You Broke Templars!

Phantorang

Nidwin wrote: »

The issue with BJ is it's all or nothing. Kill before getting killed and with this buggy nerf I can understand the issues BJ's Templars are having.

I stepped away from it as I didn't enjoy it's game play and found it useless against Elites and Boss fights.

I'm vet1 and still in Coldharbour so I've not experiened the Vet+ stuff yet. But I'm starting to worry as if BJ is the only way to go and failing in vet content. Because of the more hardcore PVEers are having a hard time I fear that's going to be hell for me as casual PVEer there. I can always stay in Cyrodiil and heal but at some point I'll have to PVE for coinage, mats and equipment upgrades.

The issue is ZoS decided to nerf the best DPS ability the Templar got, and make a bad DPS class even worse.

The issue isnt that you cant do questing as a Templar Veteran, because you can. The issue is first and foremost a balancing issue, where the DK and Sorc got abilities so strong they potentially can take 20+ vet mobs solo, and be at 100% health after killing them all.

Templar aint even within 20% of that performance, and while Templar is far behind in DPS, they nerf Templar even more.

pecheckler

i got confirmation from customer support that the jabs 1.2 second cooldown will be reverted to 0.5 seconds, but instead replaced with a "slight" magicka cost increase.

gotgk

Bhakura wrote: »

Seems to me you suffered the same faith as bashers, leveled the entire game depending on an overpowered, dare i say it, broken skill and now find yourself in a difficult area with a skill that got normalised and all you know is how to use that one skill that isnt broken anymore, never learned to fight, just spam 1 button.

yes i know its not nice of me to put it this way, doesnt make it less true.

Riiiiight, and plopping a Volcanic Rune down every 3 Impulses isn't OP. They might yell, 'Spread out!' but they ain't goin anywhere! Since they turned my Templar's jabs into a self stun, I started playing with fire. Now I solo public dungeon bosses.

The grass really is greener on the other side I guess, doesn't make it any less toxic.

gotgk

jircris11 wrote: »

pecheckler wrote: »

Templars are *** worthless now after the bash nerf and biting jabs being broke. I'd switch to healer again but i'm imperial so *** that. I am not willing to reroll so I'll probably just quit.

Then jsut quit and be done with it, If you quit due to a nerf it shows that you are lacking the understanding of your class. My friend is a V12 templar and is having no issues at all. He kills things slower now but does not mind.

I'm real happy for your friend who went from mediocre to poor dps and 'does not mind'. He must be a really swell pal.

However, telling the people who are quitting a broken game that 'you just don't understaaaaand' reeks of immaturity and angst.

Believe me when I tell you, we understand.

gotgk

DeadByNow wrote: »

I have totally dropped the tank spec and went to a light armor mage destro staff to level. Heavy armor and fighting is dead with the templar.

Same here, playing out what's left of my sub in LA with destro/resto. People act like jabs was OP, but oddly enough, I wasn't soloing VR7-10 public dungeon bosses with jabs, but now that I'm playing with fire...

Sakiri

*waves*

Templar here.

Just did Will of the Council at 35 and didn't use puncturing strikes once.

Class isn't completely broken.

Have a nice day.

captain_awesome

I have a V12 Templar and a V5 Nightblade.

Templar IS broken when all that works is Resto/Destro staff with light armour.

That's what most Templar players are using now. In fact that's what most players are using right now LOL!

Sword and board? NO!
2H? NO!
Bow? NO!
Dual wield? HELL NO!

So yeah. Templar is really broken, the only thing propping it up are the heals, volcanic rune and impulse. I'd argue it's even worse off than the Nightblade, at least the NB can stealth through the dungeons, collect the shards and kill the boss.

jircris11

gotgk wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

pecheckler wrote: »

Templars are *** worthless now after the bash nerf and biting jabs being broke. I'd switch to healer again but i'm imperial so *** that. I am not willing to reroll so I'll probably just quit.

Then jsut quit and be done with it, If you quit due to a nerf it shows that you are lacking the understanding of your class. My friend is a V12 templar and is having no issues at all. He kills things slower now but does not mind.

I'm real happy for your friend who went from mediocre to poor dps and 'does not mind'. He must be a really swell pal.

However, telling the people who are quitting a broken game that 'you just don't understaaaaand' reeks of immaturity and angst.

Believe me when I tell you, we understand.

Ah i was waiting for some one to post, First of one of my vet characters is a templar, i have no issue Soloing it takes longer and well in the end it will be fixed once more. Second, you claim i don't understand, i do but i do not let the fact that it was nerfed bother me. I am use to playing the class that gets nerfed. SB was stupid and i'm glad they got rid of it, as far as BJ i can see why they need it to be fixed. I feel the difference when i fight. But unlike you i'm not going to sit here and insult others when its their own lack of understanding that is the cause of their distaste for the game or class.

Queripel

vR2 2hand/heavy armor Templar here. Game stopped being fun and became a chore at vR2.

My stamina based build just hit a wall. It was great from 1 to 50. Why did the gameplay have to change so much for the vet levels with regard to using weapon/stamina based skills?

They need to fix the imbalance between mana and stamina skills, the imbalance between light vs med/heavy armor. I enjoyed leveling 1 to 50, but not so much that I'd want to redo it all so soon to reroll another class that isn't as broken as Templars are.

I like playing melee weapon based characters. I can't do that in this game.

captain_awesome

Queripel wrote: »

I like playing melee weapon based characters. I can't do that in this game.

You can't do it on Templar, I tried every melee weapon on my V12 Templar and you just can't do it. I had to switch back to light armour and staves. I also dropped BJ as it's 1.2s "pause" at the end just pissed me off.

IMHO balance is a mess right now. 2 classes are strong, 2 are weak. And the optimal builds for all classes is light armour and staves... If you're not a tank you have impulse and volcanic rune on your bar with 1 or maybe at a pinch 2 class specific skills. It's boring.

That's pretty poor as far as I'm concerned.

jircris11

captain_awesome wrote: »

Queripel wrote: »

I like playing melee weapon based characters. I can't do that in this game.

You can't do it on Templar, I tried every melee weapon on my V12 Templar and you just can't do it. I had to switch back to light armour and staves. I also dropped BJ as it's 1.2s "pause" at the end just pissed me off.

IMHO balance is a mess right now. 2 classes are strong, 2 are weak. And the optimal builds for all classes is light armour and staves...

That's pretty poor as far as I'm concerned.

i noticed that, i am seeing more and more robes and staves selling on my guild store. I am sticking with melee and bow but..yea i can see the difference Hopefully one day they will BUFF the melee instead of nerfing staves lol.

Nox_Aeterna

All i care is the counter , 8 days and going down.

That "soon" patch is sure taking is time , but my deadline is not getting any further down the road :P.

Phantorang

Sorcs and DKs tells us to "Learn to play"... They dont mention a word about being able to solo 12 man dungeons with their "balanced and working classes".

"Learn to play your class", well please demonstrate how to solo craglorn 12 man dungeon with a Templar or NB!

Nah, much easier just to say it, just as if you know how to play your class (Sorc/DK) because you can solo 12 man dungeons, not because your class is insanely ÜBER POWERED?!


EITHER, buff Templars and NBs up so that we too can solo craglorn 12 man dungeon, or nerf Sorc and DKs so hard that you actually have to make an effort to fight 3+ mobs.

Elsterchen

Hi there,
my Templar Redguard (currently at lvl 35) with aedric spear skills (only ! - no healing skill no funny magic stuff - just pure aedric light!), 1H-and-shield (main) and bow (second) and medium armor does not have any problems at all. Biting jabs is working as intended (no stun) and so are all other skills. Sure, my templar takes her time to grind down mobs ... but with a tank-(like)-build and dealing mostly physical damage that was expected (at least for me...). Still doing fine with mobs up to 3 ... and I can take up PVE content 7-8 levels above mine (just did half of Bangkorai because the doomcrag was bugged and I got tired of killing Montclair with that **** vamp not showing up afterwards- I would have loved to kill both, if that was an option). Sure, the few skills I use are morphed, but that can't be the reason that my char doesn't get stunned when apparently many others do ?!
Any suggestions why this is so?

... and to all of those having trouble... take second and pray to the great Akatosh and HE will guide you and protect you . Don't believe it? Just try!

Zaxq

Elsterchen wrote: »

Hi there,
my Templar Redguard (currently at lvl 35) with aedric spear skills (only ! - no healing skill no funny magic stuff - just pure aedric light!), 1H-and-shield (main) and bow (second) and medium armor does not have any problems at all. Biting jabs is working as intended (no stun) and so are all other skills. Sure, my templar takes her time to grind down mobs ... but with a tank-(like)-build and dealing mostly physical damage that was expected (at least for me...). Still doing fine with mobs up to 3 ... and I can take up PVE content 7-8 levels above mine (just did half of Bangkorai because the doomcrag was bugged and I got tired of killing Montclair with that **** vamp not showing up afterwards- I would have loved to kill both, if that was an option). Sure, the few skills I use are morphed, but that can't be the reason that my char doesn't get stunned when apparently many others do ?!
Any suggestions why this is so?

... and to all of those having trouble... take second and pray to the great Akatosh and HE will guide you and protect you . Don't believe it? Just try!

1-50 is actually extremely easy with Templar. The fact you're not having any problems is true of 99% of players across ALL classes.

(Templar is probably the easiest class to level with 1-50 imo. And yes, I have a vet 8 Templar/ vet 10 NB).

The problem youre going to have is once you hit Vet levels. You'll still be fine levelling in any spec, however stamina based specs are 1/10 of the viability of any other spec.

And while you take 20s to kill a pack of 3 mobs, a DK/Sorc will have killed about 20 mobs in the same time frame.

Oh, and if you dont have a heal spec then dont expect to get invited to any end-game or vet dungeons.

pecheckler

It looks like the DK and Sorc playerbase is starting to sympathize with the templar and nightblade's plight. Instead of "LFM craglorn DK and Sorc only", we not get "LFM craglorn. Templar & NB damage dealers need not apply (sorry)."

BrassRazoo

Try using another skill.

silent88b14_ESO

Oh... there is a weeping skill line?

DeadByNow

VR12 now. I can just assist guild mates until they fix the skill line.

Cheatingdeath23

I'm Templar in Heavy Armor (not great) and Sword and Shield. I haven't put a single skill point into the Aedric Spear, so this doesn't really affect me.

For the most part I enjoy being Templar but have kept myself from trying any other classes because I know it will be frustrating to go back. I'm also level 39 so I haven't hit the VR wall that some talk about.

Hoping that my Mages Guild/Silver Shards/Sword and Shield skills (mixed with Dawn's Wrath fireball, backlash and ultimate and the Breath of Life and Repentance) is enough to get me by. For the most part I use non-Templar skills except for the fireball and breath of life, so maybe I won't notice.

Jimm_ay

I can attest - 1-50 fine that first day in VR1 land...you are like ..ummm..what?> Now I am at vr3 almost 4 and I just cannot solo a solo dungeon, I sneak more now than ever..and just pray for someone else doing the same mission as me. Forget it if I get a solo mish that you have to finish yourself. Want to see why?

This is a two mob in Auridon....and as far as blocking..I didn't even see the healwave coming..it just get nuked. Everytime. I can't finsih the mish since they are blocking the door I need to get in. If I could kill one I could maybe kill the other if that 1800 nuke was not coming in with no warning....this is the third mission I just cannot do.

Hakurei

heat waves should be noticeable before it is casted i thought.. and otherwise stay on the move/run in circle around em.

jircris11

finding a party on my DK takes 3 -5 mins..finding one on my NB..well good luck with that >>. I love my NB but had to make a DK just so i could join people in the group content...I also got a templar who im lvling (DK v12/NB V5 and temp V3)

hamon

Sakiri wrote: »

*waves*

Templar here.

Just did Will of the Council at 35 and didn't use puncturing strikes once.

Class isn't completely broken.

Have a nice day.

god dont comment untill vet mode about templars for gods sake. at lvl 35 i was using a bow and all sorts of stuff on my templar. It was all easy.. but vet mode is utterly diffrent.

try melee when you reach vet mode then tell us its all fine. otherwise let those who played the class a bit more talk.

Jimm_ay

Hakurei wrote: »

heat waves should be noticeable before it is casted i thought.. and otherwise stay on the move/run in circle around em.

Problem with that is - the other three mobs nearby. If I get to active I agro them and DOOOOOOOOM. I had to laugh. I tired one last time so I picked the one who was using heatwave and Crushing shocked her to the floor..I head "CIRCLE ROUND.." and then BOOM dead again.