Should ESO get a total revamp like the 1st FF XIV? What do you think?

brisingr90

I just wondering, since more than 50% people doesn't like the way ESO now, and many people have quit the game... Should ESO get a total redesign just like the old FF XIV?

What do you think if ZOS decide that ESO will get a total redesign? do you agree or not?

Urmi

Yeah i do

smokes

i wouldn't count it out as a possibility.

a total re-design isn't completely necessary, but some stuff has to change.

brisingr90

Well, for me, I don't mind if I have to wait 1-2 years if ZOS decide they will redesign this game... too many things have to change... and patching only take a small impact for the development of this game.

Turelus

No, if you don't like the way the game is don't play it and find an MMO which you like the play style of. They don't need to rewrite an entire MMO because some people don't like it, what about the less than 50% who do like the game right now, they have to have the game become something they don't like because those who didn't like it insist it must change for them?

If you don't like the way a car handles do you go and insist the manufacturer recall them all and remake them to handle how you like, no you go and buy a car which handles the way you want. Yes I make terrible analogies.

I'm not sure where you get you figures of more than 50% don't like the game either, the only people who would have access to that data and it being reliable is ZOS themselves.
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etupa

huhuh... actually I was playing V1 with pleasure and don't like this WoWish V2... so.
Imporvement yes, redesign no.

Laurai

While I wonder how you came up with that number...I doubt the possibility of a relaunch à la FFXIV simply because they're not Square Enix. I don't think that a relaunch will be necessary though.

brisingr90

Laurai wrote: »

While I wonder how you came up with that number...I doubt the possibility of a relaunch à la FFXIV simply because they're not Square Enix. I don't think that this is necessary though.

There are many poll about this. you can search PvE discussion or General Discussion. And ah, my national guild have 130 members, and now only 15 people still playing daily, and maybe 30ish monthly. the rest is gone.

netsike

YES! They should make a normal MMO out of ESO:

- nameplates and guild names what players can toggle on/off
- removing the stupid veteran ranks and change the content
- complete class rewamp and rebalance
- other PvP possibilites for example on the enemy alliance maps instead of grinding the same quests and betray your own alliance...
- token system for the dungeons, so its not completely unnecessary to do them
- if they want to make a tier system, then do it with gears and not with levels!
- etc...

Turelus

brisingr90 wrote: »

Laurai wrote: »

While I wonder how you came up with that number...I doubt the possibility of a relaunch à la FFXIV simply because they're not Square Enix. I don't think that this is necessary though.

There are many poll about this. you can search PvE discussion or General Discussion. And ah, my national guild have 130 members, and now only 15 people still playing daily, and maybe 30ish monthly. the rest is gone.

The polls on the forums do not represent the entire subscriber base. It's been stated and proven many times in MMO's that the forums will always see more players dissatisfied with the game because it's a place they can come to vent their frustrations.
A happy player without concerns will generally be playing and enjoying the game rather than spending time posting on forums.

You single guild doesn't represent the entire playerbase either, the game runs over two megaservers and most MMO's these days will see a large influx of players during the first month which falls off as players who didn't like the game leave for others they will enjoy.

Which goes to the points of my post, why should those who enjoy the game be forced to play something they might not enjoy just to appease those who don't like the core fundamentals of the game?

Arreyanne

I think alot of people and this is just a guess, are going to see if they (ZEo) actually fix anything before the next content patch 4-6 weeks out.

1.1.2 did it for me with the promised fixes to several class skill lines that were not included

Apricot

I don't think it would help matters. If you like this game keep playing it, if you don't unsub and move on. It's not going to get better. It really isn't.

There are like, two small things I like about this game anymore. No one I know who's left would ever come back for any reason. It's just left too big of a sour taste. I know I will never play another ZeniMax game.

mutharex

Aside from the fantasy numbers you quote, 1.0 was horrible:if people tell you it flopped because it didn't have an AH or stuff like that, is because they are just trolling. The menus took 1-2 MINUTES to open for chrissake.... between other technical problems

And no, I hope they keep ESO like it is:fresh, original and no-dumb-friendly

Laurai

brisingr90 wrote: »

Laurai wrote: »

While I wonder how you came up with that number...I doubt the possibility of a relaunch à la FFXIV simply because they're not Square Enix. I don't think that this is necessary though.

There are many poll about this. you can search PvE discussion or General Discussion. And ah, my national guild have 130 members, and now only 15 people still playing daily, and maybe 30ish monthly. the rest is gone.

I get your point but the polls on the forum and the ppl in your guild don't represent "more than 50%" of the ESO playerbase.

Harakh

It seems they underestimatet the MMO business. They are totally overwhelmed by the workload they have now.

Maybe the game released to early or the game had the wrong tester, or the wrong guys who worked with the testers.

I like this MMo very much the landscapes, fighting even the PvP but there a some things that need urgently be fixed or changed.


EU Server need to stand in EU especially in an action based combat game with doging and blocking

Balancing need to be fixed quickly cause now two classes dominate in PvE and PvP. NB a broken class get not fix till 3 month are over.

Bugfixes in Quest need to be done, i have a guildmate who cannot finish cadwell silver since 1 Month!

They need way more communication with the player dive in to the discussion with the players and fine tunning the classes or creat new content.

Make a test realm, and maybe rewards on the live Server, for people testing for you .

In my opinion this game should stop now and relaunch with the Konsole start End of the year.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

brisingr90 wrote: »

I just wondering, since more than 50% people doesn't like the way ESO now, and many people have quit the game... Do you think ESO will get a total redesign just like the old FF XIV?

What do you think if ZOS decide that ESO will get a total redesign? do you agree or not?

And where is FF14 now ? Its better, but not a lot..
NO BIG NO, go play another MMO if you dont like it

mutharex

netsike wrote: »

YES! They should make a normal MMO out of ESO:

- nameplates and guild names what players can toggle on/off
- removing the stupid veteran ranks and change the content
- complete class rewamp and rebalance
- other PvP possibilites for example on the enemy alliance maps instead of grinding the same quests and betray your own alliance...
- token system for the dungeons, so its not completely unnecessary to do them
- if they want to make a tier system, then do it with gears and not with levels!
- etc...

The horror... the horror...

KerinKor

brisingr90 wrote: »

I just wondering, since more than 50% people doesn't like the way ESO now, and many people have quit the game... Do you think ESO will get a total redesign just like the old FF XIV?

What do you think if ZOS decide that ESO will get a total redesign? do you agree or not?

This 50% comes from where, exactly? Where the sun doesn't shine perhaps? And does the "many people have quit" comment come from the same place?

Did you play FFXIV V1 or are you simply spouting something you have no understanding of, because frankly it's vacuous to refer to FFXIV V1 and ESO as having anything in common at all.

Nazon_Katts

Considering most of the problems stem from design choices and technology the game bases on, pulling the plug and going back to the drawing board should be the most effective route to make a better game. But as long as there's less risky ways, like adjusting the payment model, to make a profit, I doubt we'll see such drastic measures.

Besides, the first iteration of FFXIV was in a way worse state than ESO currently is in. Ultimately, it depends on wether ZOS allows things to get worse or if they manage to solve the many problems in time. However, there's so many game systems that would work quite well with a cash shop, that I'm pretty sure their plan B always has been F2P/B2P or Freemium.

ShintaiDK

The entire balancing part needs a complete redesign. Its so incredible broken that its impossible to fix without redesigning multiple skilllines. Plus possible add restrictions to classes.

I do wonder how ESO ended this way. If its because Zenimax is simply not up to the task. Or if PTS testers simply have fooled around with Zenimax to get their way of playing with their classes while the abuse any exploits and bugs they found in patches when released. As it stands right now, its more than a mammoth task to rescue this game. And I think a lot of the people unsubscribing is seeing the same. This game must have been on the wrong track for a really long time in development.

The console version is also postponed 6+ months. And with this rate I doubt it ever releases.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Nah. I like the game. If they took it down for a year or so to 'fix' it i wouldnt come back, because in a year or so ill be playing something else.

There is also nothing so broken that it needs to be completely redone. There are things out of balance, but i cant think of anything i would consider broken. I know i know i will now get a long list of things people say are broken.

Catflinger

brisingr90 wrote: »

I just wondering, since more than 50% people doesn't like the way ESO now,

Where do people like you get these statistics? I mean, really? Do you work for ZOS or the parent company or what? Tell us, please!

Arreyanne

The option to take it down open it as a beta, fix some of the glaring issues, and some of the not so glaring one, and re-release with the console might be better for some worse for others.

What it really comes down to however is not what you or I, the customer thinks, It comes to a decision by the guys in the suits.

If they think they can milk enough money to show a profit by the end of the year and then have the console release, you can bet the farm that's what's going to happen. No matter if anything gets fixed or new content gets released, suits don't give a hoot nor a holler about anything but the bottom line.

If the bottom line is in the black, they pat themselves on the back and think up new ways to cut cost and make that black number bigger. If it's red it's not their decisions that failed, but the people in the trenches didn't support them therefore it's there fault.

So nothing drastic is going to happen unless the suits get scared it's going to go into the red.

Bottom line money talks, BS walks

bugulu

brisingr90 wrote: »

There are many poll about this. you can search PvE discussion or General Discussion. And ah, my national guild have 130 members, and now only 15 people still playing daily, and maybe 30ish monthly. the rest is gone.

Pulling up numbers and claiming them to be true basing it on polls is not very smart, is it?

The forums generally attract people that have problems and thus will also vote negatively in a poll. It's like asking people in a car service if they are satisfied with their car, you will end up with mostly negative answers and the conclusion of that poll is close to worthless.

For perspective, my guild has bit over 300 accounts and we have lost maybe 15-30 players. That's less than 10%.

brisingr90

Catflinger wrote: »

brisingr90 wrote: »

I just wondering, since more than 50% people doesn't like the way ESO now,

Where do people like you get these statistics? I mean, really? Do you work for ZOS or the parent company or what? Tell us, please!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/103559/are-you-considering-or-already-canceling-your-subscription-post-patch/p1

and there is one more, but I am too lazy to find it.

800+ people I think can make a good sample about what is going on. There is 59% of people that pretty much dislike about ESO now. And maybe more, since the retired players mostly doesn't come to forum anymore. And for those who still visit forum even though has quit, maybe deep inside they still have hope about the future of this game.

Well, but that is just my opinion. I never intend to get so much heat...

Ser Lobo

netsike wrote: »

YES! They should make a normal MMO out of ESO:

- nameplates and guild names what players can toggle on/off
- removing the stupid veteran ranks and change the content
- complete class rewamp and rebalance
- other PvP possibilites for example on the enemy alliance maps instead of grinding the same quests and betray your own alliance...
- token system for the dungeons, so its not completely unnecessary to do them
- if they want to make a tier system, then do it with gears and not with levels!
- etc...

If they did that ... Why the HELL would we play ESO?

mutharex

brisingr90 wrote: »

Catflinger wrote: »

brisingr90 wrote: »

I just wondering, since more than 50% people doesn't like the way ESO now,

Where do people like you get these statistics? I mean, really? Do you work for ZOS or the parent company or what? Tell us, please!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/103559/are-you-considering-or-already-canceling-your-subscription-post-patch/p1

and there is one more, but I am too lazy to find it.

800+ people I think can make a good sample about what is going on. There is 59% of people that pretty much dislike about ESO now. And maybe more, since the retired players mostly doesn't come to forum anymore. And for those who still visit forum even though has quit, maybe deep inside they still have hope about the future of this game.

Well, but that is just my opinion. I never intend to get so much heat...

Didn't vote in that poll and I suppose most people didn't so it's worthless.
[Edit, removed: Baiting]

steveb16_ESO46

Harakh wrote: »

It seems they underestimatet the MMO business. They are totally overwhelmed by the workload they have now.

Maybe the game released to early or the game had the wrong tester, or the wrong guys who worked with the testers.

There were 3 basic problems.

First - the mass beta stress tests uncovered fundamental flaws with the phasing technology but the release date was set in stone by that time.

Second - by design the game just doesn't want you to group up except when it wants you to under very precise circumstances. And even that wasn't working properly in the mass beta.

Third - they amount of client side implementation, coupled with no hacking defenses on top of a game design (open public dungeons etc etc) left the game defenseless against mass botting.

The first problem should have immediately led to the game launch being delayed. The second - well who knows what they were thinking. Third - just stunning naivety.

And maybe a fourth problem is the sudden and specious switch from an interesting, well paced story line to a slow sullen grind through the other factions stories for no good reason.

This has come close to being a great game but the obstacles to grouping remain built into the phasing, the botting remains completely out of control and grinding remains the end game.

I think it's beyond their ability to salvage. I'm going to have a good time levelling to 50. Maybe run some faction alts but I'm just not interested in grinding or spending each evening looking for random groups because the phasing tech stops experienced guild mates or friends helping.

I'll have had a lot of fun but there's not enough to hold my custom after finishing the story.

If I could wave a magic wand I'd let anyone group at any time with anyone.

I'd instance all dungeons and plot locations.

I'd abolish VR and just have each faction's story continue into the other areas. I think they have grossly misjudged the size of the market for hard-core group grinding end-game PvE.

But like I said - a fun game i'm glad i will have played through. Just not the long term investment I was hoping for unless some very drastic changes happen. And like you I don't think they are up to it.

bugulu

brisingr90 wrote: »

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/103559/are-you-considering-or-already-canceling-your-subscription-post-patch/p1

and there is one more, but I am too lazy to find it.

800+ people I think can make a good sample about what is going on. There is 59% of people that pretty much dislike about ESO now. And maybe more, since the retired players mostly doesn't come to forum anymore. And for those who still visit forum even though has quit, maybe deep inside they still have hope about the future of this game.

Well, but that is just my opinion. I never intend to get so much heat...

And the people who are happy with the game rarely has reason to check on the forums. Polls like that doesn't reflect the general opinion (Not to mention that the poll was pretty biased).

CapuchinSeven

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

Ezrith

I don't think the game needs a total revamp but I would enjoy it a LOT more if some changed were made.

The VR content needs to be something else then reheated quest from other alliances, make the pve endgame a continuity of our faction!

I would prefer skill lines to choose from then being restricted in a class, or make more skill lines for the current classes.

While I do not want an Auction House, a bazaar location where players could gather to haggle their wares to other would be nice. Maybe an option to see what the players have to sell by clicking on them? I don't get the guild store thing.

Of course there are many other things that I would love to see changed or added to ESO, but those 3 points are for me, the important things. I saw friends left the game, I see guildmates not logging on anymore. Sure a game loose customers in the first months but it seems to be quite a large number, my friends usually stick to at least 6 months+ with a game. with ESO they are already gone!