BOTTING, Really ESO?

quakedawg_ESO

RG would never admit to losing to you. Either you had more players, the sun was in their eyes, they stepped in a hole, yada yada.

Did you bot in GW2? Because I know coordination when I see it.

deadface60_ESO

leewells wrote: »

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What I find funny though, if this is Nyreal's group -- I actually have a few video's hanging around showing the guy putting caltrops on the ground under his own feet while being oiled. The irony of a cheating player accusing honest and skilled players of exploits would be epic.

Edit: LOL it is Nireel's group -- this thread just got epic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jHxV_1Pd4k

Who is this 'Nyreal' dude? And that video just showed you getting owned. Didn't have any names it it either. Didn't even see this 'Nyreal' you referred to.

quakedawg_ESO

I would think anyone who knows what coordination looks like would know Nyreal! I smell a troll

leewells

deadface60_ESO wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

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What I find funny though, if this is Nyreal's group -- I actually have a few video's hanging around showing the guy putting caltrops on the ground under his own feet while being oiled. The irony of a cheating player accusing honest and skilled players of exploits would be epic.

Edit: LOL it is Nireel's group -- this thread just got epic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jHxV_1Pd4k

Who is this 'Nyreal' dude? And that video just showed you getting owned. Didn't have any names it it either. Didn't even see this 'Nyreal' you referred to.

First of all -- the video clearly shows caltrops being used with no points coming in with the video taker having Nyreel as target for over 8 seconds. It shows Nyreel actually casting caltrops once, and the video also demonstrates 0 AP for repeatably dumping oil on their heads while on a battering ram. This video shows the caltrop exploit in action and furthermore shows the name of at least 18 people where were using and/or participating in the exploit.

Secondly, if you are familiar with foundry tactical combat mod, you should know where to find the names. And that's not my video, there is also another video of another instance with the same person "Nyreel" using caltrops, which is the guy (from the video posted) complaining about a team of players using coordination being bots and steam rolling them.

Bitz_Maidenhell

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

.......and here comes the Red Guard post. Not touching that one. But, they must be bots anyway.

Luckily there are people who clearly know what coordination looks like dammit! No human would be able to simply ... follow ... another ... player. If it's not a bot program it MUST be some sort of black magic! Clearly! It's human nature to go left when a group leader says go right. It's human nature to ignore everything when the group leader says 'get back to me now'. We all learned this at an early age! Right?

Well, you got me convinced. It must be a bot program. Because I know black magic when I see it!

quake you are a master of logic +1

deadface60_ESO

Right, I see the names now. But not once did I see the player you're accusing of using caltrops -actually- using caltrops. How do you know it's that specific player and not a random? Just curious cause it seems like you're just trying to target that one person.

Also, if some random pug throws caltrops down on the flag, how do you avoid it? I've seen so many EP (including you and your guild) and AD using caltops as well. So like said before, it seems like you have a stick up your ass about this one kid.

Rivière

Bitz_Maidenhell wrote: »

Rivière wrote: »

Bitz_Maidenhell wrote: »

I'm guess you are referring to the EP guild on Bloodthorn. We have seen the You Tube video you guys posted. Here is the link for everyone to see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EgoffCJph8#t=18

If the OP is referring the group on Bloodthorn, let us introduce ourselves. We are Tactical Symbiosis [TSym]. We run a very coordinated PvP guild that has been around for a few years now. We have been testing a new strat for the past 2 days in Bloodthorn. We run no, exploits, bugs, hacks, multi boxes, etc etc. I'm sorry you guys have never seen or played with a coordinated guild with a lot of discipline. I not sorry that our 24 man raidteam is mowing over you faction by the hundreds, we worked had to play at this level.

If any Dev's want to sit in and watch us in action, we would welcome it anytime.
If you are an enemy, we look forward to seeing you on the field.
If you are EP, we welcome new members of all skill levels, we do provide training and require TS3 for AvA.

Lmfao. You guys would prob get rolled over by RG (also played in GW2) easy, zerg guild for zerg guild i'd rather have that sacrx yell :disagree:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b372p4e9fRM

Red Guard is a great team, when they first came over to our server they wrecked everyone with their strat. They wiped the floor with us 3 times, and we pulled our team off the field. We spent a few hours thinking of counter to their "Pain Train" We took it to the field and became the first team to wipe RG on our Tier. We had some great fights and full wipes on all sides. Lotta respect for RG. Our command style is far different from sacrx's , but he is a great leader on the field.

Much love for Sacrx and his buncha bombing freends, they are very good when it comes to big scale fighting and coordination - mostly due his very loud scottish way of leading plus building fotm teams... I'm pretty sure his ESO group probably look like 80% DKs

Regardless small scale > that ***. Much funnier and you actually get to think what the *** you're doing, warhammer style.

Point is, having a buncha people following you around spamming AoE unfortunately is considered "skill" in games lately.. which is quite sad.

leewells

deadface60_ESO wrote: »

Right, I see the names now. But not once did I see the player you're accusing of using caltrops -actually- using caltrops. How do you know it's that specific player and not a random? Just curious cause it seems like you're just trying to target that one person.

Also, if some random pug throws caltrops down on the flag, how do you avoid it? I've seen so many EP (including you and your guild) and AD using caltops as well. So like said before, it seems like you have a stick up your ass about this one kid.

Maybe you had to be there :P The name is there, he has a last name too "Nyreel ..something..." (It is a violation of the forum rules to post the player's full name). Have a look at the first video in the OP, you should be able to match that name fairly quick. You'll also see there that the players there were from one particular guild in DC -- the guild Nyreel is in.

The random pug thing is an excuse. If my guild sees caltrops, friendly or hostile, our standing directive is to move away from them, taking advantage of someone else's exploiting is still a violation of the EULA when done so willfully and knowingly.

quakedawg_ESO

Bitz_Maidenhell wrote: »

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

.......and here comes the Red Guard post. Not touching that one. But, they must be bots anyway.

Luckily there are people who clearly know what coordination looks like dammit! No human would be able to simply ... follow ... another ... player. If it's not a bot program it MUST be some sort of black magic! Clearly! It's human nature to go left when a group leader says go right. It's human nature to ignore everything when the group leader says 'get back to me now'. We all learned this at an early age! Right?

Well, you got me convinced. It must be a bot program. Because I know black magic when I see it!

quake you are a master of logic +1

Why thank you kind sir. Wait, is this a bot? A human would not have truncated my name! No way! Can I sit in your Team Speak and listen to you type? If you say YES it's clearly because you know I won't do it!

TheGrandAlliance

floorconub17_ESO wrote: »

I know what botting looks like and ESO in WvW Cyrodiil is now a Botting paradise. EP has at least one botting guild that is running around. If ESO does not STOP the botting and put some serious penalties (I suggest a perma-ban on IP address) in place the game will be ruined for all.

Just report it to an elite guild on the other factions. FREE AP YUUUUUUUUUUM!

Bitz_Maidenhell

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

Bitz_Maidenhell wrote: »

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

.......and here comes the Red Guard post. Not touching that one. But, they must be bots anyway.

Luckily there are people who clearly know what coordination looks like dammit! No human would be able to simply ... follow ... another ... player. If it's not a bot program it MUST be some sort of black magic! Clearly! It's human nature to go left when a group leader says go right. It's human nature to ignore everything when the group leader says 'get back to me now'. We all learned this at an early age! Right?

Well, you got me convinced. It must be a bot program. Because I know black magic when I see it!

quake you are a master of logic +1

Why thank you kind sir. Wait, is this a bot? A human would not have truncated my name! No way! Can I sit in your Team Speak and listen to you type? If you say YES it's clearly because you know I won't do it!

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wretch200

leewells wrote: »

I think that you guys are grossly misinterpreting skill and coordination as a false accusation for being a bot.

Just a few days ago, my raid hid from a DC zerg as we were outnumbered. We had one scout watching and letting us when the zerg got close. As that zerg entered a choke, we popped barriers, momentum, and wiped the zerg. The scout said, "I know you guys think that was awesome, but let me tell you, it was a lot more awesome to watch it from up here; it looked like an army of bots"

I've seen bots in this game, and I can tell you that there is enough random movement is some of these videos that I am 99% certain these raids/guilds were not bots.

What I find funny though, if this is Nyreal's group -- I actually have a few video's hanging around showing the guy putting caltrops on the ground under his own feet while being oiled. The irony of a cheating player accusing honest and skilled players of exploits would be epic.

Edit: LOL it is Nireel's group -- this thread just got epic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jHxV_1Pd4k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z_rK4NPjfY

All I see in these videos is you get annihilated and whining about caltrops, and yet no caltrops are going down. Nice try though.

Xsorus

Rofl....I watched the original video, and the only thing i thought was

"Oh look..Its Gw2 all over again, Thanks AoE Caps"

Seriously...What they're doing, is exactly what Guilds did in Gw2....no difference at all..Its not botting, Its just *** Gameplay mechanics

TSYM_Dhom

deadface60_ESO wrote: »

Bitz_Maidenhell wrote: »

If any Dev's want to sit in and watch us in action, we would welcome it anytime.

You say this knowing full well no dev will sit in on your raid nights, using it as a way to convince us of your innocence, hiding behind your claims of 'coordination'. I know what coordination looks like, and I know what botting looks like, the video you posted seems pretty convincing of how guilty you really are. Now by looking through the APIs of the game and the fact that there is no way to follow someone in game, it is very clear that you're using third party software to allow you to follow that one person in perfect formation.

You may not be aware but there is a marker for the group leader that is quite easy to follow. So what does the api have to do with it?

deadface60_ESO wrote: »

I don't care how 'coordinated' you claim to be, the way MMOs work, factoring lag, ping, -human reaction time- , etc. it is just impossible to say in such a tight formation making tight, instantaneous turns. Even with /follow commands in other games it was still a near impossibility.

Not nearly as hard as you think. 15-30 minute training sessions prior to taking the field on a regular basis is all it takes.

deadface60_ESO wrote: »

Not to mention, if someone were to chain a member of that train, they would simply ignore the person chaining them and within a split second, instantly rush back to wherever the train may have moved to. I don't care how 'disciplined' you may be, simple fact is that no one would ignore another player if they could simply attack and kill them.

Part of our training is to condition ourselves to fight as a unit. If we get pulled out of formation we return to formation because that is where we are most deadly as well as safest. Hero's are not welcome.

deadface60_ESO wrote: »

Stop ripping on other players saying how they are a bunch of scrubs, uncoordinated, unorganized, and ignorant to what 'actual' coordination looks like, you're not fooling anyone.

Where do we call other players ignorant unorganized uncoordinated scrubs?

deadface60_ESO wrote: »

I also dare not mention how much my guild owned this bot group using a simple strat: Avoid the leader, pick off the back and we saw no resistance, cause the bots were focused on getting back to the leader. If that doesn't scream 'BOTTING' I'm not sure what would.

See my previous statement. We make no claims to a perfect strategy. Well done on finding a weakness, we will do better next time.

Bitz_Maidenhell

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Rofl....I watched the original video, and the only thing i thought was

"Oh look..Its Gw2 all over again, Thanks AoE Caps"

Seriously...What they're doing, is exactly what Guilds did in Gw2....no difference at all..Its not botting, Its just *** Gameplay mechanics

so true so true +1

Tintinabula

I watched the video and...well...those ppl are following in the exact same steps..like NPC pets...not even diverging from the leaders path. Like, Id say it looks like a marching band..lol..and considering the fact that all movement in game is random "at some point" even the most disciplined follower will stray or straggle. Yours do not.

Seriously hand the leader a tuba and the followers batons and ya'll are ready for the "Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade" lol

Bitz_Maidenhell

Tintinabula wrote: »

I watched the video and...well...those ppl are following in the exact same steps..like NPC pets...not even diverging from the leaders path. Like, Id say it looks like a marching band..lol..and considering the fact that all movement in game is random "at some point" even the most disciplined follower will stray or straggle. Yours do not.

Seriously hand the leader a tuba and the followers batons and ya'll are ready for the "Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade" lol

1st Coron Plays the Flute

2nd Did you not watch the Macy's day parade last year? ... we totally wiped the Hello Kitty Balloon.

#BOTLIFE

quakedawg_ESO

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Rofl....I watched the original video, and the only thing i thought was

"Oh look..Its Gw2 all over again, Thanks AoE Caps"

Seriously...What they're doing, is exactly what Guilds did in Gw2....no difference at all..Its not botting, Its just *** Gameplay mechanics

Daoc all over again. People (humans) following a group leader (another human). The fact certain people/guilds can't fathom this basic concept is beyond epic. So awesome. No wonder it rains AP. Keep doing what you're doing. Let the haters hate! I promise you're safe from any ban hammer.

Tintinabula

Ive seen what you're talking about in DAoC with the bards run buff..it "sort of" looked like that..but nowhere even close to that precise.

quakedawg_ESO

leewells wrote: »

I think that you guys are grossly misinterpreting skill and coordination as a false accusation for being a bot.

Just a few days ago, my raid hid from a DC zerg as we were outnumbered. We had one scout watching and letting us when the zerg got close. As that zerg entered a choke, we popped barriers, momentum, and wiped the zerg. The scout said, "I know you guys think that was awesome, but let me tell you, it was a lot more awesome to watch it from up here; it looked like an army of bots"

I've seen bots in this game, and I can tell you that there is enough random movement is some of these videos that I am 99% certain these raids/guilds were not bots.

What I find funny though, if this is Nyreal's group -- I actually have a few video's hanging around showing the guy putting caltrops on the ground under his own feet while being oiled. The irony of a cheating player accusing honest and skilled players of exploits would be epic.

Edit: LOL it is Nireel's group -- this thread just got epic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jHxV_1Pd4k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z_rK4NPjfY

I enjoy listening to group leaders lead. Much respect to guild coordination! Not an easy assignment and hearing different styles in leading is interesting.

Additional props for having the ability to spot coordination and false accusations.

/salute

Xsorus

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Rofl....I watched the original video, and the only thing i thought was

"Oh look..Its Gw2 all over again, Thanks AoE Caps"

Seriously...What they're doing, is exactly what Guilds did in Gw2....no difference at all..Its not botting, Its just *** Gameplay mechanics

Daoc all over again. People (humans) following a group leader (another human). The fact certain people/guilds can't fathom this basic concept is beyond epic. So awesome. No wonder it rains AP. Keep doing what you're doing. Let the haters hate! I promise you're safe from any ban hammer.

That's not really the same thing.

in DAOC if ya did it, You got CCed and blown up for it.

leewells

wretch200 wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

I think that you guys are grossly misinterpreting skill and coordination as a false accusation for being a bot.

Just a few days ago, my raid hid from a DC zerg as we were outnumbered. We had one scout watching and letting us when the zerg got close. As that zerg entered a choke, we popped barriers, momentum, and wiped the zerg. The scout said, "I know you guys think that was awesome, but let me tell you, it was a lot more awesome to watch it from up here; it looked like an army of bots"

I've seen bots in this game, and I can tell you that there is enough random movement is some of these videos that I am 99% certain these raids/guilds were not bots.

What I find funny though, if this is Nyreal's group -- I actually have a few video's hanging around showing the guy putting caltrops on the ground under his own feet while being oiled. The irony of a cheating player accusing honest and skilled players of exploits would be epic.

Edit: LOL it is Nireel's group -- this thread just got epic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jHxV_1Pd4k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z_rK4NPjfY

All I see in these videos is you get annihilated and whining about caltrops, and yet no caltrops are going down. Nice try though.

Of course not Nireel, you were putting them down, of course you're going to stand here and say you don't see them, but I bet you this, everyone else here can see it very clearly, carpets of caltrops under the oil, no AP, while you battered down the door. Lets recap... Caltrops under your feet; Oil on your head; Battering ram on the door; you took 0 damage from oil. You're an exploiter, sir.

TLDR; A blind man could see the caltrops.

deadface60_ESO

leewells wrote: »

wretch200 wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

I think that you guys are grossly misinterpreting skill and coordination as a false accusation for being a bot.

Just a few days ago, my raid hid from a DC zerg as we were outnumbered. We had one scout watching and letting us when the zerg got close. As that zerg entered a choke, we popped barriers, momentum, and wiped the zerg. The scout said, "I know you guys think that was awesome, but let me tell you, it was a lot more awesome to watch it from up here; it looked like an army of bots"

I've seen bots in this game, and I can tell you that there is enough random movement is some of these videos that I am 99% certain these raids/guilds were not bots.

What I find funny though, if this is Nyreal's group -- I actually have a few video's hanging around showing the guy putting caltrops on the ground under his own feet while being oiled. The irony of a cheating player accusing honest and skilled players of exploits would be epic.

Edit: LOL it is Nireel's group -- this thread just got epic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jHxV_1Pd4k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z_rK4NPjfY

All I see in these videos is you get annihilated and whining about caltrops, and yet no caltrops are going down. Nice try though.

Of course not Nireel, you were putting them down, of course you're going to stand here and say you don't see them, but I bet you this, everyone else here can see it very clearly, carpets of caltrops under the oil, no AP, while you battered down the door. Lets recap... Caltrops under your feet; Oil on your head; Battering ram on the door; you took 0 damage from oil. You're an exploiter, sir.

TLDR; A blind man could see the caltrops.

I'm pretty sure wretch200 isn't Nireel btw. And it is also very clear you're butthurt about something this kid did. There is no proof Nireel (Nyreal, which one is it brah?) is actually casting caltrops or using any other exploit. I don't know what personal vendetta you have against him or why, hell I don't even care. But in the video you posted, where you place oil, there were no caltrops on their feet when the oil was dropped. All I saw was purge and them running upstairs to destroy you. Very nice try though. From someone who claims to have skill, and someone who defends botters using the only argument of 'OH YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT ORGANIZATION LOOKS LIKE LULZ', Chip Paterson, you sure do suck at this game.

FENGRUSH

Well weve killed this group with my 7 vs their 24 a few times and they said it didnt count because we used standard and 'thats a FOTM skill'..........

I dont openly go out an *** talk people, but this guild tsym considers itself good enough to do exactly that. Trying to trash talk people even when theyre fighting 3v20, and their 20 are on defense.

For a guild that boasts about AvA fighting and opens retorts with 'maybe you guys arent that experienced in AvA', well... they never siege keeps in ESO. You have 24 people or so and you literally cant manage to deploy siege on the field and hit a keep? You can run around in circles with a blob healing all night, but you guys actually have a very minimal impact on the campaign map that youre on. The best you can hope to do is distract players while others actually take keeps. Sorry, thats part of the AvA structure, and you might want to work shooting siege weapons into your training classes for your members.

I presume youre more interested in doing a single strategy of staying in a ball and healing eachother all night. If thats what you find most enjoyable in the game, then nobody can prevent you from running your strat. Its basically a simplistic version of what Luvboards group from AD has been doing before though without the punch, and their ranks are filled with heavy hitters that can hold their ground 1v1 as well. But Tsym also claims to have killed Luvboards group, which gives some idea of how credible their claims are.

Censorious

I've watched the co-ordinated work of guilds on EP and AD with something resembling envy.
As yet, we don't have a decent PvP guild in DC (not that I've met anyway).
I can only hope it's early days yet.

Anyway, my hat is off. I've seen some very nice tactical work like hiding behind a resource tower for just the right moment to make a rush, stealthing as a group and revealing all at the same moment (very intimidating). And of course the old standard stack-and-follow immune to AoE pain-train we all learned in GW2.

So my regards, and the next time you notice a sorcerer being a total pain in your butt, scouting you and taking out the backliners while melee is busy, hopefully that'll be me.

quakedawg_ESO

Those "I just turn my monitor off and roll my face on the keyboard" DK groups are cute. At least this explains your inability to count.

Yorkie_gbr

quakedawg_ESO

Best comic ever!

FENGRUSH

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

Those "I just turn my monitor off and roll my face on the keyboard" DK groups are cute. At least this explains your inability to count.

Yea once i get my 2 DKs that we have in group i just turn off my monitor and let the AP pour in.

maxilaub17_ESO

Bitz_Maidenhell wrote: »

I'm guess you are referring to the EP guild on Bloodthorn. We have seen the You Tube video you guys posted. Here is the link for everyone to see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EgoffCJph8#t=18

If the OP is referring the group on Bloodthorn, let us introduce ourselves. We are Tactical Symbiosis [TSym]. We run a very coordinated PvP guild that has been around for a few years now. We have been testing a new strat for the past 2 days in Bloodthorn. We run no, exploits, bugs, hacks, multi boxes, etc etc. I'm sorry you guys have never seen or played with a coordinated guild with a lot of discipline. I not sorry that our 24 man raidteam is mowing over you faction by the hundreds, we worked had to play at this level.

If any Dev's want to sit in and watch us in action, we would welcome it anytime.
If you are an enemy, we look forward to seeing you on the field.
If you are EP, we welcome new members of all skill levels, we do provide training and require TS3 for AvA.

Unfortunately the game design allows this mindless zombie strategy where the only skill required is to stay tight and spam a few AOE buttons and Ultimate's. They are not the only group that takes advantage of this. I only wish the game didn't reward the use of this almost skill-less strategy; and yet this is how to gain AP the fastest. Zenimax's foresight and game testing was clearly a huge joke when you look at the deluge for this type of BS that went live at release.

I'm not gonna blame people for taking advantage of what the game allows, I'd only take exception if they think that strategy takes much real skill.