PvP is dying it seems

Welcey

I enjoyed what I have seen so far in PvP. I'm not in Cyrodil much when I play now because I'm waiting until I'm a higher level.

xxiianarchyboyiixx_ESO

xD Wabbajack was full bc someone on reddit bitched about how EP used mindless tactics to capture forts. Thus, streamers from auriels bow came here and thats why AD had an advantage. EP apparently will always be the "mindless zergers" on Reddit it appears. xD QQ forever

Hymzir

I can only speak for myself, of course, but after Craglorn I just felt utterly frustrated by PVP and have no real interest in going back to it.

Based on zone chatter, I'd say there are lot's of folk who feel the same way, and for pretty much the same reasons.

Firstly - The NPC buff has made them insanely difficult for low VR characters, and downright impossible foes to non VR folk. Facing a VR5 DK honor guards with over 10000 hp that are supported by blaster mages delivering 1000hp hits makes things a bit difficult.

I run a tank build and have well over 3000 hp at VR2 and a very high defenses, and several times I died in a blink of an eye with me going "WTF? What the hell just happened - I had 2500 HP left! Why am I dead?" but checking the death recap spelled things out pretty consistently something in the tune of: "NPC A hit you for 700 damage and 800 damage and NPC B hit you at the same time for 1000 damage." And that gets old real quick.

Second - There is the lag, and the crash fest. The lag has become so much worse with Craglorn that at some times I feel like I'm reading a comic book. The game turns in to a slide show of still images several seconds a part, and usually, when the lag spell ends, I end up staring at the "You were defeated" screen.

As for the crashes... well they used to happen every now and then - they were annoying, but something you could put up with. Now people are talking about the crash plague - a deadly disease that strikes large groups. It used to be that when you crashed, you just logged back in and continued. You lost maybe a minute of play time. You were not kicked from the group, didn't mean much - it was just a slight inconvenience. Now... as soon as one guys crashes the party leader must kick him immediately or the the game starts lagging and the infection spreads. I watched as a full group of 24 goes mid combat to a group with 12 guys offline and the 12 others dead 'cause half of the group just suddenly vanished.

Third - The arrival of the VR12... Not even one full day after the launch of Craglorn I was facing VR12 characters in Cyrodiil thanks to the ridiculously easy XP grinding available in Craglorn. I was even tempted to try it myself, just so that I could be on an even footing with these guys. But since I'm only at mid point between VR2 and VR3 I did not get all that much form it. The xp rewards start to really pick up speed after VR5 it seems. And now there are so many guys doing it, that you end up getting zilch from the anomalies most of the time. (You do get nice loot though) I did some calculations and concluded that while I do get more than 8000 points from them when I am lucky enough to get the xp, it happens so rarely that I will get twice or even thrice the xp for similar time spent just by playing the game as intended - i.e. doing quests.

I suppose I'm one of the lucky ones who enjoys exploration above all other activities, and thus the VR zones are not a grind or a chore to me. I like to spend a lot of time just looking at the scenery and basking in the ambiance of the different places. That and climbing. I try to get myself in to all sort of spots that the devs prolly didn't expect anyone to be able to get to, and take some screenies when I do get there. So yeah - I'm enjoying the VR zones a hole lot more than PVP at the moment.

I have little interest in returning to Cyrodiil before I am VR 12 - and at the pace I am going, that means sometime in autumn.

Finally there are the old issues that are aggravated by all these new issues - The stupidity of tower camping, the caltrop bug plus the fact that most siege were not all that useful anyway, character imbalances and broken skills. The invulnerable zerg trains that kill you by just running past you while spamming impulse, and now with extra added annoyance of the AOE cap making stopping them even harder (Not that it matters much to me - As a Templar player I had no real way to stop them anyway.)

But yeah - In short... Cyrodill is a VR 12 zone meant for DK's and sorcs that is buggy and laggy and full of exploits - so it is not all that surprising that a lot of people have abandoned it. Me included.

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO

I have little interest in returning to Cyrodiil before I am VR 12 - and at the pace I am going, that means sometime in autumn[\quote]

In autumn you are VR12 and everybody else in cyrodiil is VR20.

Teargrants

Relicz wrote: »

they are pumping out hot fixes like crazy this next one better be fore cyodiil lag if not i'll be a sad panda

Hope you got your panda costume ready.

Hymzir wrote: »

As for the crashes... well they used to happen every now and then - they were annoying, but something you could put up with. Now people are talking about the crash plague - a deadly disease that strikes large groups. It used to be that when you crashed, you just logged back in and continued. You lost maybe a minute of play time. You were not kicked from the group, didn't mean much - it was just a slight inconvenience. Now... as soon as one guys crashes the party leader must kick him immediately or the the game starts lagging and the infection spreads. I watched as a full group of 24 goes mid combat to a group with 12 guys offline and the 12 others dead 'cause half of the group just suddenly vanished.

Say, you remember back in pre-release interviews how the devs said there'd be mechanics in place to help small groups counter large groups? So you see, the crash plague isn't a bug, it's a feature!

Redsun

Hymzir wrote: »

Third - The arrival of the VR12... Not even one full day after the launch of Craglorn I was facing VR12 characters in Cyrodiil thanks to the ridiculously easy XP grinding available in Craglorn.

Ppl are not exactly happy with VR10s in pvp and now we have VR12 within one day because of another STUPID easy xp grinding?

I dont understand at all why must the level cap be raised to VR12? Make no sense at all. Are you using level chase as a carrot? You are making a serious mistake here.

Zenimax doing stupid things one after another. You killed your own game. Enjoy the fruits of your "labour".

I want nothing to do with zenimax and eso ever. /unsub / uninstall.

ElSlayer

Redsun wrote: »

I dont understand at all why must the level cap be raised to VR12? Make no sense at all. Are you using level chase as a carrot? You are making a serious mistake here.

To wipe all your gear progression and restart the game, giving all players that "completed" the game some new things to do.

JoyEnergiser

Oblongship wrote: »

Not one campaign right now has any population over low...

I mean literally every single one of them only has 1 bar...

This is not a good sign less than 2 months in.

Oh boy Pvp must be dying over the biggest PvE zone patch weekend since the game has been released! It could not possibly be that everyone is in craglorn farming the bugged anomalies and Ruins of Kaldara before the ridiculously over the top exp gain is hotfixed(buddy did vr2-7 one day of grinding ruins)!

Golly gosh Doom and gloom days of our WoW drama!!!
Pvp must be dying!

Harakh

All NBs and Templer are now leveling DK or sorc

Teargrants

Harakh wrote: »

All NBs and Templer are now leveling DK or sorc

^ I used to be a templar until pvp taught me where it's at.

Selodaoc

All the EU servers show low (1 bar) all day long. Sometimes Auriel goes up to 2 bars.

The Areas are quite empty.
Ive often logged out lately becouse i cant find anyone to fight, noone is talking on chat and no keeps are under attack.
And thats on Bloodthorn/Auriel.

Harakh wrote: »

All NBs and Templer are now leveling DK or sorc

I used to be a Nightblade, just like you. But then a DK hit me in the knee

I still see VR12 DKS tank 8-10+ players in PvP for 1min+

Gunsang

xxiianarchyboyiixx_ESO wrote: »

xD Wabbajack was full bc someone on reddit bitched about how EP used mindless tactics to capture forts. Thus, streamers from auriels bow came here and thats why AD had an advantage. EP apparently will always be the "mindless zergers" on Reddit it appears. xD QQ forever

Oh the bitter irony of AD streamer/followers and Reddit making such a comment. I'd rather be mindless then AD given their current overall reputation in PvP.

Oblongship

JoyEnergiser wrote: »

Oblongship wrote: »

Not one campaign right now has any population over low...

I mean literally every single one of them only has 1 bar...

This is not a good sign less than 2 months in.

Oh boy Pvp must be dying over the biggest PvE zone patch weekend since the game has been released! It could not possibly be that everyone is in craglorn farming the bugged anomalies and Ruins of Kaldara before the ridiculously over the top exp gain is hotfixed(buddy did vr2-7 one day of grinding ruins)!

Golly gosh Doom and gloom days of our WoW drama!!!
Pvp must be dying!

You aren't to smart are you?

Lord_Draevan

Night before Craglorn comes out: Wabbajack population locked all 3 factions, Bloodthorn locked EP and DC, Auriel's Bow Medium population all 3 factions.
The next night: all servers at Low except Wabbajack, all 3 factions at Medium for 2-3 hours.
Unless PvP died overnight, it's because everyone's in Craglorn :P

Reignskream

NookyZooky wrote: »

Its low like that because PvP has evolved into V10+ focused PvP, instead of the "everyone can play" PVP. Allot of people have left it.

I don't get it, i still go in with my low level characters and as long as i stay with my group and play smart I'm fine. I believe it's less of a evolve into v10 kind of thing, and more of a people are just not playing smart.

Reignskream

ozgod22_eso wrote: »

Well I think it has a lot to do with the faction imbalances - you have Auriels Bow which is totally dominated by AD, Wabbajack dominated by EP, etc. It's become like WoW servers where Alliance players all go to the Alliance dominated realms and the Horde players go to Horde dominated realms. So it's not much fun for anyone other than AD in Auriel's Bow, and it's probably boring for them too since there's so few of the other factions in there. Same goes for the other ones with imbalances.

Probably the only poor b@stards of the minority factions in there are those like me who foolishly set those as their home campaigns and are now struggling to grind alliance points because trying to earn those in a campaign where you are outnumbered 100 to 1 is like having teeth pulled.

I'm right there beside you friend, stuck in Auriels Bow. Woke up one day went into pvp, and everybody was gone besides AD.

Oblongship

It just sad when I can enter pvp and go a good 5 minutes or more without seeing anything in zone chat.

Then go 30 + minutes of actively riding around to enemy keeps, closest friendly keep to a enemy and quest spots and not find a single person.

frwinters_ESO

Everyone should just come to Wabbajack already cause there is always something going on. Always.

Armitas

wafcatb14_ESO wrote: »

a lot of the players don`t really want a fight , they are looking for low population servers where they can farm empty keeps and capture scrolls to get all their buddies emp .

soon a people start showing up that slows down their little alliance point farm they jump to a new campaign .

which is sad but i`ve seen it in a lot of games .

Quoted for truth! I think i'm in one of those campaigns right now lol.

We had some xfers to our campaign that left their campaign because they said it had 2 emperors guesting and 1 present in it farming emperor for their guild. They said they were using caltrops and dragon leaping over walls too!

ularis

Yes , dying and very good maby EOS give us smaller scale pvp BTW most of Pure PVP players want that .

Mends_from_Shadows

ularis wrote: »

Yes , dying and very good maby EOS give us smaller scale pvp BTW most of Pure PVP players want that .

Dumb

cortechsnub18_ESO

savak wrote: »

I like this game and I enjoyed the pve and the PvP early on but I unsubbed because in order to enjoy PvP I need to grind pve and for me that's boring to only do pve. Anyway for those that can grind, all the best but I don't think I'm the only one who wishes there was viable PvP content during the levelling process.

I feel exactly the same. I really need both PvP and PvE available simultaneously, else I get burned out on PvE, which is happening now. Doesn't help that I am not happy with my main and really want to reroll, which would mean a long time until vr12 and I could finally PvP again. Blah.

Arreyanne

wafcatb14_ESO wrote: »

**SNIP**

you should always have more than one path to lvl . forcing people to do the personal story and grind quest just to lvl , with only 1 zone per every 10 lvls is stupid .

.

+100

ThreeEyedCrow

WarlordGrievous wrote: »

Hate to be a jerk,but with the veteran 5 crap and people on Scourge Campaign getting screwed its no wonder that this is happening.Then again maybe its the holiday one can only hope.P.S. I wasn't on Scourge Campaign I just feel for them.Oh also most forgot to mention the pvp rewards are bugged too!

Why?

Zenimax was right to delete a campaign, there are too many atm. Yes it does suck to lose your leaderboard or whatever, but IMO they should have dropped down to only 3-4 campaigns.

Mends_from_Shadows

ThreeEyedCrow wrote: »

WarlordGrievous wrote: »

Hate to be a jerk,but with the veteran 5 crap and people on Scourge Campaign getting screwed its no wonder that this is happening.Then again maybe its the holiday one can only hope.P.S. I wasn't on Scourge Campaign I just feel for them.Oh also most forgot to mention the pvp rewards are bugged too!

Why?

Zenimax was right to delete a campaign, there are too many atm. Yes it does suck to lose your leaderboard or whatever, but IMO they should have dropped down to only 3-4 campaigns.

That was probably the worst precedent Zenimax could've set. That any campaign can just go *poof* because of their *** employees. "Oh we mean't to do it at a later point, oops!" is not AT ALL acceptable for anything this company does to this game.

Deleting 1 campaign also doesn't do anything. If they really wanted to go about the effort of deleting campaigns and consolidating they should've done just that. Not add 1 campaign and mistakenly delete another. It is seriously amazing that happened. Probably one of the dumbest things I've seen in any MMO I've ever played.

Napkins

JoyEnergiser wrote: »

Oblongship wrote: »

Not one campaign right now has any population over low...

I mean literally every single one of them only has 1 bar...

This is not a good sign less than 2 months in.

Oh boy Pvp must be dying over the biggest PvE zone patch weekend since the game has been released! It could not possibly be that everyone is in craglorn farming the bugged anomalies and Ruins of Kaldara before the ridiculously over the top exp gain is hotfixed(buddy did vr2-7 one day of grinding ruins)!

Golly gosh Doom and gloom days of our WoW drama!!!
Pvp must be dying!

You are blind if you didn't see a decline in the pvp population even before the patch. Seeing alot the hardcore pvp guilds i've seen in past games already quit this game, and the fact Wildstar release is coming. The population is gonna dip more.

Anyways i'm looking foward to going back to a pvp game with old guild mates. I hope ESO fixes this game before the plug gets pulled. (f2p)

ThreeEyedCrow

Mends_from_Shadows wrote: »

ThreeEyedCrow wrote: »

WarlordGrievous wrote: »

Hate to be a jerk,but with the veteran 5 crap and people on Scourge Campaign getting screwed its no wonder that this is happening.Then again maybe its the holiday one can only hope.P.S. I wasn't on Scourge Campaign I just feel for them.Oh also most forgot to mention the pvp rewards are bugged too!

Why?

Zenimax was right to delete a campaign, there are too many atm. Yes it does suck to lose your leaderboard or whatever, but IMO they should have dropped down to only 3-4 campaigns.

That was probably the worst precedent Zenimax could've set. That any campaign can just go *poof* because of their *** employees. "Oh we mean't to do it at a later point, oops!" is not AT ALL acceptable for anything this company does to this game.

Deleting 1 campaign also doesn't do anything. If they really wanted to go about the effort of deleting campaigns and consolidating they should've done just that. Not add 1 campaign and mistakenly delete another. It is seriously amazing that happened. Probably one of the dumbest things I've seen in any MMO I've ever played.

Well I certainly agree that a campaign disappearing without prior announcement was not the best way to go.

But overall I felt there were always too many campaigns and they should have actually reduced to 3-4 to make all campaigns somewhat full and interesting.

Sihnfahl

ThreeEyedCrow wrote: »

Well I certainly agree that a campaign disappearing without prior announcement was not the best way to go.

It wasn't their intention. They had intended to close Scourge at a later date, hence why there was no prior announcement.

Due to a coding error, they closed it instead of shortening the remaining time.

Oops.

Oblongship

Yeah in my campaign there was more people talking about the deleted campaign and how it was really screwed up it was of ZoS to delete it without warning...

It sets a VERY bad example for how they operate.

voth_ESO

They need to cut down the campaigns to like 3-4, create battlegrounds like they had in DAoC with level brackets for non vet players, seriously battle ranking lowbies has never worked in any game i played, lowbies are still fodder for the higher level players.