Is it not allowed to enjoy ESO?

Cogo · May 2014

Why is it almost a crime to say you are enjoying the game?

I like forums because it creates a community, gives feedback to Zenimax and interaction between players. I want to hear opinions from everyone. Even those who I don't agree with. I might learn something I missed?

Sure, ESO have its problems, but they are working on them. The even created a forum where you can see what statements DEVS have done?

It seams each time I am not agreeing that a fix was needed to X skill or anything that has anything else then being negative against ESO and/or Zenimax I get jumped by a mob......

I base my opinion on ESO by my game experience and the statements Zenimax are doing about their plans for the game.

Oh, I am not talking about anyone who don't agree with me. That's great.
I am talking about the almost furious additude I get when I say anything positive.

Are you only allowed to post here if you have a complaint or something?

Oblongship · May 2014

Are you complaining about people having different views in a public forum?

Take it as feedback for the devs even if you are the outlet people scream at...

If they weren't screwing up royally the outcry and rage would be no where near the levels it is now.

Haxer · May 2014

Oblongship wrote: »

Are you complaining about people having different views in a public forum?

Take it as feedback for the devs even if you are the outlet people scream at...

If they weren't screwing up royally the outcry and rage would be no where near the levels it is now.

Don't listen to this guy OP. I am completely with you. I am enjoying the game to no end, and can't get enough of it. There are some issues, to which I am seeing pretty quick response (example most quest bugs fixed almost immediately) and I am very pleased. People forget, don't know, or don't care that relative to every other MMO launch in history this has been a cake walk, and a rousing success.

To answer your question, I would say that in my experience, there has never, in the history of gaming, been a game's forum where people didn't rage and QQ and say how bad it was. Ever. And this is no different. People like attention, and people have a lot of anger at their own lives, and this is just a place to take it out on and feel heard. Instead of seeking positive community, they get that sense of community of all being bitter butthurts together.

Constructive feedback is a great thing, and not what I am referring to. Take a look at the front page, and see how "constructive" it is. It's just rage trolls issueing ultimatums about quitting. Saw one today called "fix lag or ESO will shut down".

It's just nonsense.

Cogo · May 2014

As I said, I am not talking about anyone who disagrees with me. Thats one of the reason I use forums. Someone disagrees, explains why and maybe we discuss it. Maybe I was wrong in whatever subject and this way you learn, or at least gets to see the subject from other peoples view.

I welcome disagreements. And no....I wount tell papa Zenimax when someone being "mean".

As my question states, why is it almost a crime to enjoy ESO?

jdoe · May 2014

Outside of very minor inconveniences (having to log out / log in a few times during first few week or two because of missing quest prompts) I have had almost no issues.
I have experienced no log in issues.
I have experienced no lag issues.
I play on the NA server for the AD faction.
I like that rare motifs are rare, I wish that more stuff was.
I like that I get to play all factions quests during the VR leveling, given I paid for it.
I like that it takes a really long time to level in VR, as I felt it pointless to use my crafting skills in levels < 50.
I play more on the PVE side than PVP, and have no problem at all if PVP oriented folks choose to grind their way up to VR12 instead of quest.
I like that Armour less than 50 doesn't look as good as VR armor.
I like that there is no global auction house, as it has made me interact with other players more, and provides a small buffer to the overall economy.
Outside of my brief periods in coldharbor, I have seen relatively few bots since being in the really low level zones.
In the VR zones, I never see bots camping resources/bosses.
I have no trouble, at all, finding resource nodes. I have most of my crafting skills at 50.
I did experience the memory leak, however it did not severely interrupt my playing other than needed to relog once every few hours.
I did experience about half a day of getting one-shotted in VR zones. I'm glad difficulty was returned, but honestly my skill level went up more that half day the entire period up until that point.
I receive maybe a gold spam mail message once a day, and outside of that, I would likely have little reason to know they exist.

As a result of the above, I love the game, and am very happy I subbed for 6 months. I understand if the above hasn't been your experience, your views may differ; but likewise my views don't make me a cultish fanboy.

Bolo_Bob · May 2014

you cant have fun you need to L2P noob, because this is serious business.

also joke posts are not allowed due to serious business.

think before you post and <insert other try hard insult>.

1 more thing you cannot disagree with anyone on these forums or the universe will explode in your face.

ps. im already breaking the no joke post rule...

terence.caroneb17_ESO · May 2014

I'm still waiting on proof about the "they're working on it" part. Also, you're allowed to have fun in the game, but you need to be DK/Sorc or maybe NB, but certainly not Templar right now.

Oblongship · May 2014

Haxer wrote: »

Oblongship wrote: »

Are you complaining about people having different views in a public forum?

Take it as feedback for the devs even if you are the outlet people scream at...

If they weren't screwing up royally the outcry and rage would be no where near the levels it is now.

Don't listen to this guy OP. I am completely with you. I am enjoying the game to no end, and can't get enough of it. There are some issues, to which I am seeing pretty quick response (example most quest bugs fixed almost immediately) and I am very pleased. People forget, don't know, or don't care that relative to every other MMO launch in history this has been a cake walk, and a rousing success.

To answer your question, I would say that in my experience, there has never, in the history of gaming, been a game's forum where people didn't rage and QQ and say how bad it was. Ever. And this is no different. People like attention, and people have a lot of anger at their own lives, and this is just a place to take it out on and feel heard. Instead of seeking positive community, they get that sense of community of all being bitter butthurts together.

Constructive feedback is a great thing, and not what I am referring to. Take a look at the front page, and see how "constructive" it is. It's just rage trolls issueing ultimatums about quitting. Saw one today called "fix lag or ESO will shut down".

It's just nonsense.

Don't listen to me because I speak the truth?

Got it...

Just looking at your post screams you are the "If you say something bad about the game in a manner I don't like then you are a troll" kind of person.

What I said is perfectly true.

Alurria · May 2014

I think those who are negative seek attention. Example little Johnny gets a toy and shares with his playmate and they laugh and play and Mommie says oh look what a good boy. Where as little Susie gets her doll and little Sally wants to play with it too, Suzie whacks sSally over the head and Sally cries. While both Mommies run up and scold Suzie. It's wrong kind of attention they are seeking, but it is attention.

The lack of attention at home must be staggering the way some people rage on these forums or any gaming forums. It's quite sad and pathetic if the person is over 18 in real life. It's a GD game something to do for entertainment. People need to get a grip. My opinion though...is only for me too formulate.

Cogo · May 2014

terence.caroneb17_ESO wrote: »

I'm still waiting on proof about the "they're working on it" part. Also, you're allowed to have fun in the game, but you need to be DK/Sorc or maybe NB, but certainly not Templar right now.

I am a DK. Tank pure built. And sir, I have to really use all my personal skills to solo because my build is tanking and keeping mobs busy in groups. I depend on my group to do the damage, while I protect them.

Azzuria · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

As I said, I am not talking about anyone who disagrees with me. Thats one of the reason I use forums. Someone disagrees, explains why and maybe we discuss it. Maybe I was wrong in whatever subject and this way you learn, or at least gets to see the subject from other peoples view.

I welcome disagreements. And no....I wount tell papa Zenimax when someone being "mean".

As my question states, why is it almost a crime to enjoy ESO?

You're talking about a discussion. The Rage Trolls and QQers don't want a discussion, they want to vent spleen in an echo chamber and feel good about spewing stupidity and ignorance and get validated for it.

We can disagree without being disagreeable. They can't tolerate differences of opinion and hold their own in waaaay too high a regard.

I'm enjoing ESO. You're enjoying ESO. Tons of other people are enjoying ESO. Personally, I'm enjoying watching the Rage Trolls and QQers throw temper tantrums like ill-mannered 3 year olds denied that 6th bowl of ice cream.

RomedyMC · May 2014

jdoe wrote: »

Outside of very minor inconveniences (having to log out / log in a few times during first few week or two because of missing quest prompts) I have had almost no issues.

I have experienced no log in issues.

I have experienced no lag issues.

I play on the NA server for the AD faction.

I like that rare motifs are rare, I wish that more stuff was.

I like that I get to play all factions quests during the VR leveling, given I paid for it.

I like that it takes a really long time to level in VR, as I felt it pointless to use my crafting skills in levels < 50.

I play more on the PVE side than PVP, and have no problem at all if PVP oriented folks choose to grind their way up to VR12 instead of quest.

I like that Armour less than 50 doesn't look as good as VR armor.

I like that there is no global auction house, as it has made me interact with other players more, and provides a small buffer to the overall economy.

Outside of my brief periods in coldharbor, I have seen relatively few bots since being in the really low level zones.

In the VR zones, I never see bots camping resources/bosses.

I have no trouble, at all, finding resource nodes. I have most of my crafting skills at 50.

I did experience the memory leak, however it did not severely interrupt my playing other than needed to relog once every few hours.

I did experience about half a day of getting one-shotted in VR zones. I'm glad difficulty was returned, but honestly my skill level went up more that half day the entire period up until that point.

I receive maybe a gold spam mail message once a day, and outside of that, I would likely have little reason to know they exist.

As a result of the above, I love the game, and am very happy I subbed for 6 months. I understand if the above hasn't been your experience, your views may differ; but likewise my views don't make me a cultish fanboy.

This. So much of this. Excellent post that mirrors my own experience.

hk11 · May 2014

When reading the post title, I thought you were referring to things like respec cost, auction house etc. lol

At any rate, enjoy it all you want!

Alurria · May 2014

Without derailing the discussion of why we are not allowed to enjoy ESO, the best example is the dead AH thread. Every time a opposite opinion was expressed you were being told your wrong. Opinions.....are subjective. How can they be wrong? They are changeable and quite frequently do.

terence.caroneb17_ESO · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

terence.caroneb17_ESO wrote: »

I'm still waiting on proof about the "they're working on it" part. Also, you're allowed to have fun in the game, but you need to be DK/Sorc or maybe NB, but certainly not Templar right now.

I am a DK. Tank pure built. And sir, I have to really use all my personal skills to solo because my build is tanking and keeping mobs busy in groups. I depend on my group to do the damage, while I protect them.

I'm not saying you do all of this with one button, I'm saying you have fun in melee combat. And templars don't anymore, cause they had only one melee combat skill for them, and it became a cooldown machine.

Mojomonkeyman · May 2014

How badly must one be in need of attention to make threads like this?

I love the game, by a lot. That doesn`t mean that I am not affected by its issues or that I have to diminish others peoples opinions about it just because I am not affected or they "seem" too negative for my taste.

Have you guys ever had a relationship in real life or a job? It sure does not seem that way... One can love his/her job, but be vocal about its shortcomings and demand serious issues to be taken care of.

Nothing to see here.

Tjeerd · May 2014

jdoe wrote: »

Outside of very minor inconveniences (having to log out / log in a few times during first few week or two because of missing quest prompts) I have had almost no issues.

I have experienced no log in issues.

I have experienced no lag issues.

I play on the NA server for the AD faction.

I like that rare motifs are rare, I wish that more stuff was.

I like that I get to play all factions quests during the VR leveling, given I paid for it.

I like that it takes a really long time to level in VR, as I felt it pointless to use my crafting skills in levels < 50.

I play more on the PVE side than PVP, and have no problem at all if PVP oriented folks choose to grind their way up to VR12 instead of quest.

I like that Armour less than 50 doesn't look as good as VR armor.

I like that there is no global auction house, as it has made me interact with other players more, and provides a small buffer to the overall economy.

Outside of my brief periods in coldharbor, I have seen relatively few bots since being in the really low level zones.

In the VR zones, I never see bots camping resources/bosses.

I have no trouble, at all, finding resource nodes. I have most of my crafting skills at 50.

I did experience the memory leak, however it did not severely interrupt my playing other than needed to relog once every few hours.

I did experience about half a day of getting one-shotted in VR zones. I'm glad difficulty was returned, but honestly my skill level went up more that half day the entire period up until that point.

I receive maybe a gold spam mail message once a day, and outside of that, I would likely have little reason to know they exist.

As a result of the above, I love the game, and am very happy I subbed for 6 months. I understand if the above hasn't been your experience, your views may differ; but likewise my views don't make me a cultish fanboy.

This. Also a perfect mirror of my experience.

gud · May 2014

I've been having a good time too. I ran into the rollback issue there a few days ago, and it required a few relogs. I also hit some quests that weren't working as intended, but they were fixed pretty fast. And I'm not in a high-pop campaign, so I haven't ran into any lag in PvP yet.

Madval · May 2014

It's forum. Like every game forum. Peoples rage on forum.Thoses enjoying the game are less visible... Cause they are in game enjoying the game.

Alurria · May 2014

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

How badly must one be in need of attention to make threads like this?

I love the game, by a lot. That doesn`t mean that I am not affected by its issues or that I have to diminish others peoples opinions about it just because I am not affected or they "seem" too negative for my taste.

Have you guys ever had a relationship in real life or a job? It sure does not seem that way... One can love his/her job, but be vocal about its shortcomings and demand serious issues to be taken care of.

Nothing to see here.

Yep....touchy aren't cha. Don't hold back let it all out after all it's only a gaming forum about a game I like. I have to say ignoring a bad behavior is very much a problem with society. Just like that kid in CA recently who relied on a certain MMO and ended up killing some people. His behavior was ignored and no one saw the signs.

It's okay I like ESO and when I am not having fun any more I will just fade away with no fuss.

Mojomonkeyman · May 2014

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

How badly must one be in need of attention to make threads like this?

I love the game, by a lot. That doesn`t mean that I am not affected by its issues or that I have to diminish others peoples opinions about it just because I am not affected or they "seem" too negative for my taste.

Have you guys ever had a relationship in real life or a job? It sure does not seem that way... One can love his/her job, but be vocal about its shortcomings and demand serious issues to be taken care of.

Nothing to see here.

Yep....touchy aren't cha. Don't hold back let it all out after all it's only a gaming forum about a game I like. I have to say ignoring a bad behavior is very much a problem with society. Just like that kid in CA recently who relied on a certain MMO and ended up killing some people. His behavior was ignored and no one saw the signs.

It's okay I like ESO and when I am not having fun any more I will just fade away with no fuss.

Do I have to understand that? Please don`t do drugs, it`s not good for you!

Alurria · May 2014

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

How badly must one be in need of attention to make threads like this?

I love the game, by a lot. That doesn`t mean that I am not affected by its issues or that I have to diminish others peoples opinions about it just because I am not affected or they "seem" too negative for my taste.

Have you guys ever had a relationship in real life or a job? It sure does not seem that way... One can love his/her job, but be vocal about its shortcomings and demand serious issues to be taken care of.

Nothing to see here.

Yep....touchy aren't cha. Don't hold back let it all out after all it's only a gaming forum about a game I like. I have to say ignoring a bad behavior is very much a problem with society. Just like that kid in CA recently who relied on a certain MMO and ended up killing some people. His behavior was ignored and no one saw the signs.

It's okay I like ESO and when I am not having fun any more I will just fade away with no fuss.

Do I have to understand that? Please don`t do drugs, it`s not good for you!

I rest my case.

badmojo · May 2014

Agreed, friends that hear I'm enjoying this game automatically have to start thinking up excuses as to why I'm playing it. Either it's the fact that it's my first mmo, or that there are no other games out right now, they'll never even consider that I actually enjoy the game, and it might be good given the chance. They're just so convinced it's bad, they'll imply I'm lying about my enjoyment.

terence.caroneb17_ESO · May 2014

oops

Hadria · May 2014

I'm enjoying this game very much and and anyone who bashes this game holds no credit on my fun. Have fun being angry(not OP) angry people! I'll be in game destroying daedra with my fellow companions

HandofBane · May 2014

Folks enjoy the game and have no problems with it? Good for them. Where the problem comes about is how that is expressed. People posting "everything is perfect, don't change how you are doing things" need to learn to recognize that things are most certainly not perfect, and many players are having consistent active issues with the game/gameplay. It especially doesn't help when smug *** bags roll into a thread and crap all over those who *are* having problems by responding with "it works fine for me" "your negativity is just trolling" "L2P" or all the variations on those themes.

Yes, people are more likely to post when they have problems, this quite often occurs because they are unable to play for whatever reason, and the forum is the only place they can either get confirmation their problem is not a unique issue, or possibly get help to get it resolved. Hardcore fanboys make a community just as toxic as one full of nothing but complaints - coming in and telling people who have problems "why don't you just shut up and quit" only serves to drive yet more people out, putting the game at even bigger risk of not being able to support itself by the time the console version launches. Do any of you want to have to deal with being told "well, we don't have enough subscribers paying, so this new content we patched in will get fixed about a month later because we can't afford more scripters/programmers to fix it in a timely manner"?

A good portion of the people here complaining are still paying their sub (quite a few have quit, but many of us have not yet). Seeking to get our problems resolved, bugs fixed, and being able to play the damn game we pay for is the least ZOS can try to do. Having to put up with people posting all over the place trivializing those issues, and going out of their way to accuse the paying subcribers with a broken ass game of just being negative trolls will only succeed in making more of us throw up our hands and say "to hell with the whole damn game". So think before you go in and trash folks with negative opinions and major issues with the game.

stabbykitteh · May 2014

It's funny, I saw someone mention the 'ESO Defence Brigade' in another thread, but interestingly, the rabid swarming I see is definitely not in defense of ESO.

I've had some problems, but still am having fun.

alphawolph · May 2014

Well since you are always on the attack and i knew exactly who you where from all your "who is so stupid that they do this" type comments. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's not what you say but how.

Ohioastro · May 2014

HandofBane wrote: »

Folks enjoy the game and have no problems with it? Good for them. Where the problem comes about is how that is expressed. People posting "everything is perfect, don't change how you are doing things" need to learn to recognize that things are most certainly not perfect, and many players are having consistent active issues with the game/gameplay. It especially doesn't help when smug *** bags roll into a thread and crap all over those who *are* having problems by responding with "it works fine for me" "your negativity is just trolling" "L2P" or all the variations on those themes.

Here's the deal: people with problems frequently act as if everyone else is experiencing precisely the same thing. We are not. In any large game like this there will *always* be people with technical issues - given different hardware; addons; computers; ISPs. In a game with a million players you can have a thousand with a problem who can swamp the forums and make it look as if everything is a disaster. And for 999/1000 (in that case) this will be an incorrect assessment of the issues.

There is also a world of difference between nasty, destructive criticism and constructive criticism. The former ignores any changes to the good, exaggerates problems, and does not make the game better in any fashion. A *very* large fraction of the posts in this forum are like this. There are actual human beings on the other end of that anonymous internet venom.

Ohioastro · May 2014

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

How badly must one be in need of attention to make threads like this?

I love the game, by a lot. That doesn`t mean that I am not affected by its issues or that I have to diminish others peoples opinions about it just because I am not affected or they "seem" too negative for my taste.

Have you guys ever had a relationship in real life or a job? It sure does not seem that way... One can love his/her job, but be vocal about its shortcomings and demand serious issues to be taken care of.

Nothing to see here.

Anyone who treated a partner in a relationship by throwing tantrums, relentlessly focusing on the negative, and being generally unpleasant is guaranteed to end up single.

Blackwidow · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

Why is it almost a crime to say you are enjoying the game?

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

I was not trolling or baiting. I was making a point.

It goes both ways.