You Broke Templars!

Napkins · May 2014

Just because you're class sucks/broken, doesn't make other classes overpowered.

Drakoleon · May 2014

Napkins wrote: »

Just because you're class sucks/broken, doesn't make other classes overpowered.

Of course they are! Since i cant play my s/s templar any more i play some other lower level characters like mage & dragonknight and am really surpriced they are easy mode killers
Even before this rediculous patch my s/s templar was doing half of the damage others do now So wtf are you talking about? Why dont you try yourself before you spam BS in forums

Elgarr · May 2014

Rolf all the clueless nubs posting comments about PS being op and needed to be nerfed, yet zeni changing again after seeing how bad it is.
Always a small % of trolls who have no idea! problem isn't PS imo, it's trying trying to cast a heal afterwards, the delay is near 1.5secomds,(play on EU also with the delay) yeh great one.
So please in future, don't post, just go find a bridge to crawl back under.
Oh and to the fanboi, lol there were more in SWTOR, they couldn't stop the inevitable happening, so be careful trying to constantly defend bad design.

Cogo · May 2014

Regarding templars right now, please read this post by a veteran level templar.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/102644/veteran-ranks-and-templars#latest

Cogo · May 2014

krapmyself wrote: »

Ah, but they took away DK bash exploit, but DK still faceroll everything. Templars are garbage now, since they took away the only ability that made them able to solo or do anything, really, by themselves.

As a Templar who used many skill combos that didn't involve Biting jabs, I will tell you that having several stacks of filled soul gems was the only way I got anything done.

So far, if you're a player who didn't roll a sorc or DK, you've lost before you've began.

Lol, DKs steamroll everything? That really depends on their build, skills and who plays it.

I am built tank and since I heard that shield bash was OP, I stoped using it unless I was interupting/stunning the enemy as the bash is inteded to, works quite well now also.

I picked up a bow as second weapon, because of my build, I am overflowing in stamina (so I can black when tanking, charge and stun/taunt)

With the bow, I noticed that I can run, draw back the bow, aim, the IF I hit the target, I can solo/quest.

Sure, take muuuuch longer but hey, I am a heavy tank, build to take damage, self heals and the ae root. I am not suppose to do good damage.

I like it. You say DKs are OP, what do you base this on? (I havnt a single damage DK skill other then my taunt.)

Darrett · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

Regarding templars right now, please read this post by a veteran level templar.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/102644/veteran-ranks-and-templars#latest

Go ahead and reread. Multiple bugs contributing to that situation; big HP increase for some reason after the patch, and Red Diamond procs giving over 1000 hp in healing passively. That alone makes me very skeptical.

The fact is that having Biting Jabs self-stun for 1.2 seconds+ pointed out the inherent weaknesses in the class. We lack efficient damage skills and continue to have weak resource management compared to other classes. Couple that with our lack of CC, and there are big imbalances to work out.

Elgarr · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

Regarding templars right now, please read this post by a veteran level templar.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/102644/veteran-ranks-and-templars#latest

All I read was someone using a bugged imperial racial having an easier time of it, lol and a veteran player?

Lol vr3 you go pro, you really know your stuff.

You heal while you fight using your racial, rest of us who ain't imperial, have to wait over 1.5 seconds after Biting jabs is finished to be able to cast a heal.

Sorry, but please, pretty please.

Try it when you aren't using imperial racial and also try it in higher level VR zones.

darthbelanb14_ESO · May 2014

Never used biting jab, I prefer Aedric Spear, that knockback is amazing.

tplink3r1 · May 2014

darthbelanb14_ESO wrote: »

Never used biting jab, I prefer Aedric Spear, that knockback is amazing.

noob or just trolling?

Bloodfang · May 2014

Elgarr wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

Regarding templars right now, please read this post by a veteran level templar.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/102644/veteran-ranks-and-templars#latest

All I read was someone using a bugged imperial racial having an easier time of it, lol and a veteran player?

Lol vr3 you go pro, you really know your stuff.

You heal while you fight using your racial, rest of us who ain't imperial, have to wait over 1.5 seconds after Biting jabs is finished to be able to cast a heal.

Sorry, but please, pretty please.

Try it when you aren't using imperial racial and also try it in higher level VR zones.

Why didn't you respond on my topic, instead of bashing me here?

Also imperial passive is not bugged, the heals are completely working as designed, if they are to much Overpowered then that is another thing.

However if you'd check my recount stats you would also notice that 3 veteran mobs are managing to deal total of 1000 damage in the whole fight. Now if you use your brain you will discover, that fighting with 3 veteran mobs at once can be achieved with ease, even without the imperial passive!

I was testing, and putting results as fast as I could, I wasn't even using my own heals, nor CC. I could bet on my head that it's for sure not that easy to go out of a fight with 3 veteran mobs (equal level), without CCing them or buffing yourself, with only 1000 damage on your head.

Fyi VR1-10 isn't even that much of a difficulty increase, the only noticeable change is when you put normal content beside the veteran content. And please, pretty please do yourself a favor and do something by yourself for once in your life, instead of bashing others for trying to help.

Elgarr · May 2014

Despair9 wrote: »

Elgarr wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

Regarding templars right now, please read this post by a veteran level templar.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/102644/veteran-ranks-and-templars#latest

All I read was someone using a bugged imperial racial having an easier time of it, lol and a veteran player?

Lol vr3 you go pro, you really know your stuff.

You heal while you fight using your racial, rest of us who ain't imperial, have to wait over 1.5 seconds after Biting jabs is finished to be able to cast a heal.

Sorry, but please, pretty please.

Try it when you aren't using imperial racial and also try it in higher level VR zones.

Why didn't you respond on my topic, instead of bashing me here?

Because why did you feel you had to make a new post, rather than posting here?
Sorry, you dealing with a totally different situation to that which most of us Templars dont have as we didn't roll imperial, the reason why we didn't?
Apart from having imperial edition (like you) and can use any race in any faction, it was because rolling Breton and the reduction to cost in magicka was for a lot a far far better choice to playing the meta game.

Templars are and have been stated as bugged when it comes to magicka use and there abilites, something zos stated in beta, and after launch and said they would fix (they haven't yet, or even posted what they are going to do, something then by increasing the cost of biting jabs, actually goes against what they said and fixing our resource management)

So when you get a templar who is soloing, Biting jabs is his/hers bread and butter, next is a heal (or a resto staff ability like healing ward)
Try using Biting jabs then using either of those, you can't.
Mobs are casting 2 abilities to your one, sorry, but if you think that's ok, then you need to experience that first hand, before making a post that bears no relevance to the problem we suffer from.

Oh and I am testing in vr7 so I know how it feels, that's why I am posting!

It's like someone driving around in a BMW while the rest of us have loads of technical issues in an Audi and you saying there is nothing wrong with cars!!!

Bloodfang · May 2014

Elgarr wrote: »

Despair9 wrote: »

Elgarr wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

Regarding templars right now, please read this post by a veteran level templar.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/102644/veteran-ranks-and-templars#latest

All I read was someone using a bugged imperial racial having an easier time of it, lol and a veteran player?

Lol vr3 you go pro, you really know your stuff.

You heal while you fight using your racial, rest of us who ain't imperial, have to wait over 1.5 seconds after Biting jabs is finished to be able to cast a heal.

Sorry, but please, pretty please.

Try it when you aren't using imperial racial and also try it in higher level VR zones.

Why didn't you respond on my topic, instead of bashing me here?

Because why did you feel you had to make a new post, rather than posting here?
Sorry, you dealing with a totally different situation to that which most of us Templars dont have as we didn't roll imperial, the reason why we didn't?
Apart from having imperial edition (like you) and can use any race in any faction, it was because rolling Breton and the reduction to cost in magicka was for a lot a far far better choice to playing the meta game.

Templars are and have been stated as bugged when it comes to magicka use and there abilites, something zos stated in beta, and after launch and said they would fix (they haven't yet, or even posted what they are going to do)

So when you get a templar who is soloing, Biting jabs is his/hers bread and butter, next is a heal (or a resto staff ability like healing ward)
Try using Biting jabs then using either of those, you can't.
Mobs are casting 2 abilities to your one, sorry, but if you think that's ok, then you need to experience that first hand, before making a post that bears no relevance to the problem we suffer from.

Oh and I am testing in vr7 so I know how it feels, that's why I am posting!

It's like someone driving around in a BMW while the rest of us have loads of technical issues in an Audi and you saying there is nothing wrong with cars!!!

You are not reading my post. I never said it's right the way it is now, sure one could argue that it's just more challenging the way it is now. But I doubt questing was ever designed to be so challenging so many are having great problems with the current state. What I did was just that I proved, that even without the imperial passive, soloing veteran content is doable, hard yes but doable!

Oh and my biting jabs take just as long to cast as yours! The only difference beetwen us is that you can cast more biting jabs, while I'm getting more heals. Mind you but I could survive even without those heals, which my screenshots proved! This was the whole point of making my topic anyway!

Elgarr · May 2014

Despair9 wrote: »

Elgarr wrote: »

Despair9 wrote: »

Elgarr wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

Regarding templars right now, please read this post by a veteran level templar.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/102644/veteran-ranks-and-templars#latest

All I read was someone using a bugged imperial racial having an easier time of it, lol and a veteran player?

Lol vr3 you go pro, you really know your stuff.

You heal while you fight using your racial, rest of us who ain't imperial, have to wait over 1.5 seconds after Biting jabs is finished to be able to cast a heal.

Sorry, but please, pretty please.

Try it when you aren't using imperial racial and also try it in higher level VR zones.

Why didn't you respond on my topic, instead of bashing me here?

Because why did you feel you had to make a new post, rather than posting here?
Sorry, you dealing with a totally different situation to that which most of us Templars dont have as we didn't roll imperial, the reason why we didn't?
Apart from having imperial edition (like you) and can use any race in any faction, it was because rolling Breton and the reduction to cost in magicka was for a lot a far far better choice to playing the meta game.

Templars are and have been stated as bugged when it comes to magicka use and there abilites, something zos stated in beta, and after launch and said they would fix (they haven't yet, or even posted what they are going to do)

So when you get a templar who is soloing, Biting jabs is his/hers bread and butter, next is a heal (or a resto staff ability like healing ward)
Try using Biting jabs then using either of those, you can't.
Mobs are casting 2 abilities to your one, sorry, but if you think that's ok, then you need to experience that first hand, before making a post that bears no relevance to the problem we suffer from.

Oh and I am testing in vr7 so I know how it feels, that's why I am posting!

It's like someone driving around in a BMW while the rest of us have loads of technical issues in an Audi and you saying there is nothing wrong with cars!!!

You are not reading my post. I never said it's right the way it is now, sure one could argue that it's just more challenging the way it is now. But I doubt questing was ever designed to be so challenging so many are having great problems with the current state. What I did was just that I proved, that even without the imperial passive, soloing veteran content is doable, hard yes but doable!

Oh and my biting jabs take just as long to cast as yours! The only difference beetwen us is that you can cast more biting jabs, while I'm getting more heals. Mind you but I could survive even without those heals, which my screenshots proved! This was the whole point of making my topic anyway!

You don't get it, so I won't continue.
The hundreds of people who have complained do.
As long as your happy, that's all that matters, as it's your sub fee you are
Paying, no one else's.
Gl.

CosmicChaos · May 2014

I've never used biting jabs, but my Templar is doing pretty well soloing the VR content in Shadowfen. With the exception of a few enemies I can take on 2 and 3 enemies with little trouble. I'm running......
-Full Light Armor
-15p points magicka, 34 points Health
-Skill Bar Magnum Arrow/Binding Jav/Degeneration/Reflective Light/Breath of Life.
-Soul Shatter for Ultimate.

Bhakura · May 2014

Phantorang wrote: »

Bhakura wrote: »

Seems to me you suffered the same faith as bashers, leveled the entire game depending on an overpowered, dare i say it, broken skill and now find yourself in a difficult area with a skill that got normalised and all you know is how to use that one skill that isnt broken anymore, never learned to fight, just spam 1 button.

yes i know its not nice of me to put it this way, doesnt make it less true.

This coming from a DK? Or even Sorc? What a hypocrit!

Actually its coming from an NB, and you wouldnt believe howmany dks and sorcs are hiding behind me when we bump into eachother in a solo dungeon or something.

Strontium-Dog · May 2014

Already been posted by ZOS that they are going to revert it as it wasnt meant to be like this. Expect some cd on it (which is weird in a game without cooldowns)

hamon · May 2014

Bhakura wrote: »

Seems to me you suffered the same faith as bashers, leveled the entire game depending on an overpowered, dare i say it, broken skill and now find yourself in a difficult area with a skill that got normalised and all you know is how to use that one skill that isnt broken anymore, never learned to fight, just spam 1 button.

yes i know its not nice of me to put it this way, doesnt make it less true.

what makes it untrue is your spouting mince out a hole in your arse.. if jabs was so overpowered where was all the "nerf jabs" threads before this fix?

your just assuming cos they broke it it must have been good therefore it deserved being broken.. yes templars have to spam it lots, not cos its uber.. just cos its the ONLY melee damage we get as a class skill.

hamon · May 2014

patrick.loiselleb16_ESO wrote: »

I wouldn't worry too much about that bhakura dude. He's trolling the boards...either a MAJOR fanboi or a total troll getting away with it because he states that EVERYTHING Zeni does is right. Either way, his posts are wastes of time...all of them.

agree i dont know why they removed some flames and leave bhakura's all he does is troll and gflame on these forums ..

hamon · May 2014

RivenCsky wrote: »

I made the Templar in hopes of playing an off or main tank, or even bow and two hander combination. So as of today in Vet levels the Templar is limited to using staffs and light armor. If I wanted to make a mage class I would have started with a sorc.

Pretty soon this game will be mage on mage battles. All other builds are completely ineffective.

ive seen this coming for weeks now .. and been saying so as well. as more and more weapons and skills become worthless.. its ruining the game for themselves.

Ragekniv · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

Regarding templars right now, please read this post by a veteran level templar.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/102644/veteran-ranks-and-templars#latest

Do NOT bother reading the post looking for objective or relevant feedback if your not of "Imperial" race. It is written by an Imperial Templar benefiting from what appears to be a broken racial "Star of the West" that is allowing him to glide through combat against multiple mobs due to a broken healing mechanic.

Bhakura · May 2014

hamon wrote: »

patrick.loiselleb16_ESO wrote: »

I wouldn't worry too much about that bhakura dude. He's trolling the boards...either a MAJOR fanboi or a total troll getting away with it because he states that EVERYTHING Zeni does is right. Either way, his posts are wastes of time...all of them.

agree i dont know why they removed some flames and leave bhakura's all he does is troll and gflame on these forums ..

Just because my opinions differ from yours doesnt make it trolling. And i hardly ever flame, i might be overzealous sometimes in voicing my opinions, never knew that was a sin.
What you did in that post however, thats flaming.
Quite ironic.

DeadByNow · May 2014

I have totally dropped the tank spec and went to a light armor mage destro staff to level. Heavy armor and fighting is dead with the templar.

Celurian · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

Regarding templars right now, please read this post by a veteran level templar.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/102644/veteran-ranks-and-templars#latest

Great to see there are some Templars who i may be able to learn something about. I guess i just have made Vet 12 by beeing afk.
To advice people some low lvl templar fanboi post... really?

Ah yea.. my NB is lvl 8 atm. he is totally overpowered! !!!1!!!1!!!1!eleven
Nerf needet.

pecheckler · May 2014

Templars are *** worthless now after the bash nerf and biting jabs being broke. I'd switch to healer again but i'm imperial so *** that. I am not willing to reroll so I'll probably just quit.

Bromburak · May 2014

Templar has always been nerfed as well during beta patches. He was a very strong magicka machine. Something i figured back in that time was that the other 3 classes have amazing class skills and giving you a hard time to make a decision for setup your slots. But the Templar class lines were always weird and seems to be something like the experimental rat for Zenimax without a real concept behind. Sure, its a matter of preference but his design was never convincing.

jircris11 · May 2014

pecheckler wrote: »

Templars are *** worthless now after the bash nerf and biting jabs being broke. I'd switch to healer again but i'm imperial so *** that. I am not willing to reroll so I'll probably just quit.

Then jsut quit and be done with it, If you quit due to a nerf it shows that you are lacking the understanding of your class. My friend is a V12 templar and is having no issues at all. He kills things slower now but does not mind.

Dudis · May 2014

I wish they nerfed the damage and/or knockback instead of adding this incredibly annoying cooldown when they've explicitly said they don't want cooldowns.

Using Biting Jabs now just feels clumsy as hell.

jircris11 · May 2014

i think it was not intended as far as cool down, We will see in time.

Nidwin · May 2014

The issue with BJ is it's all or nothing. Kill before getting killed and with this buggy nerf I can understand the issues BJ's Templars are having.

I stepped away from it as I didn't enjoy it's game play and found it useless against Elites and Boss fights.

I'm vet1 and still in Coldharbour so I've not experiened the Vet+ stuff yet. But I'm starting to worry as if BJ is the only way to go and failing in vet content. Because of the more hardcore PVEers are having a hard time I fear that's going to be hell for me as casual PVEer there. I can always stay in Cyrodiil and heal but at some point I'll have to PVE for coinage, mats and equipment upgrades.

Phantorang · May 2014

Bhakura wrote: »

Phantorang wrote: »

Bhakura wrote: »

Seems to me you suffered the same faith as bashers, leveled the entire game depending on an overpowered, dare i say it, broken skill and now find yourself in a difficult area with a skill that got normalised and all you know is how to use that one skill that isnt broken anymore, never learned to fight, just spam 1 button.

yes i know its not nice of me to put it this way, doesnt make it less true.

This coming from a DK? Or even Sorc? What a hypocrit!

Actually its coming from an NB, and you wouldnt believe howmany dks and sorcs are hiding behind me when we bump into eachother in a solo dungeon or something.

Because you are the great person you are? Or because you are NB?