My solution to the ever so unbalanced "Bolt Escape".

Liquid_Time · May 2014

This is why I use elusive mist. 70% reduced damage, some speed, and not bad on the magic since most fights for me start with bow and stamina abilities.

Just my play style of course

Spidermonk wrote: »

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

NB`s can go invisible... dk`s can go immune to damage for 12 seconds(magma armor) while sorcs can maybe run... and you cry about the sorcs? Are you a DK or a NB?

The issue with NB is that if you have a dot on your target you immediately break. If you have a dot on you (and aren't using the finicky "cleanse") you break. It's really hit or miss to be used as an escape (granted it works amazingly well if you aren't in combat and spam it to bypass mobs/zergs).

jonal11_ESO · May 2014

How dare people use an ability called Bolt ESCAPE to bolt away escape! NERF Two Handed! It allows people to attack me with a 2 handed weapon! NERF IT!

Westcoast14_ESO · May 2014

NordJitsu wrote: »

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Now, people would rather just come to the forum and whine, hoping that the developers will "balance" the game (ie. solve their problem for them.)

Its really frustrating because legitimate balance concerns get mixed in with this reactionary childish tantrum crap and its hard for the devs to distinguish between the two.

tbh MMO devs as a whole figured out a long time ago that the forums were pretty marginal as a source of information re. game play issues like class/ability balance.

As a start, there a lot of posts about game balance made by individuals with agendas that have little to do with game balance.

Fundamentally however, most players don't have a good feel for their relative performance (and further, they don't want an objective assessment of it). Case in point, I did a lot of build and encounter analysis for my guild in the last MMO I played. So I got sent a lot of data from raids and small group instances from players using ACT. It was more common than not for players to be "shocked" (in a bad way) by numbers for the parsed encounters.

In one instance, a particular "progression group" (that was not progressing) wanted to reform because one of their DPS was substantially under performing. Hoping to salvage the situation, I showed the group leader how to use ACT, so they could figure out what needed to be changed re. strategy or builds (as opposed to membership).

What the group leader found was the "under performer" had more than twice the DSP output of the DPS. That didn't go over very well.

Granted, the above example was from PvE, but there were a plethora of examples from PvP as well.

SilverWF · May 2014

Bolt escape is OK.

Synfaer · May 2014

Wow...you really have it in for sorcerers, this is about the 7th thread you have started to complain about them or request a nerf. I know being a NB at the moment is difficult but screaming nerf this, nerf that in spite continually is getting tiresome.

bg22 · May 2014

Synfaer wrote: »

Wow...you really have it in for sorcerers, this is about the 7th thread you have started to complain about them or request a nerf. I know being a NB at the moment is difficult but screaming nerf this, nerf that in spite continually is getting tiresome.

Take a nap then.

Synfaer · May 2014

Take a nap then.

Already there mate...Zzzzzzz

bean19 · May 2014

Eivar wrote: »

As annoying as it is to see a sorc run off everytime they start to lose. . .

Are you equally annoyed when a DK pops a self-heal that also buffs his spell resist and armor to the soft-cap for 30 seconds? Are you equally annoyed when a Templar spams an emergency group heal that brings his nearly defeated group back to life? Do you bite your pillow in rage and pain when a Nightblade uses Path of Darkness to zoom out of range and hides in stealth?

Should Zenimax nerf all of the defensive abilities of every class or just the ones you don't play?

Also, there are really simple ways to defeat a sorc that runs. . . they do so at the expense of their mana pool. If you get on your horse and follow, you will easily chase them down. They remain "in combat" after using it, so they have to keep using it to flee because they can't mount and if they just run for a small while to get out of combat, you'll catch them on a horse or shoot them in the back with a ranged ability and keep them in combat.

If you actually play a sorc, you'd already know the weaknesses of this ability. My guess is that you are a DK and you want everyone to play your game of running up and fighting until you die (which works for DKs as they are built for that).

Eivar · May 2014

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andreas.rudroffb16_ESO · May 2014

just give me a homestone and a bubble and you can take away bolt escape

.... just kidding

btw nerv NB skill also, that slippery Cats always vanish

and nerv the healing !
and nerv green dragon blood
and nerv stuns
and nerv disables

and nerv red, that color is imba !

jelliedsoup · May 2014

The bolt escape is silly, but they need to nerf Shadow Cloak. I could be anywhere in 2.5 seconds.

Elder_Thorn · May 2014

bg22 wrote: »

LITERALLY all bolt escape does is rob the better player of AP once the sorcerer realizes he's certainly lost.

the same is true when i play a sorc against people using dragon blood, templar skills and / or are wearing Song of Lamae Stuff.
LITERALLY all those skills and that armor do is rob my AP, once i allmost killed them

hk11 · May 2014

bg22 wrote: »

If it existed in rl, a movie, a game, regardless IMO magic is girly. I'm not flaming anyone who uses it, I'm just saying that's my take on it. But maybe that has something to do with why I joined infantry in the USMC, anything but front line to me is not my style.

Anyway, go cast your spells. Lol

I'm right there with you. I like heavy armor and a shield, and crushing peoples ocular sockets.

I'm an advocate for Bolt Escape just because so many people want to get it nerfed.

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO · May 2014

dear zenimax, please transform all "nurv tha shiat out of bolt escape" posters temporary (24-48 hours) into a sorc....

and only transform them back after they cried you a river to do so

true2moon_ESO · May 2014

Glurin wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kfzJ1lNlU4

this video is garbage, you are not going to catch a sorc who wants to run away.

you might catch one 1/10th of the time, if you are lucky or have friends around.

its a stupid skill for PvP, you cant have a PvP game and let a class exit combat so easy, which is why 80% of the classes you see now are sorcs.

its garbage design and it just leads to noob play. you get less pvp, and it is just another nail in this games coffin.

Froggmann5 · May 2014

"ALL OTHER CLASSES EXCEPT SORCERER SHOULD HAVE A MEANS OF ESCAPE"

Yea. You do realize that if you take this ability and nerf it like this, us sorcs will have no chance of escape at all.

What If I get surprise attacked? Just because i'm not in combat that I didn't WANT to get into, why should I be punished?

jelliedsoup · May 2014

Oh you think cripple or shadow cloak compares with escape bolt? try it and see how you go when 2 or more are after you.

bg22 · May 2014

Froggmann5 wrote: »

"ALL OTHER CLASSES EXCEPT SORCERER SHOULD HAVE A MEANS OF ESCAPE"

Yea. You do realize that if you take this ability and nerf it like this, us sorcs will have no chance of escape at all.

What If I get surprise attacked? Just because i'm not in combat that I didn't WANT to get into, why should I be punished?

What are you talking about?

Literally nobody in this thread has said what you "quoted".

I never understood ppl like you who come into a thread and start blindly swinging without even reading a single post.

Thanks for your valid contribution. Move along now.

BrassRazoo · May 2014

Ever so unbalanced?
You mean you are complaining about it being unbalanced in PvP?
Oh ok ... who gives a ***.

monkeymystic · May 2014

They should give escape bolt a debuff so its not "spammable" and still as efficient like it is now.
But they should not nerf it too hard.

bg22 · May 2014

@monkeymystic‌
That's why I recommended increasing the magicka cost by 1.5x when the spell is cast within 5 seconds of itself.

This would allow them to use it 2-3 times and possibly a 4th if they use a magicka potion at the right moment.

Darrett · May 2014

Why not treat it somewhat like Wayshrine use? First cast within a short period costs the normal amount, second cast is 1.5x current cost, third cast triple current cost, fourth and onwards quadruple current cost....

So spamming it multiple times is much more difficult, but one or two uses isn't unreasonable.

bg22 · May 2014

@Darrett‌
Thats what I said. lol But I think that would be a very viable solution. The skill itself isn't being nerfed, only the ability to abuse it.

So it would look like this when you use it within 5 seconds of itself
1st use normal cost, 2nd use cost is original cost x1.5, 3rd use cost is (2nd use cost)x1.5, etc

So, say it cost 400magicka
1st use:::::2nd use:::::3rd use
::400::::::::::600::::::::::900

If that proves to be too steep of a cost increase, maybe x1.25 per consecutive cast
1st use:::::2nd use::::: 3rd use:::::4th use
::400:::::::::500::::::::::::625::::::::::780

That would allow those who use it for combat movement (hitting it every 6-8 seconds to kite) still remain uneffected, and for those who want to escape still be able to easily use it 3 times consecutively.

Morbus2 · May 2014

bg22 wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Looks like someone is peeved because they can't kill sorcs as much as they claim to be able to!

I'll also screenshot every sorc I kill tn after work, just for you. And if they lay around long enough, with /shovel.

To be honest, I just hate the class.

Nothing about the class is OP, I'm just biased against it.

Grab two axes and get in the action. That's how I see it.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

His own words folks. This guy is nothing more than a forum troll with nothing better to do.

Bolt Escape is fine.

Don't feed the troll.

Darrett · May 2014

All it would be is a stackable self debuff that increases the cost of that skill only.8 second duration or so.

I'd probably keep the first and second cast cheaper to allow for hit and run tactics.

bg22 · May 2014

Morbus2 wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Looks like someone is peeved because they can't kill sorcs as much as they claim to be able to!

I'll also screenshot every sorc I kill tn after work, just for you. And if they lay around long enough, with /shovel.

To be honest, I just hate the class.

Nothing about the class is OP, I'm just biased against it.

Grab two axes and get in the action. That's how I see it.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

His own words folks. This guy is nothing more than a forum troll with nothing better to do.

Bolt Escape is fine.

Don't feed the troll.

I'm not trolling. "OP" is a term loosely used here in ESO.
BE is not OP in a sense that you can kill anyone with it easily w/ minimal effort... But it is OP in the fact that it's a exit from combat that isn't in your favor, more easily by an exponential number compared to any other class.

The solution in which I posted a few posts above ^ seem very reasonable to me.

It's a problem that needs fixed. I have several friends that have literally stopped PvP'ing simply because they're sick of the abuse of this skill. There's no other skill in this game that ppl complain about, and become frustrated w/ more so than BE. There shouldn't be a skill in this game that makes players physically get angry... So if they fixed this in a manner similar to which I described, it would be darn close to fair in all aspects. Sorcs still have an escape, but it's not nearly as "sure thing" as it is now, and non-sorcs wont be nearly as aggravated w/ it.

Elder_Thorn · May 2014

bg22 wrote: »

Morbus2 wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Looks like someone is peeved because they can't kill sorcs as much as they claim to be able to!

I'll also screenshot every sorc I kill tn after work, just for you. And if they lay around long enough, with /shovel.

To be honest, I just hate the class.

Nothing about the class is OP, I'm just biased against it.

Grab two axes and get in the action. That's how I see it.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

His own words folks. This guy is nothing more than a forum troll with nothing better to do.

Bolt Escape is fine.

Don't feed the troll.

I'm not trolling. "OP" is a term loosely used here in ESO.
BE is not OP in a sense that you can kill anyone with it easily w/ minimal effort... But it is OP in the fact that it's a exit from combat that isn't in your favor, more easily by an exponential number compared to any other class.

i play sorc and i think Green Dragon Blood is OP, because it takes away my kill and gives he DK Hitpoints during a combat that is not going in his favor.

See what i did there?

bg22 · May 2014

Elder_Thorn wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Morbus2 wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Looks like someone is peeved because they can't kill sorcs as much as they claim to be able to!

I'll also screenshot every sorc I kill tn after work, just for you. And if they lay around long enough, with /shovel.

To be honest, I just hate the class.

Nothing about the class is OP, I'm just biased against it.

Grab two axes and get in the action. That's how I see it.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

His own words folks. This guy is nothing more than a forum troll with nothing better to do.

Bolt Escape is fine.

Don't feed the troll.

I'm not trolling. "OP" is a term loosely used here in ESO.
BE is not OP in a sense that you can kill anyone with it easily w/ minimal effort... But it is OP in the fact that it's a exit from combat that isn't in your favor, more easily by an exponential number compared to any other class.

i play sorc and i think Green Dragon Blood is OP, because it takes away my kill and gives he DK Hitpoints during a combat that is not going in his favor.

See what i did there?

It's not even comparable... I certainly do not play DK, but Green Dragon Blood doesn't rob players of AP or earned victories. At all. They don't get a "get out of combat" free card, as they still have to stay and finish the fight. I've never heard ppl say "I'm literally done w/ PvP until they fix this ridiculous Green Dragon Blood" as I have heard them say that about blink...

So no, I don't see what you did there.

Elder_Thorn · June 2014

bg22 wrote: »

Elder_Thorn wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Morbus2 wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Looks like someone is peeved because they can't kill sorcs as much as they claim to be able to!

I'll also screenshot every sorc I kill tn after work, just for you. And if they lay around long enough, with /shovel.

To be honest, I just hate the class.

Nothing about the class is OP, I'm just biased against it.

Grab two axes and get in the action. That's how I see it.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

His own words folks. This guy is nothing more than a forum troll with nothing better to do.

Bolt Escape is fine.

Don't feed the troll.

I'm not trolling. "OP" is a term loosely used here in ESO.
BE is not OP in a sense that you can kill anyone with it easily w/ minimal effort... But it is OP in the fact that it's a exit from combat that isn't in your favor, more easily by an exponential number compared to any other class.

i play sorc and i think Green Dragon Blood is OP, because it takes away my kill and gives he DK Hitpoints during a combat that is not going in his favor.

See what i did there?

It's not even comparable... I certainly do not play DK, but Green Dragon Blood doesn't rob players of AP or earned victories. At all. They don't get a "get out of combat" free card, as they still have to stay and finish the fight. I've never heard ppl say "I'm literally done w/ PvP until they fix this ridiculous Green Dragon Blood" as I have heard them say that about blink...

So no, I don't see what you did there.

well. think of this: A Sorc and a DK fight 1on1. both are down to, lets say 25%. Sorc might think about casting the finisher now. DK spams Green Dragon Blood, is allmost back to full HP, Sorc can't heal up that fast, so Sorc actually HAS to blink out, because he would fight with 25% HP against ca. 80% DK.
So what did Green Dragon Blood do? It robbed the sorc of some AP, because he didn't get a kill.

Well ok, you might say, it wasn't robbery, because it wasn't a gank and with both down to 25% it's not a sure victory, but the same scenario could happen with a mage at 50% and the DK at 15%

bg22 · June 2014

Elder_Thorn wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Elder_Thorn wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Morbus2 wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Looks like someone is peeved because they can't kill sorcs as much as they claim to be able to!

I'll also screenshot every sorc I kill tn after work, just for you. And if they lay around long enough, with /shovel.

To be honest, I just hate the class.

Nothing about the class is OP, I'm just biased against it.

Grab two axes and get in the action. That's how I see it.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

His own words folks. This guy is nothing more than a forum troll with nothing better to do.

Bolt Escape is fine.

Don't feed the troll.

I'm not trolling. "OP" is a term loosely used here in ESO.
BE is not OP in a sense that you can kill anyone with it easily w/ minimal effort... But it is OP in the fact that it's a exit from combat that isn't in your favor, more easily by an exponential number compared to any other class.

i play sorc and i think Green Dragon Blood is OP, because it takes away my kill and gives he DK Hitpoints during a combat that is not going in his favor.

See what i did there?

It's not even comparable... I certainly do not play DK, but Green Dragon Blood doesn't rob players of AP or earned victories. At all. They don't get a "get out of combat" free card, as they still have to stay and finish the fight. I've never heard ppl say "I'm literally done w/ PvP until they fix this ridiculous Green Dragon Blood" as I have heard them say that about blink...

So no, I don't see what you did there.

well. think of this: A Sorc and a DK fight 1on1. both are down to, lets say 25%. Sorc might think about casting the finisher now. DK spams Green Dragon Blood, is allmost back to full HP, Sorc can't heal up that fast, so Sorc actually HAS to blink out, because he would fight with 25% HP against ca. 80% DK.
So what did Green Dragon Blood do? It robbed the sorc of some AP, because he didn't get a kill.

Well ok, you might say, it wasn't robbery, because it wasn't a gank and with both down to 25% it's not a sure victory, but the same scenario could happen with a mage at 50% and the DK at 15%

Almost every fight w/ a DK they use GDB, and you know what happens? Ya bust them back down again and again until they're outta magicka for it. The 2 skills are not comparable by any measure. Not even "almost".