aren't bright enough to be worth chatting to and certainly aren't mature enough to group up with. The resulting click to /ignore ensures I never have to see them display their lack of both an education and a worthwhile vocabulary ever again. Sheer bliss.

You know who i think is unintelligent? People that use this tired old fallacy.

Shakespeare is littered with profanities, so are Chaucers works. So is Beowulf. So are many literary classics. Many of those authors are considered the best and brightest in their field.

There is no correlation whatsoever between how often you curse and how intelligent you are. Nor does it have anything at all to do with vocabulary development. I challenge you to show me conclusive (or any) evidence that proves a correlation between the two.

"Substance_Blue wrote:

People who resist cursing during argument, particularly on intellectual matters, are f****** pretentious *** who think it makes them look smarter. It doesn't. It makes them look like a pseudo-intellectual moron who's trying to sound like he's smarter than he really is.

The guy that said that was spot on.

Edit: missed the swear in the quote. Removed it.

kirnmalidus

Cerveny wrote: »

Electus wrote: »

I block people who use any type of profanity.
The constant use of profanity to me is a sign of a lack of intelligence and education.

dannymcgr81b14_ESO is right, ZOS set that up because they have standards.

Saying that ZOS has standards, really shows your education and intelligence. Just saying!

Just because they are low doesn't mean they don't have them.

SCSA

Coggage wrote: »

People who use profanity serve as useful indicator to the rest of us. It's a sure indication that they aren't bright enough to be worth chatting to and certainly aren't mature enough to group up with. The resulting click to /ignore ensures I never have to see them display their lack of both an education and a worthwhile vocabulary ever again. Sheer bliss.

Using profanity in a sentence isn't an indicator for intelligence. But that has been covered already.


Also this was a good read the past hour

Crumpy

*** em, that's what I say.

Falmer

I always kind of chuckle when people make the argument that "Mature" games means you can swear. Since actual 'Mature' players don't do it.

Its usually done by teenagers who also think squealing their tires at stop signs is also "cool".

That said, I don't care if you swear in public chat, as long as you don't mind me forming an opinion about you when you do it.

Tabbycat

I would say read the Terms of Use and Code of Conduct.

Check with the Guild(s) you are in in regards to their policies.

daneyulebub17_ESO

Zaxq wrote: »

Who draws that line? What the pious folks are arguing for is censorship, a censorship that must fall within their view of how the world should be.
...
I am not here to ensure your kids dont see bad things. That's your job.

Sheesh, I hate these knee jerk brainless pronouncements.

You don't want hard core x-rated content to be broadcast on network tv? You want censorship. You don't want people yelling fire in a movie theatre? Censorship. I can't put a billboard showing a person getting their head blown off on a public roadway? Censorship. Society is full of censorship.

And anyway, ZOS is a private company, not a government. They can do what they want in their own chat system, and impose whatever terms of service they like, and throw you out if you don't abide by it. Just as a convenience store can have me removed from it if I stand in the middle and start screaming the F-bomb.

And there's plenty of kids who's parents have no clue or don't care. Those kids are garbage we as a society should just ignore and not take even the most basic steps to protect? Nice. There's also parent's who did view the game, and made the decsion to allow their kids to play based on the content (I would certainly let my 13 year old play) but weren't exposed to the zone chat excesses.
So... the kids are just SOL? Because you can't be bothered to control your language or not engage in detailed, graphic conversations in the public chat?

Not to mention the fact that I, paying for a game, shouldn't have to wade through that garbage just to ask a question. Their's private (guild and tells) methods of communication available to you. There's no reason you can't keep it clean in the public one.

KaedianEQ

Crumpy wrote: »

On top of that, lets say you get your very silly way - who decides what constitutes 'profanity/swearing'?

Some people dont think any words are that offensive and should be freely used, some people object to mild words (such as "bloody"). Who draws that line? What the pious folks are arguing for is censorship, a censorship that must fall within their view of how the world should be.

ZOS

Ultimately theirs is the only opinion on the subject that matters on these forums or in their game.

Crumpy

I'm sure our sweet children hear far more profanity at school and among their peers than they do through computer games.

I REALLY don't think bad language heard/read in a game will ruin our younglings.

We're doing a good enough job at that through far more insidious means.

KaedianEQ

Falmer wrote: »

I always kind of chuckle when people make the argument that "Mature" games means you can swear. Since actual 'Mature' players don't do it.

Its usually done by teenagers who also think squealing their tires at stop signs is also "cool".

That said, I don't care if you swear in public chat, as long as you don't mind me forming an opinion about you when you do it.

I also get a chuckle out of guilds claiming to be mature guilds when 9 times out of 10 they're populated by 15-21 year olds behaving exactly as stereotyped.

daneyulebub17_ESO

Crumpy wrote: »

I'm sure our sweet children hear far more profanity at school and among their peers than they do through computer games.

I REALLY don't think bad language heard/read in a game will ruin our younglings.

We're doing a good enough job at that through far more insidious means.

Maybe you should read up a bit on fallacious arguments. Here's an example.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as

Qutayba

Profanity and rudeness are two different things. I'm fine with the former, but not so keen on the latter. Unfortunately, there's no way to create a filter or make hard and fast rules for weeding out rudeness.

GrimCyclone

Qutayba wrote: »

Profanity and rudeness are two different things. I'm fine with the former, but not so keen on the latter. Unfortunately, there's no way to create a filter or make hard and fast rules for weeding out rudeness.

That's the ironic thing about forum moderators and moderation in general. They're moderate the hell out of profanity, but they'll let rudeness reign all day.

If I ran things, I'd let anything go except for mean people. I'd moderate anything that was said by a meanie head. That way everyone had to be nice little lambs to each other. They can say F F F F F F F F F all they want, but they have to be nice to each other.

Now THAT would f'ing ENRAGE people. Strange huh? Yet that's justice.

Crumpy

daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »

Crumpy wrote: »

I'm sure our sweet children hear far more profanity at school and among their peers than they do through computer games.

I REALLY don't think bad language heard/read in a game will ruin our younglings.

We're doing a good enough job at that through far more insidious means.

Maybe you should read up a bit on fallacious arguments. Here's an example.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as

"If the argument is about ranking things from bad to worse then it's fine"

Sakiri

zgrssd wrote: »

SCSA wrote: »

To start it off, my apologies to all the people whom I have possibly offended in the zone chat by dropping a f-bomb. Even got in a fun little profanity filled skype chat. I know this chain of events isn't worthy of a topic, but the real matter on hands is.

How does this profanity in this game work? Since it's an M (for mature) labeled game, are we allowed to say 'damn' every once in a while? I'm curious.

The public street is labeled "M" because mature themes might happen there. Are you allowed to swear like a sailor there?

If you really want to swear, do it verbally without microphone on.
If you use /zone, guild or group channel you want others to hear you. You choose to risk offending others with it when you invest time to write it down. In the grown up world you suffer the consequences for your choices.
I am not peoples emotional garbage dump. If they try to make me to one, we have a disagreement. Your weapons are words, mine are ignore and report.

And before anybody tries the old fallacy: Freedom of Speech offers no protection. Your FOS is lower then my right to be not insulted and not annoyed by you.
And frankly it never applied to this game or the forum in the first place:
http://xkcd.com/1357/

Being insulted is a choice, and yes, I have right to swear up a storm on a public street. Not sure where you got that idea.

Ill also give you some advice: stop getting bent out of shape or offended by something stupid like profanity. Your sanity and blood pressure will thank you.

And Im not kidding. Once I stopped caring about what everyone else said and did that bothered me my doctor thanked me for doing whatever it was I did that dropped my stress level.

Sakiri

Tabbycat wrote: »

I would say read the Terms of Use and Code of Conduct.

Check with the Guild(s) you are in in regards to their policies.

My policy on language is simple.

No sexism, misogyny, racism or bigotry.
If youre being a tool, expect to be called on it.
Have a problem with my language? Theres the door.

Kiash

There's a filter. If it offends people they can turn it off. Words are words, if they hurt you, re-examine your thought process and life in general.

SDZald

A bad word dropped once in awhile, fine but there are some who do it on purpose to get attention and those are the ones that bug me and go on my ignore list. Frankly it is not that big a deal, I like being able to tell who is 10 years old, or acting like they are, so I know who to avoid

Rocksteady

daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »

Zaxq wrote: »

Who draws that line? What the pious folks are arguing for is censorship, a censorship that must fall within their view of how the world should be.
...
I am not here to ensure your kids dont see bad things. That's your job.

Sheesh, I hate these knee jerk brainless pronouncements.

You don't want hard core x-rated content to be broadcast on network tv? You want censorship. You don't want people yelling fire in a movie theatre? Censorship. I can't put a billboard showing a person getting their head blown off on a public roadway? Censorship. Society is full of censorship.

And anyway, ZOS is a private company, not a government. They can do what they want in their own chat system, and impose whatever terms of service they like, and throw you out if you don't abide by it. Just as a convenience store can have me removed from it if I stand in the middle and start screaming the F-bomb.

And there's plenty of kids who's parents have no clue or don't care. Those kids are garbage we as a society should just ignore and not take even the most basic steps to protect? Nice. There's also parent's who did view the game, and made the decsion to allow their kids to play based on the content (I would certainly let my 13 year old play) but weren't exposed to the zone chat excesses.
So... the kids are just SOL? Because you can't be bothered to control your language or not engage in detailed, graphic conversations in the public chat?

Not to mention the fact that I, paying for a game, shouldn't have to wade through that garbage just to ask a question. Their's private (guild and tells) methods of communication available to you. There's no reason you can't keep it clean in the public one.

If you let your kid play a game rated M then yes, they are SOL... See? Even you couldn't avoid using profanity(abbreviating it doesn't make it not profanity). Ratings are there because of people like you, I suggest you abide by them.