CASTING SPELLS WHILE BLOCKING
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Lionxoft✭✭✭✭✭
✭briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »For a start, fix it so stamina builds can do this, or that magicka builds can't. One or the other. Just stop favoring certain build archetypes!
Stam builds can in fact cast while blocking however it significantly depletes the available stamina pool. Multiple leeches (Blocking/Weapon Abilities/Sprint/Dodge Roll) from that one pool as compared to magicka which just has spells.
A little off-topic but a fantastic way for them to make stam builds relevant would be to give stamina abilities certain stam cost reduction based off of the amount of stam abilities currently slotted similar to the way that light armor reduces the cost of spells per piece of light armor equipped. Would be cool to see that as an addition to an armor passive.
Blocking and stam abilities will obviously still draw from the same resource pool but the impact will be significantly lightened.Edited by Lionxoft on 23 July 2014 17:160 -
BRogueNZ✭✭✭✭✭Block itself is odd if you think about it too much.
Holding your weapon up wouldn't really stop a magic based attack, unless it was magical shield but so why bother with the animation at all and why make it stamina based. A staff or bow blocking a melee swing would likely see it turned to kindling not over time as I suppose degradation covers but instantly.
Anyway. I forgive myself for blocking and casting as I am convinced that holding my weapon up in one hand to block and casting with the other is possible, simply because I am that skilled
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭If these things are "exploits" why has ZOS never mentioned them as exploits even though both have been widely used since the game was in beta? There have been hundreds of threads about both on this forum alone it isn't like they don't know about block casting and animation canceling. People really need to stop calling every design choice they don't like an exploit.
Never mentioned? Uhmm yes they have.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Thank you all for the details in this thread. We're looking into this.
And where exactly did they say anything about it being an exploit? They looked in to it and decided to do nothing about it or ever mention it again. Sounds to me like they 100% know about it and are fine with it.
There's a speed "hack" they are looking into as well. They have never called it an exploit either. Think they are also fine with that? Or you know, attempting to fix both?
They don't come out and call them exploits because both can happen quite innocently. Doesn't mean people don't exploit both issues. You can try and justify it all you want to. I really don't care.
If they thought animation canceling and cast blocking were exploits they would have said something. Both have been widely used and talked about since the first betas. They have always been part of the game. I'm pretty sure everyone knows hacking is an exploit it doesn't need to be mentioned as one it is adding extra files or programs to the game to break it. Nothing is broken with animation canceling or block casting it is the way they designed the game .. always has been and I have yet to see anything that even hints that they plan to change it.
Your just going to keep repeating the same thing and simply ignore my post...even though you quoted it. Lol that's just silly. I supposed the speed hack is ok then also? Buller....Buller...
Like I said hacking has nothing to do with this .. if you read mr buller? Hacking is adding programs or files to break the game. This is just a matter of playing the game exactly the way they developed it. Is it really that hard to understand?
As far as repeating just because you keep screaming exploit at the top of your lungs doesn't change anything it is still part of game design, patch after patch has gone by with no change, it isn't in the road ahead and there is not mention of ever trying to fix it. Everyone knows they are trying to change hacking .. which has absolutely nothing in any way to do with what we are talking about.
Lol so funny how you keep ignoring the fact that the speed hack has been in the game, never officially called a hack, gone unfixed patch after patch. If you just also admit that the speed hack is also intended because it's fits your criteria of that your using to justify animation canceling as being an intended feature.
Instead you get caught up on the term hack. Guess what? That's how it's referred to. It's why I used quotes when I first mentioned it. But you obviously would rather divert attention away from having to admit it fits your parameters of being attended as well. So you argue semantics. Lol
Can you speed hack without adding programs or files to the game to change the way it works?
Can you animation cancel and block without changing any file just by installing the game?
See the difference.... I like how you say "Speed hacking has never been called a hack" with no sense of irony..
You don't even know what I'm talking about do you? The speed hack requires no hacking. Its why I used quotes the first time.
So now you have to admit the speed hack is an intended feature since it fits all your parameters of animation canceling.
NO speed hacking takes changing game files to accomplish ..
NB's using a staff is an EXPLOIT EXPLOIT EXPLOIT .. it's an exploit now right I yelled it over and over.
Are you dense? I have told you it takes no changing any files. You continue to argue semantics because you know you would have to admit the pvp speed "bug/hack/whateveryouwanttocallit" is also intended. It's fits your criteria to justify animation canceling.
You are in a pickle. You can't remain consistent unless you call both intended. But calling the speed hack (yes common referred to name) ok would expose you for a complete moron, because everyone knows there's no way it's intended.
I'm sure I'll get some more semantic arguing and you'll just ignore everything else. Lol weak as hell.
Maybe you should have hit the bong a couple less times? If you really can't see the difference I kinda feel sorry for you.
Lol ad hominem as your last resort. I'm glad your so confident of your argument, you simply ignore mine. Good on you for at least not backing yourself in a corner, weak but smart none-the-less.
You have no argument you are purely arguing semantics and nothing more. There is no backed in to a corner. Animation canceling has nothing to do with speed hacks and the only person so far I have ever heard of putting the two together is you.
If you don't have the skills to animation cancel I'm sorry that sucks for you but yelling exploit and pointing out speed hacks as some sort of validation is just dumb.
The speed "bug", commonly referred to as "speed hack", is:
Not a true hack as in manipulation of files (as I have said ad nausea)
Has been acknowledged to be "looking into it"
Never been called an exploit officially.
Been around for months, never been fixed in a patch.
Discussed on these forums.
The exact same argument you used to justify animation canceling. So are they then both ok? Yes or no?
There are two different things a speed bug, something that happens sometimes often in PvP that just bugs your character and gives you super speed which is a known bug. My guess is this has to do with rapid maneuvers and I don't think there is a way to force this. This is not the "speed hack" it is a bug.
There is also a speed hack which was used by people mostly for gathering resources that had to do with changing files in the system.
Animation canceling as confirmed by ZOS not an exploit just part of game mechanics.
Dodging again. You are wrong. They are both acknowledge by ZOS as unintended.
Speaking of dodging you just changed form exploit to unintended .. when exploit was your catch phrase this entire time. As stated directly from ZOS it isn't an exploit but was unintended. Something being unintended in no way means they plan to change it and it definitely doesn't make it an exploit .. especially when they said word for word it wasn't an exploit.
The speed hack was an actual hack which is an entirely different thing than the speed bug which happens sometimes and is a known bug. I assumed with your superior knowledge you knew the difference between the speed bug and speed hack.1 -
Akula✭✭✭✭If these things are "exploits" why has ZOS never mentioned them as exploits even though both have been widely used since the game was in beta? There have been hundreds of threads about both on this forum alone it isn't like they don't know about block casting and animation canceling. People really need to stop calling every design choice they don't like an exploit.
Never mentioned? Uhmm yes they have.ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Thank you all for the details in this thread. We're looking into this.
And where exactly did they say anything about it being an exploit? They looked in to it and decided to do nothing about it or ever mention it again. Sounds to me like they 100% know about it and are fine with it.
There's a speed "hack" they are looking into as well. They have never called it an exploit either. Think they are also fine with that? Or you know, attempting to fix both?
They don't come out and call them exploits because both can happen quite innocently. Doesn't mean people don't exploit both issues. You can try and justify it all you want to. I really don't care.
If they thought animation canceling and cast blocking were exploits they would have said something. Both have been widely used and talked about since the first betas. They have always been part of the game. I'm pretty sure everyone knows hacking is an exploit it doesn't need to be mentioned as one it is adding extra files or programs to the game to break it. Nothing is broken with animation canceling or block casting it is the way they designed the game .. always has been and I have yet to see anything that even hints that they plan to change it.
Your just going to keep repeating the same thing and simply ignore my post...even though you quoted it. Lol that's just silly. I supposed the speed hack is ok then also? Buller....Buller...
Like I said hacking has nothing to do with this .. if you read mr buller? Hacking is adding programs or files to break the game. This is just a matter of playing the game exactly the way they developed it. Is it really that hard to understand?
As far as repeating just because you keep screaming exploit at the top of your lungs doesn't change anything it is still part of game design, patch after patch has gone by with no change, it isn't in the road ahead and there is not mention of ever trying to fix it. Everyone knows they are trying to change hacking .. which has absolutely nothing in any way to do with what we are talking about.
Lol so funny how you keep ignoring the fact that the speed hack has been in the game, never officially called a hack, gone unfixed patch after patch. If you just also admit that the speed hack is also intended because it's fits your criteria of that your using to justify animation canceling as being an intended feature.
Instead you get caught up on the term hack. Guess what? That's how it's referred to. It's why I used quotes when I first mentioned it. But you obviously would rather divert attention away from having to admit it fits your parameters of being attended as well. So you argue semantics. Lol
Can you speed hack without adding programs or files to the game to change the way it works?
Can you animation cancel and block without changing any file just by installing the game?
See the difference.... I like how you say "Speed hacking has never been called a hack" with no sense of irony..
You don't even know what I'm talking about do you? The speed hack requires no hacking. Its why I used quotes the first time.
So now you have to admit the speed hack is an intended feature since it fits all your parameters of animation canceling.
NO speed hacking takes changing game files to accomplish ..
NB's using a staff is an EXPLOIT EXPLOIT EXPLOIT .. it's an exploit now right I yelled it over and over.
Are you dense? I have told you it takes no changing any files. You continue to argue semantics because you know you would have to admit the pvp speed "bug/hack/whateveryouwanttocallit" is also intended. It's fits your criteria to justify animation canceling.
You are in a pickle. You can't remain consistent unless you call both intended. But calling the speed hack (yes common referred to name) ok would expose you for a complete moron, because everyone knows there's no way it's intended.
I'm sure I'll get some more semantic arguing and you'll just ignore everything else. Lol weak as hell.
Maybe you should have hit the bong a couple less times? If you really can't see the difference I kinda feel sorry for you.
Lol ad hominem as your last resort. I'm glad your so confident of your argument, you simply ignore mine. Good on you for at least not backing yourself in a corner, weak but smart none-the-less.
You have no argument you are purely arguing semantics and nothing more. There is no backed in to a corner. Animation canceling has nothing to do with speed hacks and the only person so far I have ever heard of putting the two together is you.
If you don't have the skills to animation cancel I'm sorry that sucks for you but yelling exploit and pointing out speed hacks as some sort of validation is just dumb.
The speed "bug", commonly referred to as "speed hack", is:
Not a true hack as in manipulation of files (as I have said ad nausea)
Has been acknowledged to be "looking into it"
Never been called an exploit officially.
Been around for months, never been fixed in a patch.
Discussed on these forums.
The exact same argument you used to justify animation canceling. So are they then both ok? Yes or no?
There are two different things a speed bug, something that happens sometimes often in PvP that just bugs your character and gives you super speed which is a known bug. My guess is this has to do with rapid maneuvers and I don't think there is a way to force this. This is not the "speed hack" it is a bug.
There is also a speed hack which was used by people mostly for gathering resources that had to do with changing files in the system.
Animation canceling as confirmed by ZOS not an exploit just part of game mechanics.
Dodging again. You are wrong. They are both acknowledge by ZOS as unintended.
Speaking of dodging you just changed form exploit to unintended .. when exploit was your catch phrase this entire time. As stated directly from ZOS it isn't an exploit but was unintended. Something being unintended in no way means they plan to change it and it definitely doesn't make it an exploit .. especially when they said word for word it wasn't an exploit.
You cant help but fall back on arguing semantics. But just as a reminder:
Of course it isn't intended. The idea of having to wait for an animation to complete is the mechanic in place to avoid using a global cooldown.
They don't come out and call them exploits because both can happen quite innocently. Doesn't mean people don't exploit both issues.Edited by Akula on 23 July 2014 17:321 -
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✭Speaking of dodging you just changed form exploit to unintended .. when exploit was your catch phrase this entire time. As stated directly from ZOS it isn't an exploit but was unintended. Something being unintended in no way means they plan to change it and it definitely doesn't make it an exploit .. especially when they said word for word it wasn't an exploit.
The speed hack was an actual hack which is an entirely different thing than the speed bug which happens sometimes and is a known bug. I assumed with your superior knowledge you knew the difference between the speed bug and speed hack.
Not sure if you're just trolling or unable to understand a basic point.
It's not an exploit no, you're correct. It is however unintended and you have claimed a number of times that it is intended. You are wrong, get over that and accept when you're wrong.
You also keep moving the goal posts in every post you make. Your entire point was that they said they were aware of the issue and then because they didn't speak of it again then they never would, you pretty much implied this proved your entire argument, which was a very weak argument (you were also wrong, they did and it showed you were wrong, there ARE other pictures, I could continue you embarrass you), he only raised the point of speed hacking to show you that your point was a flimsy one at best.
You sound like a child who won't back down. Take a breath and chill out, you were wrong, but even so are correct that it isn't an exploit. Get over it, we're all wrong sometimes, even Einstein.3 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭The speed hack can't happen quite innocently it was a hack that took changing system files. The speed bug can happen and that is a bug and yes you can exploit this if it happens to happen to you, but I was never talking about the bug I was talking about the hack.
Zos stated that animation canceling isn't an exploit so what is your argument exactly? You can't exploit it you just use it, it is part of the game even if it gets your panties in a bunch.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Can we please only necro good threads?"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle2 -
Lionxoft✭✭✭✭✭
✭MasterSpatula wrote: »Can we please only necro good threads?
The topic itself is good. The conversation direction is bad.1 -
cracker81✭✭✭Lol I love running into these ppl. I watched 3 of my allies spam all their stuff and died. Then I charged in and did light attacks and he could not block anymore = game over. QQ it just comes down to L2P1 -
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✭Lol I love running into these ppl. I watched 3 of my allies spam all their stuff and died. Then I charged in and did light attacks and he could not block anymore = game over. QQ it just comes down to L2P
So in other words all you did was kill someone that had already fended off 3 of your allies by doing nothing but holding block? Just want clarity on that if you would be so kind.1 -
Fi'yra✭✭✭When you next turn on your monitor expect these steps -
* Bright Screen
* My sudden self popping out of your screen
* My sudden self slapping you
* My sudden self calling you stupid
When are you all going to learn you can't have the game 100% the way you want.
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sagitter✭✭✭✭✭for me blocking and casting should be 2 different ways of play, 1 defensive 1 offensive, doing it at the same time is too easy.1 -
Basic principle regarding exploits should be that ZOS has to shut down those in period of 3 days or to issue official statement that and that kind of activity is exploit with consequences.
If shooting over the block and normal attacks canceling are not addressed from side of the ZOS for last 4 month than for sure it is not exploit.
I would like to see balance in this game and therefore if magica builds can shoot through block then stamina builds should be able to do so as well.
Regarding block using stamina as resource and that puts stamina builds in underdog position - obviously that issue should be addressed as well but we have to take in consideration that there are lot of protective spells which are using magic and depleting magic pool so its not one way street.
Animation canceling is applying to all players and from my perspective can stay as it is specially if they balance and tune up animations across the board.1
